Individual Details
Elisabeth "Rathburn" Rossman
( - Aft 21 Sep 1795)
Were her parents George (Jury) Rossman or Jury Rosman or Johannes Conrad Roschmann or Rathbun??????
See material from Ed Rossman dated 4/20/1997. He thinks she was a Rossman also know as Lizzy. His material establishes her parents.
E-mail from Michael Hurdle states that the "Genealogy of the Olmsted Family in America" by Olmsted & Ward (1912) had Elizabeth Rathburn married to John C. Bresee, not a Rossman. Letter dated 23 July 1990 in Karen McIntyre file states: "John Bresee married Elizabeth Rossman and she died 1832. John then married Celinda Rathbun daughter of Gen S. Rathbun in 1834 in Delaware Gazett". The problem with this idea is that she would have been 18 at the marriage date and he would have been 83. Rathburn's husband was the John C. Bresee born in 1808.
Hand written note from Clarence Brisee indicates that Johannes C. Brissee married Elisabeth Rathbun (not Elisabetha Rossman?).
E-mail from Pat Gilbert dated 12/13/1999: " John C. Brazee married Celinda Rathborn, dau. of Gen. S. Rathborn, 2 Oct 1834 at Maryland (above Oneonta, Ortego Co. ?). From book "Delaware Co., NY Raw Materials from the Past"". This is not the correct John C. Bresee, see John C. Bresee born 9 Sept 1807.
Evangelical Lutheran Church in the town of Summit, NY, 24 APR. 1828 notice of death of Elizabeth Brazie, wife of John Brazie. This may not be related.
1887 See letter dated 23 July 1990 in Karen McIntyre file: "Polly Olmsted's obituary mentions her husband's, John Bresee, parents being John C. & Elizabeth (Rathburn) Bresee".
1793 Johannes Brisee and Elizabeth Rossman christened daughter, Catharine with witnesses Johannes Krum and Catharine Schauerman on 26 Jan 1793 at Dutch Reformed Church of Hillsdale, Columbia Co., NY found on LDS film 1016562 item 4 page 38.
1783 christening of daughter, Lena, 9 Feb 1783 by John and Elisabeth Bresi with Gery and Lena Rosmann as witness per LDS film 1016562 Item 4 page 17 "Records of the Dutch Reformed Ch of Hillsdale, Columbia Co, NY. The witnesses may be Elizabeth's parents.
1775 marriage year is a best guess based on age, family location and date of birth of first child.
1756 computer print out of christenings LDS film 933484 item 6 at the end of the film shows Reformed Ch, Linlithgo, Columbia, NY: Jury Rosman and Helena Lescher had Lisabeth christened 12 Dec 1756. LDS film 17737 transcript of the Records of Linlithgo Reformed Ch (NY) 1722-1867 shows similar data with Johannes Rosman, Jr and Alida Petri as witness. 1756 LDS film 17735 page 79 Jury Rosman and Helena Lescher chr Lisabeth.
1754 See Revo Morrey file: RevoYoung.05; _10.jpg for childern: Catherine, Johannes and Lena; birth year of 1754 for mother, Elizabeth Rosman.
1752 Sharon Reck has Elizabeth b 13 Aug 1752, as dau of Conrad.
1752 birth date of 7 Mar 1752 is from Ancestry.com. Per the "Coens or Kuntz Family" study page 50: Catharine Kuntz, born 6 Feb 1721 and Conrad Roschmann or Rossman of Tarbush near Livingston had a daughter, Elisabetha Rossman, born 13 Aug 1752 who possible married John Gombi.
See material from Ed Rossman dated 4/20/1997. He thinks she was a Rossman also know as Lizzy. His material establishes her parents.
E-mail from Michael Hurdle states that the "Genealogy of the Olmsted Family in America" by Olmsted & Ward (1912) had Elizabeth Rathburn married to John C. Bresee, not a Rossman. Letter dated 23 July 1990 in Karen McIntyre file states: "John Bresee married Elizabeth Rossman and she died 1832. John then married Celinda Rathbun daughter of Gen S. Rathbun in 1834 in Delaware Gazett". The problem with this idea is that she would have been 18 at the marriage date and he would have been 83. Rathburn's husband was the John C. Bresee born in 1808.
Hand written note from Clarence Brisee indicates that Johannes C. Brissee married Elisabeth Rathbun (not Elisabetha Rossman?).
E-mail from Pat Gilbert dated 12/13/1999: " John C. Brazee married Celinda Rathborn, dau. of Gen. S. Rathborn, 2 Oct 1834 at Maryland (above Oneonta, Ortego Co. ?). From book "Delaware Co., NY Raw Materials from the Past"". This is not the correct John C. Bresee, see John C. Bresee born 9 Sept 1807.
Evangelical Lutheran Church in the town of Summit, NY, 24 APR. 1828 notice of death of Elizabeth Brazie, wife of John Brazie. This may not be related.
1887 See letter dated 23 July 1990 in Karen McIntyre file: "Polly Olmsted's obituary mentions her husband's, John Bresee, parents being John C. & Elizabeth (Rathburn) Bresee".
1793 Johannes Brisee and Elizabeth Rossman christened daughter, Catharine with witnesses Johannes Krum and Catharine Schauerman on 26 Jan 1793 at Dutch Reformed Church of Hillsdale, Columbia Co., NY found on LDS film 1016562 item 4 page 38.
1783 christening of daughter, Lena, 9 Feb 1783 by John and Elisabeth Bresi with Gery and Lena Rosmann as witness per LDS film 1016562 Item 4 page 17 "Records of the Dutch Reformed Ch of Hillsdale, Columbia Co, NY. The witnesses may be Elizabeth's parents.
1775 marriage year is a best guess based on age, family location and date of birth of first child.
1756 computer print out of christenings LDS film 933484 item 6 at the end of the film shows Reformed Ch, Linlithgo, Columbia, NY: Jury Rosman and Helena Lescher had Lisabeth christened 12 Dec 1756. LDS film 17737 transcript of the Records of Linlithgo Reformed Ch (NY) 1722-1867 shows similar data with Johannes Rosman, Jr and Alida Petri as witness. 1756 LDS film 17735 page 79 Jury Rosman and Helena Lescher chr Lisabeth.
1754 See Revo Morrey file: RevoYoung.05; _10.jpg for childern: Catherine, Johannes and Lena; birth year of 1754 for mother, Elizabeth Rosman.
1752 Sharon Reck has Elizabeth b 13 Aug 1752, as dau of Conrad.
1752 birth date of 7 Mar 1752 is from Ancestry.com. Per the "Coens or Kuntz Family" study page 50: Catharine Kuntz, born 6 Feb 1721 and Conrad Roschmann or Rossman of Tarbush near Livingston had a daughter, Elisabetha Rossman, born 13 Aug 1752 who possible married John Gombi.
Events
| Christen | 12 Dec 1756 | Linlithgo Reformed Church by Jury Rosman and Helena Lescher, Linlithgo, Livingston, (Columbia), New York, British America |  |  | |
| Marriage | Abt 1775 | John C. "Johannes Bresie" Bresee | | | |
| Fact 1 | 9 Feb 1783 | christening of daughter, Lena, by John and Elisabeth Bresi with Gery and Lena Rosmann as witness - Dutch Reformed Church, Hillsdale, Columbia, New York, United States | | | |
| Fact 2 | 26 Jan 1793 | Dutch Reformed Church, Hillsdale, Columbia, New York, United States | | | |
| Fact 3 | 21 Sep 1795 | christening of son, Johannes - at Dutch Reformed Church of Hillsdale, Hillsdale, Columbia, New York, United States | | | |
| Death | Aft 21 Sep 1795 | | |||
| Census | 1800 | Kortright, Delaware Co., NY | | ||
| Census | 1810 | Marlyand, Otsego Co., NY | | ||
| LDS Family Tree ID | LH61-VGG | ||||
| WikiTree | Rossman-94 |
Families
| Spouse | John C. "Johannes Bresie" Bresee ( - 1834) |
| Child | Christopher I. "C.J. Brazie" Bresee (1776 - ) |
| Child | Jeremiah "Brezee" Bresee (1778 - 1826) |
| Child | Elisabeth Bresee (1780 - 1847) |
| Child | Lena Bresee ( - ) |
| Child | John Bresee ( - ) |
| Child | Hendrick Bresee ( - ) |
| Child | Harmon "Harmanus" Bresee (1788 - 1859) |
| Child | Mark Bresee ( - ) |
| Child | Catharine Bresee (1793 - 1860) |
| Child | Johannes J. Bresee (1795 - 1864) |
| Father | Jury "George" Roschman (1721 - 1783) |
| Mother | Magdalena "Helena Lescher" Loscher ( - 1783) |
| Sibling | Lena "Magdalena" Rossman (1745 - ) |
| Sibling | Sebastian Rossman (1747 - ) |
| Sibling | Johannes Rossman (1749 - ) |
| Sibling | Conrad Rossman (1752 - ) |
| Sibling | Harmannus Rossman (1755 - ) |
Notes
Christen
LDS film 933484 item 6 at the end of the film, which is a computer print out of christening's at the Reformed Ch, Linlithgo, Columbia, NY shows: Jury Rosman and Helena Lescher had Lisabeth christened 12 Dec 1756. LDS film 17737 is a a transcript of the "Records of Linlithgo Reformed Ch (NY) 1722-1867" which shows similar data with Johannes Rosman, Jr and Alida Petri as witness. On LDS film 17735 page 79, also shows Jury Rosman and Helena Lescher christening Lisabeth in 1756."By the way, the introduction of the given name 'Harmon' into the Bresee lines seems to have come from the Rossman line. Harmon's mother was baptized as 'Lisabeth Rosman', baptized 12 Dec 1756, Linlithgo Reformed Church, Livingston, Columbia, NY, # 0506, daughter of Jury Rosman and Helena Lescher. A brother of Elizabeth Rossman was baptized as Harmannus Rosman, baptized 01 Feb 1755, Linlithgo Reformed Church, Livingston, Columbia, NY, # 0430, parents Jurie Rosman and Lena Lesjer. I believe Harmon (Hermanus) Burzee was named for his uncle, Harmannus Rosman, his mother's brother."
Per Bruce Davis on Roots Web re: Jeremiah Bresee, 1776-1826
Columbia, New York, was not created until 4 April 1786.
Marriage
1775 marriage year is a best guess based on age, family location and birth of first child.1783 christening of daughter, Lena, 9 Feb 1783 by John and Elisabeth Bresi with Gery and Lena Rosmann as witness per LDS film 1016562 Item 4 page 17 "Records of the Dutch Reformed Ch of Hillsdale, Columbia Co, NY". The witnesses may be Elizabeth's parents.
1793 Johannes Brisee and Elizabeth Rossman christened daughter, Catharine with witnesses Johannes Krum and Catharine Schauerman on 26 Jan 1793 at Dutch Reformed Church of Hillsdale, Columbia Co., NY found on LDS film 1016562 item 4 page 38.
Fact 1
1783 christening of daughter, Lena, 9 Feb 1783 by John and Elisabeth Bresi with Gery and Lena Rosmann as witness per LDS film 1016562 Item 4 page 17 "Records of the Dutch Reformed Ch of Hillsdale, Columbia Co, NY. The witnesses may be Elizabeth's parents.Fact 2
Johannes Brisee and Elizabeth Rossman christened daughter, Catharine, with witnesses Johannes Krum and Catharine Schauerman1793 Johannes Brisee and Elizabeth Rossman christened daughter, Catharine with witnesses Johannes Krum and Catharine Schauerman on 26 Jan 1793 at Dutch Reformed Church of Hillsdale, Columbia Co., NY found on LDS film 1016562 item 4 page 38.
Fact 3
1795 son Johannes birth of 8 April 1795 and christening of 21 Sept 1795 at Dutch Reformed Church of Hillsdale, Columbia Co., NY, by Johannes Bresee and Elizabeth Rossman from LDS film 1016562 Item #4 page 44 (see file Rosman1016562). Johannes was born in Hillsdale per Revo Morrey file (see file RevoYoung.05_10.jpg).Death
1795 birth of 8 April 1795 and christening of 21 Sept 1795 from LDS film 1016562 Item #4 page 44 as Johannes by Johannes Bresee and Elizabeth Rossman.Census
1800 census show a John C. Brazee in Kortright Town, Delaware County next to Andrew Brazee, his brother. In the home were: one male age 45+ (John C. Brazee who was 49), one male age 16-25 (Christopher I who was 24; Jeremiah age 21 had children by this time and may have been out of the home), two males age 10-15 (Hendrick 14 and Mark 9), two males age 0-9 (John age 4 and Johannes J age 5), one female age 0-9 (Catherine age 7), two females ages 16-25 (Lena age 17 and Elisabeth age 19) and one female age 45+ (wife Elizabeth age 48)Census
1810 census for Marlyand, Otsego Co., NY, shows a J.C. Bresee age 45+ (born before 1765) living with a woman age 45+ (possibly wife Elizabeth born 1852), a male age 10-15 (could be either son John or Johannes), a male age 16-25 (could be either son Mark or Hendrick) and a female age 16-25 (could be daughter Catherine). Also there is a C. Bresee age 26-44 and his family living near by who may be his son Christopher I. Bresee. Sharon Reck's records indicate that John C. Bresee was in Delaware Co. with his brother, Andrew and Andrew's son Michael, in 1810.In March 31, 1817 the town of Davenport, Delaware Co., NY, was created from parts of the older towns of Kortright and Maryland, Otsego Co., NY. Her husband appears in the Davenport census for 1820, therefore she was living most likely in Davenport in the 1810 census. She is not shown in the 1820 census and may have died.
Endnotes
1. Versteeg, Dingman, Records of the Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Linlithgo, NY, 1722-1817, page 79.
2. Henry Z. Jones, The Palatine families of New York : a study of the German immigrants who arrived in colonial New York in 1710, 2 volumes (Universal City, California: LA Family History Center Library (LDS), 1985), Vol. 2 page 802.
3. Arthur C. M. Kelly, Baptism Record, Linlithgo Reformed Church, Livingston, N.Y., 1722-1899 (Rhinebeck, N. Y.: my book, 15 October 1968), page 23 item 506.
4. De Boer, Louis P. & others, Record of the Dutch Reformed Church of Hillsdale, Columbia, NY (also called New Claverack or Krum Ch) 1776-1849, pages 17 & 38.
5. Henry King Olmsted, MD & George Kemp Ward, A.M., Genealogy of the Olmsted Family in Amnerica: Embracing the Descendants James and Richard Olmsted and covering a period of nearly three centuries 1632-1912 (New York: A.T. de la Mare Printing and Publishing Company, LTD., 1912), page 311; my ebook, Google Books, ( : accessed .
6. De Boer, Louis P. & others, Record of the Dutch Reformed Church of Hillsdale, Columbia, NY (also called New Claverack or Krum Ch) 1776-1849, page 17.
7. De Boer, Louis P. & others, Record of the Dutch Reformed Church of Hillsdale, Columbia, NY (also called New Claverack or Krum Ch) 1776-1849, page 38.
8. De Boer, Louis P. & others, Record of the Dutch Reformed Church of Hillsdale, Columbia, NY (also called New Claverack or Krum Ch) 1776-1849, LDS film 1016562 item 4 page 38.