Individual Details
John St. John
(Abt 1450 - 1525)
[[Category:EuroAristo - Profiles with incorrect LNAB]] == Biography == occupation: John, Lord of Fonmon Castle, Glamorgan, Wales == Sources ==
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== Biography ==
occupation: John, Lord of Fonmon Castle, Glamorgan, Wales
== Sources ==
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[[Category: Knights of the Bath]][[Category: Battle of Blackheath]]
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== John Saint John, K.B. ==: Son and heir of his father's first marriage.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestry.net/ Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, pp 533-535, SAINT JOHN #16, #17
'''Vitals'''
: '''Father''': [[St_John-118|John Saint John]], Esq.''Royal Ancestry,'' Vol 1, p 384 (2013) shows John (m Waldegrave) as a Knight (Knight Bachelor) and both his father and grandfather as K.B. (Knights of the Bath). However, in a 2014 Rootsweb Gen-Medieval post ([http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2014-09/1410553573 "New Light..." by Douglas Richardson, September 2014]), Richardson discusses evidence leading him to change John Saint John m Alice Bradshaw from K.B. to Esquire:
:John Saint John, husband of Alice Bradshagh, who died before 9 Feb. 1489/90 and was survived by a wife, Elizabeth, who re-married Richard Newton, was "John Saint John, esquire (not knight)".
: Richardson posted the following as the current entry in his files:
:"I. JOHN SAINT JOHN, Esq., of Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire, Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, Fonmon and Penmark, Glamorgan, Wales, etc., son and heir, born about 1432-7 (aged 40 and more in 1482). He married (1st) ALICE BRADSHAGH (or BRADSCHAGH), daughter of Thomas Bradshagh, of Haigh, Lancashire. They had one son, John, K.B., and five daughters, Anne, Elizabeth (wife of Thomas Kent, Esq.), Eleanor, Margaret (wife of John ap Morgan), and _____ (nun at Shaftesbury). He married (2nd) ELIZABETH MATHEW, daughter of William Mathew Fawr, by Lleucu, daughter of Gruffudd ap Nicholas. They had one son, Maurice. JOHN SAINT JOHN, Esq., was living in 1482 (date of mother's inquisition post mortem), and died before 9 Feb. 1489/90 (date of lawsuit). His widow, Elizabeth, married (2nd) before 9 Feb. 1489/90 (date of lawsuit) (as his 2nd wife) RICHARD NEWTON, Esq., of Wyke juxta Yatton, Aldwick, Ston Easton, Midsomer Norton, North Curry, Thorn Falcon, Ubley, and Walton-in-Gordano, Somerset, South Carleton, Devon, Child Okeford, Dorset, Aust and Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire, etc., son and heir of John Newton, Knt., by Isabel, daughter and co-heiress of Thomas Cheddar, Esq. He was born about 1468 (aged 30 and more in 1498). They had one daughter, Jane (or Jenet) (wife of Thomas Griffin, Knt.). In 1490 Richard and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued her step-son, John Saint John, Knt., in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her reasonable dower in free tenements in Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire and Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. In 1492 Richard and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued Richard Emson and William Risley in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her dower in the third part of the manor of Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. RICHARD NEWTON, Esq., died 26 Sept. 1500. He left a will dated 24 Sept. 1500, proved 3 March 1500/1 (P.C.C. Moone). His widow, Elizabeth, was assigned dower 11 June 1501. In 1516 she presented to the church of Exford, Somerset. In 1518 James Perceval, Esq., bought a quare impedit against Elizabeth, widow of Richard Newton and others regarding the church of Exford, Somerset. Elizabeth died in 1524. She left a will proved August 1524 (P.C.C.). In the period, 1532-38, Henry Capell and Thomas Gryffyn, Knts., and Jane, wife of the latter, sued Richard Bydwell, Gent., and another, executors of Nicholas, brother of Richard Newton, Esq., deceased in Chancery regarding the detention of deeds relating to the manor of Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire and other lands, late of the said Richard Newton, father of the said Jane, and grandfather of the said Sir Henry. In 1553-55 Thomas Gryffyn, of Braybrooke, Northamptonshire, sued Henry Capell and William Dale, of Yatton, Somerset, yeoman, in Chancery regarding the goods of Elizabeth, late the wife of Richard Newton, in her house at Wyke, Somerset."
: '''Mother''': [[Bradshaw-1919|Alice Bradshaugh]]
: '''Wife''': [[ferch_Morgan-5|Sibyl (Margaret)]], daughter of [[ap_Jenkin-12|Morgan ap Jenkin]] and his 2nd wife [[Mathew-15|Margred]], daughter of [[Mathew-22|Dafydd Matthew]], Knt.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestry.net/ Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' Royal Ancestry series, 2nd edition, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011), [https://books.google.com/books?id=8JcbV309c5UC&pg=RA2-PA479 page 479]
: '''Children''': Three sons and five daughters.
: '''Died''': 1524/5. He left a will dated March 22, 1524/5 and proved May 23, 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
== Biography ==
===Birth and Parentage===
John was son and heir of John Saint John by his first wife Alice Bradshagh
===Estimating Dates===
John became Sheriff of Bedfordshire in 1501, a position requiring not only physical vigor but mature judgment, so assuming he was age 30 at the time, his birth year would be 1471.
He was a knight Bachelor in 1497 before the Battle of Black Heath. If he were aged 25 at the time, his birth year would be 1472.
His children are shown to be born beginning in 1480. This would suggest a marriage year of 1479, and if he were 21 at the time, a birth of 1458. An age of 25 at his marriage would place his birth year at 1453.
The birth year currently shown on WikiTree is 1450. While there is no documentation for this year, it is not unreasonable if the children's dates are approximately correct.
===Places===
'''John Saint John''', K.B., held the following lands:
:Bletsoe, Keysoe, Riseley, and Sharnbrook, Bedfordshire,
:Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, :Ashmore, Dorset, Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestory.net Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, p 534 #17 John Saint John
He was Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire (1501-2, 1515-16)
===Titles and Public Service===
Knight Bachelor - 1497 June 17 before the [http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/cornish_rebels_1497.html Battle of Blackheath]. (Name recorded as ''John Seint John'')[https://archive.org/stream/knightsofengland02shawuoft/knightsofengland02shawuoft_djvu.txt Knights of England]
===Marriage to Margred/Sibyl===
John St. John married Margred ferch Morgan Research of Peter Clement Bartrum, [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]: Notes for [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6495/ST.%20JOHN%201_1567.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y St John 1]
The name Sibyl is of Anglo-Norman extraction, while Margred is Welsh. A reasonable surmise would be that her birth name was the Welsh Margred, but when she began to move in English circles, she adopted the name Sibyl.
Sir John married "Sibyl (or Margaret) ferch Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, daughter of Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, Esq., of Langstone, Monmouthshire, by his 2nd wife, Margred, daughter of Dafydd Matthew, Knt."
Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire m. Sibell, daugher of [Rice ap] Morgan ap Jenkyn ap Philippe. Father of Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire. m. Margaret, dau of Sir William Walgrave of Smallbridge (Buers St. Maryes) in com. Suffolk, Knight. Liaison with Anne, dau of Thomas Nevell, of Cotterstock in com. Northampton 2 sonne of William Nevell of Holte in Com. Lester. Frederick Augustus Blayden, Ed. St. John of Bletsoe; The Visitations of Bedfordshire, 1566, 1582, 1634. London, 1884. Pages 52-55https://archive.org/stream/visitationsofbed1921harv#page/n23/mode/2up. Accessed Dec 16, 2015.
Margred ferch Morgan had a sister Elizabeth, born to Morgan's first wife Elsbeth ferch Sir Richard Vaughan. Elizabeth married Thomas ap Lewys (his [[Verch_Lewys-1|sister]] married [[Herbert-201|John ap William Herbert]]). [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5227/Cydifor%20Fawr%2016.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Cydifor Fawr 16] chart posted by [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]
===Death===
Sir John Saint John left a will dated March 22, 1524/5, proved May 23, 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
==Children==
John and Sibyl had three sons, John, Oliver and Alexander, and five daughters, Elizabeth, Alice, Margaret, Sybil, and Katherine.
:Dates and places of birth shown are those shown in WikiTree as of Jan. 10, 2016, and should be presumed to be estimates until verified by documentation. See [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=St_John-158&diff=30941545&oldid=30941003 this page] in the details of edits for [[St_John-158]] to see the unverified information added (but by placement appears below to be supported by Richardson; the footnote citation of Richardson as source is for the children's information prior to the addition of unverified information on January 10, 2016).
#[[St John-186|John St John]], Knt., b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1495, married Margaret Waldegrave#[[St John-417|Oliver St John]], Knt. b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1492, #[[St John-155|Alexander St John ]], Esq., b. Thurley, Bedfordshire 1494, married Jane (or Joan) Dalison (or Dalyson, Dallison), widow of Thomas Leventhorpe, Esq., and daughter of George Dalison, Esq.# [[St John-415|Elizabeth St John]] b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1488, married Sir Thomas Rotheram #[[St John-414|Alice St John]] b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1484, married Sir Henry Parker, 10th Lord Morley#[[St John-110|Margaret St John]] b. Bedfordshire, 1480, married Sir Thomas Gamage of Coity, Glamorgan#[[St John-416|Sybil St John]], b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, 1490, married Sir Robert Kirkham#[[St John-113|Catherine (or Katherine) St John]] b. Bedfordshire 1480, married (1) Sir Griffith ap Rhys (or Ryce), (2) Sir Peter Edgecombe
== Sources ==
See also:
* Shaw, William Arthur & Burtchaell, George Dames, '''[https://archive.org/details/knightsofengland02shawuoft The Knights of England]'''. A complete record from the earliest time to the present day of the knights of all the orders of chivalry in England, Scotland, and Ireland, and of knights bachelors, incorporating a complete list of knights bachelors dubbed in Ireland (1906)
* [http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p509.htm#i15288 Sir John St. John], "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR)
* Weis, Frederick Lewis. ''The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 4th ed.,'' Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1991
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[[Category: Knights bachelor]][[Category: Battle of Blackheath]]
==Biography==
===Birth and Parentage===
John was son and heir of John Saint John, K.B., by his first wife Alice Bradshagh
===Places===
'''John Saint John''', K.B., held the following lands:
:Bletsoe, Keysoe, Riseley, and Sharnbrook, Bedfordshire,
:Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, :Ashmore, Dorset, Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestory.net Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, p 534 #17 John Saint John
He was Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire (1501-2, 1515-16)
===Titles and Public Service===
Knight Bachelor - 1497 June 17 before the [http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/cornish_rebels_1497.html Battle of Blackheath]. (Name recorded as ''John Seint John'')[https://archive.org/stream/knightsofengland02shawuoft/knightsofengland02shawuoft_djvu.txt Knights of England]
===First Marriage to Elsbeth?===
Bartrum appears to record an earlier marriage to an Elsbeth; Richardson does not.
Elizabeth, one of Morgan's daughters, by his first wife Elsbeth f. Sir Richard Vaughan, married Thomas ap Lewys (his [[Verch_Lewys-1|sister]] married [[Herbert-201|John ap William Herbert]]). [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5227/Cydifor%20Fawr%2016.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Cydifor Fawr 16] chart posted by [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]
===Marriage to Sibyl===
He married Margred ferch Morgan Research of Peter Clement Bartrum, [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]: Notes for [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6495/ST.%20JOHN%201_1567.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y St John 1]
Sir John married "Sibyl (or Margaret) ferch Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, daughter of Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, Esq., of Langstone, Monmouthshire, by his 2nd wife, Margred, daughter of Dafydd Matthew, Knt."
Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire m. Sibell, daugher of [Rice ap] Morgan ap Jenkyn ap Philippe. Father of Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire. m. Margaret, dau of Sir William Walgrave of Smallbridge (Buers St. Maryes) in com. Suffolk, Knight. Liaison with Anne, dau of Thomas Nevell, of Cotterstock in com. Northampton 2 sonne of William Nevell of Holte in Com. Lester. Frederick Augustus Blayden, Ed. St. John of Bletsoe; The Visitations of Bedfordshire, 1566, 1582, 1634. London, 1884. Pages 52-55https://archive.org/stream/visitationsofbed1921harv#page/n23/mode/2up. Accessed Dec 16, 2015.
===Death===
Sir John Saint John left a will dated March 22, 1524/5, proved May 23, 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
==Children==
John and Sibyl had three sons, John, Oliver and Alexander, and five daughters, Elizabeth, Alice, Margaret, Sybil, and Katherine.
#[[St John-186|John St John]], Knt., married Margaret Waldegrave
#[[St John-417|Oliver St John]], Knt.#[[St John-155|Alexander St John ]], Esq., married Jane (or Joan) Dalison (or Dalyson, Dallison), widow of Thomas Leventhorpe, Esq., and daughter of George Dalison, Esq.# [[St John-415|Elizabeth St John]] married Sir Thomas Rotheram #[[St John-414|Alice St John]] married Sir Henry Parker, 10th Lord Morley#[[St John-110|Margaret St John]] married Sir Thomas Gamage of Coity, Glamorgan#[[St John-416|Sybil St John]] married Sir Robert Kirkham#[[St John-113|Catherine (or Katherine) St John]] married (1) Sir Griffith ap Rhys (or Ryce), (2) Sir Peter Edgecombe
== Sources ==
See also:
* Shaw, William Arthur & Burtchaell, George Dames, '''[https://archive.org/details/knightsofengland02shawuoft The Knights of England]'''. A complete record from the earliest time to the present day of the knights of all the orders of chivalry in England, Scotland, and Ireland, and of knights bachelors, incorporating a complete list of knights bachelors dubbed in Ireland (1906)
* [http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p509.htm#i15288 Sir John St. John], "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR)
* Weis, Frederick Lewis. ''The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 4th ed.,'' Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1991
[[Category: Knights of the Bath]][[Category: Battle of Blackheath]]
}
== John Saint John, K.B. ==: Son and heir of his father's first marriage.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestry.net/ Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, pp 533-535, SAINT JOHN #16, #17
'''Vitals'''
: '''Father''': [[St_John-118|John Saint John]], Esq.''Royal Ancestry,'' Vol 1, p 384 (2013) shows John (m Waldegrave) as a Knight (Knight Bachelor) and both his father and grandfather as K.B. (Knights of the Bath). However, in a 2014 Rootsweb Gen-Medieval post ([http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2014-09/1410553573 "New Light..." by Douglas Richardson, September 2014]), Richardson discusses evidence leading him to change John Saint John m Alice Bradshaw from K.B. to Esquire:
:John Saint John, husband of Alice Bradshagh, who died before 9 Feb. 1489/90 and was survived by a wife, Elizabeth, who re-married Richard Newton, was "John Saint John, esquire (not knight)".
: Richardson posted the following as the current entry in his files:
:"I. JOHN SAINT JOHN, Esq., of Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire, Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, Fonmon and Penmark, Glamorgan, Wales, etc., son and heir, born about 1432-7 (aged 40 and more in 1482). He married (1st) ALICE BRADSHAGH (or BRADSCHAGH), daughter of Thomas Bradshagh, of Haigh, Lancashire. They had one son, John, K.B., and five daughters, Anne, Elizabeth (wife of Thomas Kent, Esq.), Eleanor, Margaret (wife of John ap Morgan), and _____ (nun at Shaftesbury). He married (2nd) ELIZABETH MATHEW, daughter of William Mathew Fawr, by Lleucu, daughter of Gruffudd ap Nicholas. They had one son, Maurice. JOHN SAINT JOHN, Esq., was living in 1482 (date of mother's inquisition post mortem), and died before 9 Feb. 1489/90 (date of lawsuit). His widow, Elizabeth, married (2nd) before 9 Feb. 1489/90 (date of lawsuit) (as his 2nd wife) RICHARD NEWTON, Esq., of Wyke juxta Yatton, Aldwick, Ston Easton, Midsomer Norton, North Curry, Thorn Falcon, Ubley, and Walton-in-Gordano, Somerset, South Carleton, Devon, Child Okeford, Dorset, Aust and Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire, etc., son and heir of John Newton, Knt., by Isabel, daughter and co-heiress of Thomas Cheddar, Esq. He was born about 1468 (aged 30 and more in 1498). They had one daughter, Jane (or Jenet) (wife of Thomas Griffin, Knt.). In 1490 Richard and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued her step-son, John Saint John, Knt., in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her reasonable dower in free tenements in Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire and Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. In 1492 Richard and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued Richard Emson and William Risley in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her dower in the third part of the manor of Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. RICHARD NEWTON, Esq., died 26 Sept. 1500. He left a will dated 24 Sept. 1500, proved 3 March 1500/1 (P.C.C. Moone). His widow, Elizabeth, was assigned dower 11 June 1501. In 1516 she presented to the church of Exford, Somerset. In 1518 James Perceval, Esq., bought a quare impedit against Elizabeth, widow of Richard Newton and others regarding the church of Exford, Somerset. Elizabeth died in 1524. She left a will proved August 1524 (P.C.C.). In the period, 1532-38, Henry Capell and Thomas Gryffyn, Knts., and Jane, wife of the latter, sued Richard Bydwell, Gent., and another, executors of Nicholas, brother of Richard Newton, Esq., deceased in Chancery regarding the detention of deeds relating to the manor of Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire and other lands, late of the said Richard Newton, father of the said Jane, and grandfather of the said Sir Henry. In 1553-55 Thomas Gryffyn, of Braybrooke, Northamptonshire, sued Henry Capell and William Dale, of Yatton, Somerset, yeoman, in Chancery regarding the goods of Elizabeth, late the wife of Richard Newton, in her house at Wyke, Somerset."
: '''Mother''': [[Bradshaw-1919|Alice Bradshaugh]]
: '''Wife''': [[ferch_Morgan-5|Sibyl (Margaret)]], daughter of [[ap_Jenkin-12|Morgan ap Jenkin]] and his 2nd wife [[Mathew-15|Margred]], daughter of [[Mathew-22|Dafydd Matthew]], Knt.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestry.net/ Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' Royal Ancestry series, 2nd edition, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011), [https://books.google.com/books?id=8JcbV309c5UC&pg=RA2-PA479 page 479]
: '''Children''': Three sons and five daughters.
: '''Died''': 1524/5. He left a will dated March 22, 1524/5 and proved May 23, 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
== Biography ==
===Birth and Parentage===
John was son and heir of John Saint John by his first wife Alice Bradshagh
===Estimating Dates===
John became Sheriff of Bedfordshire in 1501, a position requiring not only physical vigor but mature judgment, so assuming he was age 30 at the time, his birth year would be 1471.
He was a knight Bachelor in 1497 before the Battle of Black Heath. If he were aged 25 at the time, his birth year would be 1472.
His children are shown to be born beginning in 1480. This would suggest a marriage year of 1479, and if he were 21 at the time, a birth of 1458. An age of 25 at his marriage would place his birth year at 1453.
The birth year currently shown on WikiTree is 1450. While there is no documentation for this year, it is not unreasonable if the children's dates are approximately correct.
===Places===
'''John Saint John''', K.B., held the following lands:
:Bletsoe, Keysoe, Riseley, and Sharnbrook, Bedfordshire,
:Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, :Ashmore, Dorset, Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestory.net Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, p 534 #17 John Saint John
He was Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire (1501-2, 1515-16)
===Titles and Public Service===
Knight Bachelor - 1497 June 17 before the [http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/cornish_rebels_1497.html Battle of Blackheath]. (Name recorded as ''John Seint John'')[https://archive.org/stream/knightsofengland02shawuoft/knightsofengland02shawuoft_djvu.txt Knights of England]
===Marriage to Margred/Sibyl===
John St. John married Margred ferch Morgan Research of Peter Clement Bartrum, [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]: Notes for [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6495/ST.%20JOHN%201_1567.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y St John 1]
The name Sibyl is of Anglo-Norman extraction, while Margred is Welsh. A reasonable surmise would be that her birth name was the Welsh Margred, but when she began to move in English circles, she adopted the name Sibyl.
Sir John married "Sibyl (or Margaret) ferch Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, daughter of Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, Esq., of Langstone, Monmouthshire, by his 2nd wife, Margred, daughter of Dafydd Matthew, Knt."
Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire m. Sibell, daugher of [Rice ap] Morgan ap Jenkyn ap Philippe. Father of Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire. m. Margaret, dau of Sir William Walgrave of Smallbridge (Buers St. Maryes) in com. Suffolk, Knight. Liaison with Anne, dau of Thomas Nevell, of Cotterstock in com. Northampton 2 sonne of William Nevell of Holte in Com. Lester. Frederick Augustus Blayden, Ed. St. John of Bletsoe; The Visitations of Bedfordshire, 1566, 1582, 1634. London, 1884. Pages 52-55https://archive.org/stream/visitationsofbed1921harv#page/n23/mode/2up. Accessed Dec 16, 2015.
Margred ferch Morgan had a sister Elizabeth, born to Morgan's first wife Elsbeth ferch Sir Richard Vaughan. Elizabeth married Thomas ap Lewys (his [[Verch_Lewys-1|sister]] married [[Herbert-201|John ap William Herbert]]). [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5227/Cydifor%20Fawr%2016.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Cydifor Fawr 16] chart posted by [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]
===Death===
Sir John Saint John left a will dated March 22, 1524/5, proved May 23, 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
==Children==
John and Sibyl had three sons, John, Oliver and Alexander, and five daughters, Elizabeth, Alice, Margaret, Sybil, and Katherine.
:Dates and places of birth shown are those shown in WikiTree as of Jan. 10, 2016, and should be presumed to be estimates until verified by documentation. See [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=St_John-158&diff=30941545&oldid=30941003 this page] in the details of edits for [[St_John-158]] to see the unverified information added (but by placement appears below to be supported by Richardson; the footnote citation of Richardson as source is for the children's information prior to the addition of unverified information on January 10, 2016).
#[[St John-186|John St John]], Knt., b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1495, married Margaret Waldegrave#[[St John-417|Oliver St John]], Knt. b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1492, #[[St John-155|Alexander St John ]], Esq., b. Thurley, Bedfordshire 1494, married Jane (or Joan) Dalison (or Dalyson, Dallison), widow of Thomas Leventhorpe, Esq., and daughter of George Dalison, Esq.# [[St John-415|Elizabeth St John]] b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1488, married Sir Thomas Rotheram #[[St John-414|Alice St John]] b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1484, married Sir Henry Parker, 10th Lord Morley#[[St John-110|Margaret St John]] b. Bedfordshire, 1480, married Sir Thomas Gamage of Coity, Glamorgan#[[St John-416|Sybil St John]], b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, 1490, married Sir Robert Kirkham#[[St John-113|Catherine (or Katherine) St John]] b. Bedfordshire 1480, married (1) Sir Griffith ap Rhys (or Ryce), (2) Sir Peter Edgecombe
== Sources ==
See also:
* Shaw, William Arthur & Burtchaell, George Dames, '''[https://archive.org/details/knightsofengland02shawuoft The Knights of England]'''. A complete record from the earliest time to the present day of the knights of all the orders of chivalry in England, Scotland, and Ireland, and of knights bachelors, incorporating a complete list of knights bachelors dubbed in Ireland (1906)
* [http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p509.htm#i15288 Sir John St. John], "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR)
* Weis, Frederick Lewis. ''The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 4th ed.,'' Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1991
[[Category: Knights of the Bath]][[Category: Battle of Blackheath]]
}
== John Saint John, K.B. ==: Son and heir of his father's first marriage.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestry.net/ Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, pp 533-535, SAINT JOHN #16, #17
'''Vitals'''
: '''Father''': [[St_John-118|John Saint John]], Esq.''Royal Ancestry,'' Vol 1, p 384 (2013) shows John (m Waldegrave) as a Knight (Knight Bachelor) and both his father and grandfather as K.B. (Knights of the Bath). However, in a 2014 Rootsweb Gen-Medieval post ([http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2014-09/1410553573 "New Light..." by Douglas Richardson, September 2014]), Richardson discusses evidence leading him to change John Saint John m Alice Bradshaw from K.B. to Esquire:
:John Saint John, husband of Alice Bradshagh, who died before 9 Feb. 1489/90 and was survived by a wife, Elizabeth, who re-married Richard Newton, was "John Saint John, esquire (not knight)".
: Richardson posted the following as the current entry in his files:
:"I. JOHN SAINT JOHN, Esq., of Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire, Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, Fonmon and Penmark, Glamorgan, Wales, etc., son and heir, born about 1432-7 (aged 40 and more in 1482). He married (1st) ALICE BRADSHAGH (or BRADSCHAGH), daughter of Thomas Bradshagh, of Haigh, Lancashire. They had one son, John, K.B., and five daughters, Anne, Elizabeth (wife of Thomas Kent, Esq.), Eleanor, Margaret (wife of John ap Morgan), and _____ (nun at Shaftesbury). He married (2nd) ELIZABETH MATHEW, daughter of William Mathew Fawr, by Lleucu, daughter of Gruffudd ap Nicholas. They had one son, Maurice. JOHN SAINT JOHN, Esq., was living in 1482 (date of mother's inquisition post mortem), and died before 9 Feb. 1489/90 (date of lawsuit). His widow, Elizabeth, married (2nd) before 9 Feb. 1489/90 (date of lawsuit) (as his 2nd wife) RICHARD NEWTON, Esq., of Wyke juxta Yatton, Aldwick, Ston Easton, Midsomer Norton, North Curry, Thorn Falcon, Ubley, and Walton-in-Gordano, Somerset, South Carleton, Devon, Child Okeford, Dorset, Aust and Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire, etc., son and heir of John Newton, Knt., by Isabel, daughter and co-heiress of Thomas Cheddar, Esq. He was born about 1468 (aged 30 and more in 1498). They had one daughter, Jane (or Jenet) (wife of Thomas Griffin, Knt.). In 1490 Richard and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued her step-son, John Saint John, Knt., in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her reasonable dower in free tenements in Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire and Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. In 1492 Richard and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued Richard Emson and William Risley in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her dower in the third part of the manor of Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. RICHARD NEWTON, Esq., died 26 Sept. 1500. He left a will dated 24 Sept. 1500, proved 3 March 1500/1 (P.C.C. Moone). His widow, Elizabeth, was assigned dower 11 June 1501. In 1516 she presented to the church of Exford, Somerset. In 1518 James Perceval, Esq., bought a quare impedit against Elizabeth, widow of Richard Newton and others regarding the church of Exford, Somerset. Elizabeth died in 1524. She left a will proved August 1524 (P.C.C.). In the period, 1532-38, Henry Capell and Thomas Gryffyn, Knts., and Jane, wife of the latter, sued Richard Bydwell, Gent., and another, executors of Nicholas, brother of Richard Newton, Esq., deceased in Chancery regarding the detention of deeds relating to the manor of Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire and other lands, late of the said Richard Newton, father of the said Jane, and grandfather of the said Sir Henry. In 1553-55 Thomas Gryffyn, of Braybrooke, Northamptonshire, sued Henry Capell and William Dale, of Yatton, Somerset, yeoman, in Chancery regarding the goods of Elizabeth, late the wife of Richard Newton, in her house at Wyke, Somerset."
: '''Mother''': [[Bradshaw-1919|Alice Bradshaugh]]
: '''Wife''': [[ferch_Morgan-5|Sibyl (Margaret)]], daughter of [[ap_Jenkin-12|Morgan ap Jenkin]] and his 2nd wife [[Mathew-15|Margred]], daughter of [[Mathew-22|Dafydd Matthew]], Knt.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestry.net/ Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' Royal Ancestry series, 2nd edition, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011), [https://books.google.com/books?id=8JcbV309c5UC&pg=RA2-PA479 page 479]
: '''Children''': Three sons and five daughters.
: '''Died''': 1524/5. He left a will dated March 22, 1524/5 and proved May 23, 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
== Biography ==
===Birth and Parentage===
John was son and heir of John Saint John by his first wife Alice Bradshagh
===Estimating Dates===
John became Sheriff of Bedfordshire in 1501, a position requiring not only physical vigor but mature judgment, so assuming he was age 30 at the time, his birth year would be 1471.
He was a knight Bachelor in 1497 before the Battle of Black Heath. If he were aged 25 at the time, his birth year would be 1472.
His children are shown to be born beginning in 1480. This would suggest a marriage year of 1479, and if he were 21 at the time, a birth of 1458. An age of 25 at his marriage would place his birth year at 1453.
The birth year currently shown on WikiTree is 1450. While there is no documentation for this year, it is not unreasonable if the children's dates are approximately correct.
===Places===
'''John Saint John''', K.B., held the following lands:
:Bletsoe, Keysoe, Riseley, and Sharnbrook, Bedfordshire,
:Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, :Ashmore, Dorset, Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestory.net Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, p 534 #17 John Saint John
He was Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire (1501-2, 1515-16)
===Titles and Public Service===
Knight Bachelor - 1497 June 17 before the [http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/cornish_rebels_1497.html Battle of Blackheath]. (Name recorded as ''John Seint John'')[https://archive.org/stream/knightsofengland02shawuoft/knightsofengland02shawuoft_djvu.txt Knights of England]
===Marriage to Margred/Sibyl===
John St. John married Margred ferch Morgan Research of Peter Clement Bartrum, [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]: Notes for [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6495/ST.%20JOHN%201_1567.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y St John 1]
The name Sibyl is of Anglo-Norman extraction, while Margred is Welsh. A reasonable surmise would be that her birth name was the Welsh Margred, but when she began to move in English circles, she adopted the name Sibyl.
Sir John married "Sibyl (or Margaret) ferch Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, daughter of Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, Esq., of Langstone, Monmouthshire, by his 2nd wife, Margred, daughter of Dafydd Matthew, Knt."
Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire m. Sibell, daugher of [Rice ap] Morgan ap Jenkyn ap Philippe. Father of Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire. m. Margaret, dau of Sir William Walgrave of Smallbridge (Buers St. Maryes) in com. Suffolk, Knight. Liaison with Anne, dau of Thomas Nevell, of Cotterstock in com. Northampton 2 sonne of William Nevell of Holte in Com. Lester. Frederick Augustus Blayden, Ed. St. John of Bletsoe; The Visitations of Bedfordshire, 1566, 1582, 1634. London, 1884. Pages 52-55https://archive.org/stream/visitationsofbed1921harv#page/n23/mode/2up. Accessed Dec 16, 2015.
Margred ferch Morgan had a sister Elizabeth, born to Morgan's first wife Elsbeth ferch Sir Richard Vaughan. Elizabeth married Thomas ap Lewys (his [[Verch_Lewys-1|sister]] married [[Herbert-201|John ap William Herbert]]). [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5227/Cydifor%20Fawr%2016.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Cydifor Fawr 16] chart posted by [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]
===Death===
Sir John Saint John left a will dated March 22, 1524/5, proved May 23, 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
==Children==
John and Sibyl had three sons, John, Oliver and Alexander, and five daughters, Elizabeth, Alice, Margaret, Sybil, and Katherine.
:Dates and places of birth shown are those shown in WikiTree as of Jan. 10, 2016, and should be presumed to be estimates until verified by documentation. See [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=St_John-158&diff=30941545&oldid=30941003 this page] in the details of edits for [[St_John-158]] to see the unverified information added (but by placement appears below to be supported by Richardson; the footnote citation of Richardson as source is for the children's information prior to the addition of unverified information on January 10, 2016).
#[[St John-186|John St John]], Knt., b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1495, married Margaret Waldegrave#[[St John-417|Oliver St John]], Knt. b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1492, #[[St John-155|Alexander St John ]], Esq., b. Thurley, Bedfordshire 1494, married Jane (or Joan) Dalison (or Dalyson, Dallison), widow of Thomas Leventhorpe, Esq., and daughter of George Dalison, Esq.# [[St John-415|Elizabeth St John]] b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1488, married Sir Thomas Rotheram #[[St John-414|Alice St John]] b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1484, married Sir Henry Parker, 10th Lord Morley#[[St John-110|Margaret St John]] b. Bedfordshire, 1480, married Sir Thomas Gamage of Coity, Glamorgan#[[St John-416|Sybil St John]], b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, 1490, married Sir Robert Kirkham#[[St John-113|Catherine (or Katherine) St John]] b. Bedfordshire 1480, married (1) Sir Griffith ap Rhys (or Ryce), (2) Sir Peter Edgecombe
== Sources ==
See also:
* Shaw, William Arthur & Burtchaell, George Dames, '''[https://archive.org/details/knightsofengland02shawuoft The Knights of England]'''. A complete record from the earliest time to the present day of the knights of all the orders of chivalry in England, Scotland, and Ireland, and of knights bachelors, incorporating a complete list of knights bachelors dubbed in Ireland (1906)
* [http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p509.htm#i15288 Sir John St. John], "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR)
* Weis, Frederick Lewis. ''The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 4th ed.,'' Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1991[[Category: Knights of the Bath]][[Category: Battle of Blackheath]]
}
== John Saint John, K.B. ==: Son and heir of his father's first marriage.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestry.net/ Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, pp 533-535, SAINT JOHN #16, #17
'''Vitals'''
: '''Father''': [[St_John-118|John Saint John]], Esq.''Royal Ancestry,'' Vol 1, p 384 (2013) shows John (m Waldegrave) as a Knight (Knight Bachelor) and both his father and grandfather as K.B. (Knights of the Bath). However, in a 2014 Rootsweb Gen-Medieval post ([http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2014-09/1410553573 "New Light..." by Douglas Richardson, September 2014]), Richardson discusses evidence leading him to change John Saint John m Alice Bradshaw from K.B. to Esquire:
:John Saint John, husband of Alice Bradshagh, who died before 9 Feb. 1489/90 and was survived by a wife, Elizabeth, who re-married Richard Newton, was "John Saint John, esquire (not knight)".
: Richardson posted the following as the current entry in his files:
:"I. JOHN SAINT JOHN, Esq., of Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire, Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, Fonmon and Penmark, Glamorgan, Wales, etc., son and heir, born about 1432-7 (aged 40 and more in 1482). He married (1st) ALICE BRADSHAGH (or BRADSCHAGH), daughter of Thomas Bradshagh, of Haigh, Lancashire. They had one son, John, K.B., and five daughters, Anne, Elizabeth (wife of Thomas Kent, Esq.), Eleanor, Margaret (wife of John ap Morgan), and _____ (nun at Shaftesbury). He married (2nd) ELIZABETH MATHEW, daughter of William Mathew Fawr, by Lleucu, daughter of Gruffudd ap Nicholas. They had one son, Maurice. JOHN SAINT JOHN, Esq., was living in 1482 (date of mother's inquisition post mortem), and died before 9 Feb. 1489/90 (date of lawsuit). His widow, Elizabeth, married (2nd) before 9 Feb. 1489/90 (date of lawsuit) (as his 2nd wife) RICHARD NEWTON, Esq., of Wyke juxta Yatton, Aldwick, Ston Easton, Midsomer Norton, North Curry, Thorn Falcon, Ubley, and Walton-in-Gordano, Somerset, South Carleton, Devon, Child Okeford, Dorset, Aust and Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire, etc., son and heir of John Newton, Knt., by Isabel, daughter and co-heiress of Thomas Cheddar, Esq. He was born about 1468 (aged 30 and more in 1498). They had one daughter, Jane (or Jenet) (wife of Thomas Griffin, Knt.). In 1490 Richard and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued her step-son, John Saint John, Knt., in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her reasonable dower in free tenements in Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire and Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. In 1492 Richard and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued Richard Emson and William Risley in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her dower in the third part of the manor of Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. RICHARD NEWTON, Esq., died 26 Sept. 1500. He left a will dated 24 Sept. 1500, proved 3 March 1500/1 (P.C.C. Moone). His widow, Elizabeth, was assigned dower 11 June 1501. In 1516 she presented to the church of Exford, Somerset. In 1518 James Perceval, Esq., bought a quare impedit against Elizabeth, widow of Richard Newton and others regarding the church of Exford, Somerset. Elizabeth died in 1524. She left a will proved August 1524 (P.C.C.). In the period, 1532-38, Henry Capell and Thomas Gryffyn, Knts., and Jane, wife of the latter, sued Richard Bydwell, Gent., and another, executors of Nicholas, brother of Richard Newton, Esq., deceased in Chancery regarding the detention of deeds relating to the manor of Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire and other lands, late of the said Richard Newton, father of the said Jane, and grandfather of the said Sir Henry. In 1553-55 Thomas Gryffyn, of Braybrooke, Northamptonshire, sued Henry Capell and William Dale, of Yatton, Somerset, yeoman, in Chancery regarding the goods of Elizabeth, late the wife of Richard Newton, in her house at Wyke, Somerset."
: '''Mother''': [[Bradshaw-1919|Alice Bradshaugh]]
: '''Wife''': [[ferch_Morgan-5|Sibyl (Margaret)]], daughter of [[ap_Jenkin-12|Morgan ap Jenkin]] and his 2nd wife [[Mathew-15|Margred]], daughter of [[Mathew-22|Dafydd Matthew]], Knt.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestry.net/ Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' Royal Ancestry series, 2nd edition, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011), [https://books.google.com/books?id=8JcbV309c5UC&pg=RA2-PA479 page 479]
: '''Children''': Three sons and five daughters.
: '''Died''': 1524/5. He left a will dated March 22, 1524/5 and proved May 23, 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
== Biography ==
===Birth and Parentage===
John was son and heir of John Saint John by his first wife Alice Bradshagh
===Estimating Dates===
John became Sheriff of Bedfordshire in 1501, a position requiring not only physical vigor but mature judgment, so assuming he was age 30 at the time, his birth year would be 1471.
He was a knight Bachelor in 1497 before the Battle of Black Heath. If he were aged 25 at the time, his birth year would be 1472.
His children are shown to be born beginning in 1480. This would suggest a marriage year of 1479, and if he were 21 at the time, a birth of 1458. An age of 25 at his marriage would place his birth year at 1453.
The birth year currently shown on WikiTree is 1450. While there is no documentation for this year, it is not unreasonable if the children's dates are approximately correct.
===Places===
'''John Saint John''', K.B., held the following lands:
:Bletsoe, Keysoe, Riseley, and Sharnbrook, Bedfordshire,
:Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, :Ashmore, Dorset, Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestory.net Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, p 534 #17 John Saint John
He was Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire (1501-2, 1515-16)
===Titles and Public Service===
Knight Bachelor - 1497 June 17 before the [http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/cornish_rebels_1497.html Battle of Blackheath]. (Name recorded as ''John Seint John'')[https://archive.org/stream/knightsofengland02shawuoft/knightsofengland02shawuoft_djvu.txt Knights of England]
===Marriage to Margred/Sibyl===
John St. John married Margred ferch Morgan Research of Peter Clement Bartrum, [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]: Notes for [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6495/ST.%20JOHN%201_1567.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y St John 1]
The name Sibyl is of Anglo-Norman extraction, while Margred is Welsh. A reasonable surmise would be that her birth name was the Welsh Margred, but when she began to move in English circles, she adopted the name Sibyl.
Sir John married "Sibyl (or Margaret) ferch Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, daughter of Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, Esq., of Langstone, Monmouthshire, by his 2nd wife, Margred, daughter of Dafydd Matthew, Knt."
Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire m. Sibell, daugher of [Rice ap] Morgan ap Jenkyn ap Philippe. Father of Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire. m. Margaret, dau of Sir William Walgrave of Smallbridge (Buers St. Maryes) in com. Suffolk, Knight. Liaison with Anne, dau of Thomas Nevell, of Cotterstock in com. Northampton 2 sonne of William Nevell of Holte in Com. Lester. Frederick Augustus Blayden, Ed. St. John of Bletsoe; The Visitations of Bedfordshire, 1566, 1582, 1634. London, 1884. Pages 52-55https://archive.org/stream/visitationsofbed1921harv#page/n23/mode/2up. Accessed Dec 16, 2015.
Margred ferch Morgan had a sister Elizabeth, born to Morgan's first wife Elsbeth ferch Sir Richard Vaughan. Elizabeth married Thomas ap Lewys (his [[Verch_Lewys-1|sister]] married [[Herbert-201|John ap William Herbert]]). [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5227/Cydifor%20Fawr%2016.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Cydifor Fawr 16] chart posted by [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]
===Death===
Sir John Saint John left a will dated March 22, 1524/5, proved May 23, 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
==Children==
John and Sibyl had three sons, John, Oliver and Alexander, and five daughters, Elizabeth, Alice, Margaret, Sybil, and Katherine.
:Dates and places of birth shown are those shown in WikiTree as of Jan. 10, 2016, and should be presumed to be estimates until verified by documentation. See [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=St_John-158&diff=30941545&oldid=30941003 this page] in the details of edits for [[St_John-158]] to see the unverified information added (but by placement appears below to be supported by Richardson; the footnote citation of Richardson as source is for the children's information prior to the addition of unverified information on January 10, 2016).
#[[St John-186|John St John]], Knt., b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1495, married Margaret Waldegrave#[[St John-417|Oliver St John]], Knt. b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1492, #[[St John-155|Alexander St John ]], Esq., b. Thurley, Bedfordshire 1494, married Jane (or Joan) Dalison (or Dalyson, Dallison), widow of Thomas Leventhorpe, Esq., and daughter of George Dalison, Esq.# [[St John-415|Elizabeth St John]] b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1488, married Sir Thomas Rotheram #[[St John-414|Alice St John]] b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1484, married Sir Henry Parker, 10th Lord Morley#[[St John-110|Margaret St John]] b. Bedfordshire, 1480, married Sir Thomas Gamage of Coity, Glamorgan#[[St John-416|Sybil St John]], b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, 1490, married Sir Robert Kirkham#[[St John-113|Catherine (or Katherine) St John]] b. Bedfordshire 1480, married (1) Sir Griffith ap Rhys (or Ryce), (2) Sir Peter Edgecombe
== Sources ==
See also:
* Shaw, William Arthur & Burtchaell, George Dames, '''[https://archive.org/details/knightsofengland02shawuoft The Knights of England]'''. A complete record from the earliest time to the present day of the knights of all the orders of chivalry in England, Scotland, and Ireland, and of knights bachelors, incorporating a complete list of knights bachelors dubbed in Ireland (1906)
* [http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p509.htm#i15288 Sir John St. John], "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR)
* Weis, Frederick Lewis. ''The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 4th ed.,'' Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1991
-- MERGED NOTE ------------
== Biography ==
occupation: John, Lord of Fonmon Castle, Glamorgan, Wales
== Sources ==
*
-- MERGED NOTE ------------
[[Category: Knights of the Bath]][[Category: Battle of Blackheath]]
}
== John Saint John, K.B. ==: Son and heir of his father's first marriage.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestry.net/ Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, pp 533-535, SAINT JOHN #16, #17
'''Vitals'''
: '''Father''': [[St_John-118|John Saint John]], Esq.''Royal Ancestry,'' Vol 1, p 384 (2013) shows John (m Waldegrave) as a Knight (Knight Bachelor) and both his father and grandfather as K.B. (Knights of the Bath). However, in a 2014 Rootsweb Gen-Medieval post ([http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2014-09/1410553573 "New Light..." by Douglas Richardson, September 2014]), Richardson discusses evidence leading him to change John Saint John m Alice Bradshaw from K.B. to Esquire:
:John Saint John, husband of Alice Bradshagh, who died before 9 Feb. 1489/90 and was survived by a wife, Elizabeth, who re-married Richard Newton, was "John Saint John, esquire (not knight)".
: Richardson posted the following as the current entry in his files:
:"I. JOHN SAINT JOHN, Esq., of Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire, Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, Fonmon and Penmark, Glamorgan, Wales, etc., son and heir, born about 1432-7 (aged 40 and more in 1482). He married (1st) ALICE BRADSHAGH (or BRADSCHAGH), daughter of Thomas Bradshagh, of Haigh, Lancashire. They had one son, John, K.B., and five daughters, Anne, Elizabeth (wife of Thomas Kent, Esq.), Eleanor, Margaret (wife of John ap Morgan), and _____ (nun at Shaftesbury). He married (2nd) ELIZABETH MATHEW, daughter of William Mathew Fawr, by Lleucu, daughter of Gruffudd ap Nicholas. They had one son, Maurice. JOHN SAINT JOHN, Esq., was living in 1482 (date of mother's inquisition post mortem), and died before 9 Feb. 1489/90 (date of lawsuit). His widow, Elizabeth, married (2nd) before 9 Feb. 1489/90 (date of lawsuit) (as his 2nd wife) RICHARD NEWTON, Esq., of Wyke juxta Yatton, Aldwick, Ston Easton, Midsomer Norton, North Curry, Thorn Falcon, Ubley, and Walton-in-Gordano, Somerset, South Carleton, Devon, Child Okeford, Dorset, Aust and Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire, etc., son and heir of John Newton, Knt., by Isabel, daughter and co-heiress of Thomas Cheddar, Esq. He was born about 1468 (aged 30 and more in 1498). They had one daughter, Jane (or Jenet) (wife of Thomas Griffin, Knt.). In 1490 Richard and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued her step-son, John Saint John, Knt., in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her reasonable dower in free tenements in Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire and Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. In 1492 Richard and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued Richard Emson and William Risley in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her dower in the third part of the manor of Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. RICHARD NEWTON, Esq., died 26 Sept. 1500. He left a will dated 24 Sept. 1500, proved 3 March 1500/1 (P.C.C. Moone). His widow, Elizabeth, was assigned dower 11 June 1501. In 1516 she presented to the church of Exford, Somerset. In 1518 James Perceval, Esq., bought a quare impedit against Elizabeth, widow of Richard Newton and others regarding the church of Exford, Somerset. Elizabeth died in 1524. She left a will proved August 1524 (P.C.C.). In the period, 1532-38, Henry Capell and Thomas Gryffyn, Knts., and Jane, wife of the latter, sued Richard Bydwell, Gent., and another, executors of Nicholas, brother of Richard Newton, Esq., deceased in Chancery regarding the detention of deeds relating to the manor of Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire and other lands, late of the said Richard Newton, father of the said Jane, and grandfather of the said Sir Henry. In 1553-55 Thomas Gryffyn, of Braybrooke, Northamptonshire, sued Henry Capell and William Dale, of Yatton, Somerset, yeoman, in Chancery regarding the goods of Elizabeth, late the wife of Richard Newton, in her house at Wyke, Somerset."
: '''Mother''': [[Bradshaw-1919|Alice Bradshaugh]]
: '''Wife''': [[ferch_Morgan-5|Sibyl (Margaret)]], daughter of [[ap_Jenkin-12|Morgan ap Jenkin]] and his 2nd wife [[Mathew-15|Margred]], daughter of [[Mathew-22|Dafydd Matthew]], Knt.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestry.net/ Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' Royal Ancestry series, 2nd edition, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011), [https://books.google.com/books?id=8JcbV309c5UC&pg=RA2-PA479 page 479]
: '''Children''': Three sons and five daughters.
: '''Died''': 1524/5. He left a will dated March 22, 1524/5 and proved May 23, 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
== Biography ==
===Birth and Parentage===
John was son and heir of John Saint John by his first wife Alice Bradshagh
===Estimating Dates===
John became Sheriff of Bedfordshire in 1501, a position requiring not only physical vigor but mature judgment, so assuming he was age 30 at the time, his birth year would be 1471.
He was a knight Bachelor in 1497 before the Battle of Black Heath. If he were aged 25 at the time, his birth year would be 1472.
His children are shown to be born beginning in 1480. This would suggest a marriage year of 1479, and if he were 21 at the time, a birth of 1458. An age of 25 at his marriage would place his birth year at 1453.
The birth year currently shown on WikiTree is 1450. While there is no documentation for this year, it is not unreasonable if the children's dates are approximately correct.
===Places===
'''John Saint John''', K.B., held the following lands:
:Bletsoe, Keysoe, Riseley, and Sharnbrook, Bedfordshire,
:Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, :Ashmore, Dorset, Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestory.net Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, p 534 #17 John Saint John
He was Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire (1501-2, 1515-16)
===Titles and Public Service===
Knight Bachelor - 1497 June 17 before the [http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/cornish_rebels_1497.html Battle of Blackheath]. (Name recorded as ''John Seint John'')[https://archive.org/stream/knightsofengland02shawuoft/knightsofengland02shawuoft_djvu.txt Knights of England]
===Marriage to Margred/Sibyl===
John St. John married Margred ferch Morgan Research of Peter Clement Bartrum, [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]: Notes for [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6495/ST.%20JOHN%201_1567.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y St John 1]
The name Sibyl is of Anglo-Norman extraction, while Margred is Welsh. A reasonable surmise would be that her birth name was the Welsh Margred, but when she began to move in English circles, she adopted the name Sibyl.
Sir John married "Sibyl (or Margaret) ferch Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, daughter of Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, Esq., of Langstone, Monmouthshire, by his 2nd wife, Margred, daughter of Dafydd Matthew, Knt."
Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire m. Sibell, daugher of [Rice ap] Morgan ap Jenkyn ap Philippe. Father of Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire. m. Margaret, dau of Sir William Walgrave of Smallbridge (Buers St. Maryes) in com. Suffolk, Knight. Liaison with Anne, dau of Thomas Nevell, of Cotterstock in com. Northampton 2 sonne of William Nevell of Holte in Com. Lester. Frederick Augustus Blayden, Ed. St. John of Bletsoe; The Visitations of Bedfordshire, 1566, 1582, 1634. London, 1884. Pages 52-55https://archive.org/stream/visitationsofbed1921harv#page/n23/mode/2up. Accessed Dec 16, 2015.
Margred ferch Morgan had a sister Elizabeth, born to Morgan's first wife Elsbeth ferch Sir Richard Vaughan. Elizabeth married Thomas ap Lewys (his [[Verch_Lewys-1|sister]] married [[Herbert-201|John ap William Herbert]]). [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5227/Cydifor%20Fawr%2016.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Cydifor Fawr 16] chart posted by [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]
===Death===
Sir John Saint John left a will dated March 22, 1524/5, proved May 23, 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
==Children==
John and Sibyl had three sons, John, Oliver and Alexander, and five daughters, Elizabeth, Alice, Margaret, Sybil, and Katherine.
:Dates and places of birth shown are those shown in WikiTree as of Jan. 10, 2016, and should be presumed to be estimates until verified by documentation. See [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=St_John-158&diff=30941545&oldid=30941003 this page] in the details of edits for [[St_John-158]] to see the unverified information added (but by placement appears below to be supported by Richardson; the footnote citation of Richardson as source is for the children's information prior to the addition of unverified information on January 10, 2016).
#[[St John-186|John St John]], Knt., b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1495, married Margaret Waldegrave#[[St John-417|Oliver St John]], Knt. b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1492, #[[St John-155|Alexander St John ]], Esq., b. Thurley, Bedfordshire 1494, married Jane (or Joan) Dalison (or Dalyson, Dallison), widow of Thomas Leventhorpe, Esq., and daughter of George Dalison, Esq.# [[St John-415|Elizabeth St John]] b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1488, married Sir Thomas Rotheram #[[St John-414|Alice St John]] b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1484, married Sir Henry Parker, 10th Lord Morley#[[St John-110|Margaret St John]] b. Bedfordshire, 1480, married Sir Thomas Gamage of Coity, Glamorgan#[[St John-416|Sybil St John]], b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, 1490, married Sir Robert Kirkham#[[St John-113|Catherine (or Katherine) St John]] b. Bedfordshire 1480, married (1) Sir Griffith ap Rhys (or Ryce), (2) Sir Peter Edgecombe
== Sources ==
See also:
* Shaw, William Arthur & Burtchaell, George Dames, '''[https://archive.org/details/knightsofengland02shawuoft The Knights of England]'''. A complete record from the earliest time to the present day of the knights of all the orders of chivalry in England, Scotland, and Ireland, and of knights bachelors, incorporating a complete list of knights bachelors dubbed in Ireland (1906)
* [http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p509.htm#i15288 Sir John St. John], "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR)
* Weis, Frederick Lewis. ''The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 4th ed.,'' Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1991
-- MERGED NOTE ------------
[[Category: Knights bachelor]][[Category: Battle of Blackheath]]
==Biography==
===Birth and Parentage===
John was son and heir of John Saint John, K.B., by his first wife Alice Bradshagh
===Places===
'''John Saint John''', K.B., held the following lands:
:Bletsoe, Keysoe, Riseley, and Sharnbrook, Bedfordshire,
:Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, :Ashmore, Dorset, Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestory.net Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, p 534 #17 John Saint John
He was Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire (1501-2, 1515-16)
===Titles and Public Service===
Knight Bachelor - 1497 June 17 before the [http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/cornish_rebels_1497.html Battle of Blackheath]. (Name recorded as ''John Seint John'')[https://archive.org/stream/knightsofengland02shawuoft/knightsofengland02shawuoft_djvu.txt Knights of England]
===First Marriage to Elsbeth?===
Bartrum appears to record an earlier marriage to an Elsbeth; Richardson does not.
Elizabeth, one of Morgan's daughters, by his first wife Elsbeth f. Sir Richard Vaughan, married Thomas ap Lewys (his [[Verch_Lewys-1|sister]] married [[Herbert-201|John ap William Herbert]]). [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5227/Cydifor%20Fawr%2016.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Cydifor Fawr 16] chart posted by [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]
===Marriage to Sibyl===
He married Margred ferch Morgan Research of Peter Clement Bartrum, [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]: Notes for [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6495/ST.%20JOHN%201_1567.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y St John 1]
Sir John married "Sibyl (or Margaret) ferch Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, daughter of Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, Esq., of Langstone, Monmouthshire, by his 2nd wife, Margred, daughter of Dafydd Matthew, Knt."
Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire m. Sibell, daugher of [Rice ap] Morgan ap Jenkyn ap Philippe. Father of Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire. m. Margaret, dau of Sir William Walgrave of Smallbridge (Buers St. Maryes) in com. Suffolk, Knight. Liaison with Anne, dau of Thomas Nevell, of Cotterstock in com. Northampton 2 sonne of William Nevell of Holte in Com. Lester. Frederick Augustus Blayden, Ed. St. John of Bletsoe; The Visitations of Bedfordshire, 1566, 1582, 1634. London, 1884. Pages 52-55https://archive.org/stream/visitationsofbed1921harv#page/n23/mode/2up. Accessed Dec 16, 2015.
===Death===
Sir John Saint John left a will dated March 22, 1524/5, proved May 23, 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
==Children==
John and Sibyl had three sons, John, Oliver and Alexander, and five daughters, Elizabeth, Alice, Margaret, Sybil, and Katherine.
#[[St John-186|John St John]], Knt., married Margaret Waldegrave
#[[St John-417|Oliver St John]], Knt.#[[St John-155|Alexander St John ]], Esq., married Jane (or Joan) Dalison (or Dalyson, Dallison), widow of Thomas Leventhorpe, Esq., and daughter of George Dalison, Esq.# [[St John-415|Elizabeth St John]] married Sir Thomas Rotheram #[[St John-414|Alice St John]] married Sir Henry Parker, 10th Lord Morley#[[St John-110|Margaret St John]] married Sir Thomas Gamage of Coity, Glamorgan#[[St John-416|Sybil St John]] married Sir Robert Kirkham#[[St John-113|Catherine (or Katherine) St John]] married (1) Sir Griffith ap Rhys (or Ryce), (2) Sir Peter Edgecombe
== Sources ==
See also:
* Shaw, William Arthur & Burtchaell, George Dames, '''[https://archive.org/details/knightsofengland02shawuoft The Knights of England]'''. A complete record from the earliest time to the present day of the knights of all the orders of chivalry in England, Scotland, and Ireland, and of knights bachelors, incorporating a complete list of knights bachelors dubbed in Ireland (1906)
* [http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p509.htm#i15288 Sir John St. John], "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR)
* Weis, Frederick Lewis. ''The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 4th ed.,'' Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1991
[[Category: Knights of the Bath]][[Category: Battle of Blackheath]]
}
== John Saint John, K.B. ==: Son and heir of his father's first marriage.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestry.net/ Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, pp 533-535, SAINT JOHN #16, #17
'''Vitals'''
: '''Father''': [[St_John-118|John Saint John]], Esq.''Royal Ancestry,'' Vol 1, p 384 (2013) shows John (m Waldegrave) as a Knight (Knight Bachelor) and both his father and grandfather as K.B. (Knights of the Bath). However, in a 2014 Rootsweb Gen-Medieval post ([http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2014-09/1410553573 "New Light..." by Douglas Richardson, September 2014]), Richardson discusses evidence leading him to change John Saint John m Alice Bradshaw from K.B. to Esquire:
:John Saint John, husband of Alice Bradshagh, who died before 9 Feb. 1489/90 and was survived by a wife, Elizabeth, who re-married Richard Newton, was "John Saint John, esquire (not knight)".
: Richardson posted the following as the current entry in his files:
:"I. JOHN SAINT JOHN, Esq., of Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire, Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, Fonmon and Penmark, Glamorgan, Wales, etc., son and heir, born about 1432-7 (aged 40 and more in 1482). He married (1st) ALICE BRADSHAGH (or BRADSCHAGH), daughter of Thomas Bradshagh, of Haigh, Lancashire. They had one son, John, K.B., and five daughters, Anne, Elizabeth (wife of Thomas Kent, Esq.), Eleanor, Margaret (wife of John ap Morgan), and _____ (nun at Shaftesbury). He married (2nd) ELIZABETH MATHEW, daughter of William Mathew Fawr, by Lleucu, daughter of Gruffudd ap Nicholas. They had one son, Maurice. JOHN SAINT JOHN, Esq., was living in 1482 (date of mother's inquisition post mortem), and died before 9 Feb. 1489/90 (date of lawsuit). His widow, Elizabeth, married (2nd) before 9 Feb. 1489/90 (date of lawsuit) (as his 2nd wife) RICHARD NEWTON, Esq., of Wyke juxta Yatton, Aldwick, Ston Easton, Midsomer Norton, North Curry, Thorn Falcon, Ubley, and Walton-in-Gordano, Somerset, South Carleton, Devon, Child Okeford, Dorset, Aust and Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire, etc., son and heir of John Newton, Knt., by Isabel, daughter and co-heiress of Thomas Cheddar, Esq. He was born about 1468 (aged 30 and more in 1498). They had one daughter, Jane (or Jenet) (wife of Thomas Griffin, Knt.). In 1490 Richard and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued her step-son, John Saint John, Knt., in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her reasonable dower in free tenements in Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire and Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. In 1492 Richard and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued Richard Emson and William Risley in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her dower in the third part of the manor of Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. RICHARD NEWTON, Esq., died 26 Sept. 1500. He left a will dated 24 Sept. 1500, proved 3 March 1500/1 (P.C.C. Moone). His widow, Elizabeth, was assigned dower 11 June 1501. In 1516 she presented to the church of Exford, Somerset. In 1518 James Perceval, Esq., bought a quare impedit against Elizabeth, widow of Richard Newton and others regarding the church of Exford, Somerset. Elizabeth died in 1524. She left a will proved August 1524 (P.C.C.). In the period, 1532-38, Henry Capell and Thomas Gryffyn, Knts., and Jane, wife of the latter, sued Richard Bydwell, Gent., and another, executors of Nicholas, brother of Richard Newton, Esq., deceased in Chancery regarding the detention of deeds relating to the manor of Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire and other lands, late of the said Richard Newton, father of the said Jane, and grandfather of the said Sir Henry. In 1553-55 Thomas Gryffyn, of Braybrooke, Northamptonshire, sued Henry Capell and William Dale, of Yatton, Somerset, yeoman, in Chancery regarding the goods of Elizabeth, late the wife of Richard Newton, in her house at Wyke, Somerset."
: '''Mother''': [[Bradshaw-1919|Alice Bradshaugh]]
: '''Wife''': [[ferch_Morgan-5|Sibyl (Margaret)]], daughter of [[ap_Jenkin-12|Morgan ap Jenkin]] and his 2nd wife [[Mathew-15|Margred]], daughter of [[Mathew-22|Dafydd Matthew]], Knt.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestry.net/ Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' Royal Ancestry series, 2nd edition, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011), [https://books.google.com/books?id=8JcbV309c5UC&pg=RA2-PA479 page 479]
: '''Children''': Three sons and five daughters.
: '''Died''': 1524/5. He left a will dated March 22, 1524/5 and proved May 23, 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
== Biography ==
===Birth and Parentage===
John was son and heir of John Saint John by his first wife Alice Bradshagh
===Estimating Dates===
John became Sheriff of Bedfordshire in 1501, a position requiring not only physical vigor but mature judgment, so assuming he was age 30 at the time, his birth year would be 1471.
He was a knight Bachelor in 1497 before the Battle of Black Heath. If he were aged 25 at the time, his birth year would be 1472.
His children are shown to be born beginning in 1480. This would suggest a marriage year of 1479, and if he were 21 at the time, a birth of 1458. An age of 25 at his marriage would place his birth year at 1453.
The birth year currently shown on WikiTree is 1450. While there is no documentation for this year, it is not unreasonable if the children's dates are approximately correct.
===Places===
'''John Saint John''', K.B., held the following lands:
:Bletsoe, Keysoe, Riseley, and Sharnbrook, Bedfordshire,
:Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, :Ashmore, Dorset, Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestory.net Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, p 534 #17 John Saint John
He was Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire (1501-2, 1515-16)
===Titles and Public Service===
Knight Bachelor - 1497 June 17 before the [http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/cornish_rebels_1497.html Battle of Blackheath]. (Name recorded as ''John Seint John'')[https://archive.org/stream/knightsofengland02shawuoft/knightsofengland02shawuoft_djvu.txt Knights of England]
===Marriage to Margred/Sibyl===
John St. John married Margred ferch Morgan Research of Peter Clement Bartrum, [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]: Notes for [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6495/ST.%20JOHN%201_1567.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y St John 1]
The name Sibyl is of Anglo-Norman extraction, while Margred is Welsh. A reasonable surmise would be that her birth name was the Welsh Margred, but when she began to move in English circles, she adopted the name Sibyl.
Sir John married "Sibyl (or Margaret) ferch Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, daughter of Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, Esq., of Langstone, Monmouthshire, by his 2nd wife, Margred, daughter of Dafydd Matthew, Knt."
Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire m. Sibell, daugher of [Rice ap] Morgan ap Jenkyn ap Philippe. Father of Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire. m. Margaret, dau of Sir William Walgrave of Smallbridge (Buers St. Maryes) in com. Suffolk, Knight. Liaison with Anne, dau of Thomas Nevell, of Cotterstock in com. Northampton 2 sonne of William Nevell of Holte in Com. Lester. Frederick Augustus Blayden, Ed. St. John of Bletsoe; The Visitations of Bedfordshire, 1566, 1582, 1634. London, 1884. Pages 52-55https://archive.org/stream/visitationsofbed1921harv#page/n23/mode/2up. Accessed Dec 16, 2015.
Margred ferch Morgan had a sister Elizabeth, born to Morgan's first wife Elsbeth ferch Sir Richard Vaughan. Elizabeth married Thomas ap Lewys (his [[Verch_Lewys-1|sister]] married [[Herbert-201|John ap William Herbert]]). [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5227/Cydifor%20Fawr%2016.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Cydifor Fawr 16] chart posted by [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]
===Death===
Sir John Saint John left a will dated March 22, 1524/5, proved May 23, 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
==Children==
John and Sibyl had three sons, John, Oliver and Alexander, and five daughters, Elizabeth, Alice, Margaret, Sybil, and Katherine.
:Dates and places of birth shown are those shown in WikiTree as of Jan. 10, 2016, and should be presumed to be estimates until verified by documentation. See [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=St_John-158&diff=30941545&oldid=30941003 this page] in the details of edits for [[St_John-158]] to see the unverified information added (but by placement appears below to be supported by Richardson; the footnote citation of Richardson as source is for the children's information prior to the addition of unverified information on January 10, 2016).
#[[St John-186|John St John]], Knt., b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1495, married Margaret Waldegrave#[[St John-417|Oliver St John]], Knt. b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1492, #[[St John-155|Alexander St John ]], Esq., b. Thurley, Bedfordshire 1494, married Jane (or Joan) Dalison (or Dalyson, Dallison), widow of Thomas Leventhorpe, Esq., and daughter of George Dalison, Esq.# [[St John-415|Elizabeth St John]] b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1488, married Sir Thomas Rotheram #[[St John-414|Alice St John]] b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1484, married Sir Henry Parker, 10th Lord Morley#[[St John-110|Margaret St John]] b. Bedfordshire, 1480, married Sir Thomas Gamage of Coity, Glamorgan#[[St John-416|Sybil St John]], b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, 1490, married Sir Robert Kirkham#[[St John-113|Catherine (or Katherine) St John]] b. Bedfordshire 1480, married (1) Sir Griffith ap Rhys (or Ryce), (2) Sir Peter Edgecombe
== Sources ==
See also:
* Shaw, William Arthur & Burtchaell, George Dames, '''[https://archive.org/details/knightsofengland02shawuoft The Knights of England]'''. A complete record from the earliest time to the present day of the knights of all the orders of chivalry in England, Scotland, and Ireland, and of knights bachelors, incorporating a complete list of knights bachelors dubbed in Ireland (1906)
* [http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p509.htm#i15288 Sir John St. John], "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR)
* Weis, Frederick Lewis. ''The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 4th ed.,'' Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1991
[[Category: Knights of the Bath]][[Category: Battle of Blackheath]]
}
== John Saint John, K.B. ==: Son and heir of his father's first marriage.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestry.net/ Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, pp 533-535, SAINT JOHN #16, #17
'''Vitals'''
: '''Father''': [[St_John-118|John Saint John]], Esq.''Royal Ancestry,'' Vol 1, p 384 (2013) shows John (m Waldegrave) as a Knight (Knight Bachelor) and both his father and grandfather as K.B. (Knights of the Bath). However, in a 2014 Rootsweb Gen-Medieval post ([http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2014-09/1410553573 "New Light..." by Douglas Richardson, September 2014]), Richardson discusses evidence leading him to change John Saint John m Alice Bradshaw from K.B. to Esquire:
:John Saint John, husband of Alice Bradshagh, who died before 9 Feb. 1489/90 and was survived by a wife, Elizabeth, who re-married Richard Newton, was "John Saint John, esquire (not knight)".
: Richardson posted the following as the current entry in his files:
:"I. JOHN SAINT JOHN, Esq., of Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire, Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, Fonmon and Penmark, Glamorgan, Wales, etc., son and heir, born about 1432-7 (aged 40 and more in 1482). He married (1st) ALICE BRADSHAGH (or BRADSCHAGH), daughter of Thomas Bradshagh, of Haigh, Lancashire. They had one son, John, K.B., and five daughters, Anne, Elizabeth (wife of Thomas Kent, Esq.), Eleanor, Margaret (wife of John ap Morgan), and _____ (nun at Shaftesbury). He married (2nd) ELIZABETH MATHEW, daughter of William Mathew Fawr, by Lleucu, daughter of Gruffudd ap Nicholas. They had one son, Maurice. JOHN SAINT JOHN, Esq., was living in 1482 (date of mother's inquisition post mortem), and died before 9 Feb. 1489/90 (date of lawsuit). His widow, Elizabeth, married (2nd) before 9 Feb. 1489/90 (date of lawsuit) (as his 2nd wife) RICHARD NEWTON, Esq., of Wyke juxta Yatton, Aldwick, Ston Easton, Midsomer Norton, North Curry, Thorn Falcon, Ubley, and Walton-in-Gordano, Somerset, South Carleton, Devon, Child Okeford, Dorset, Aust and Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire, etc., son and heir of John Newton, Knt., by Isabel, daughter and co-heiress of Thomas Cheddar, Esq. He was born about 1468 (aged 30 and more in 1498). They had one daughter, Jane (or Jenet) (wife of Thomas Griffin, Knt.). In 1490 Richard and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued her step-son, John Saint John, Knt., in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her reasonable dower in free tenements in Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire and Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. In 1492 Richard and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued Richard Emson and William Risley in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her dower in the third part of the manor of Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. RICHARD NEWTON, Esq., died 26 Sept. 1500. He left a will dated 24 Sept. 1500, proved 3 March 1500/1 (P.C.C. Moone). His widow, Elizabeth, was assigned dower 11 June 1501. In 1516 she presented to the church of Exford, Somerset. In 1518 James Perceval, Esq., bought a quare impedit against Elizabeth, widow of Richard Newton and others regarding the church of Exford, Somerset. Elizabeth died in 1524. She left a will proved August 1524 (P.C.C.). In the period, 1532-38, Henry Capell and Thomas Gryffyn, Knts., and Jane, wife of the latter, sued Richard Bydwell, Gent., and another, executors of Nicholas, brother of Richard Newton, Esq., deceased in Chancery regarding the detention of deeds relating to the manor of Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire and other lands, late of the said Richard Newton, father of the said Jane, and grandfather of the said Sir Henry. In 1553-55 Thomas Gryffyn, of Braybrooke, Northamptonshire, sued Henry Capell and William Dale, of Yatton, Somerset, yeoman, in Chancery regarding the goods of Elizabeth, late the wife of Richard Newton, in her house at Wyke, Somerset."
: '''Mother''': [[Bradshaw-1919|Alice Bradshaugh]]
: '''Wife''': [[ferch_Morgan-5|Sibyl (Margaret)]], daughter of [[ap_Jenkin-12|Morgan ap Jenkin]] and his 2nd wife [[Mathew-15|Margred]], daughter of [[Mathew-22|Dafydd Matthew]], Knt.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestry.net/ Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' Royal Ancestry series, 2nd edition, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011), [https://books.google.com/books?id=8JcbV309c5UC&pg=RA2-PA479 page 479]
: '''Children''': Three sons and five daughters.
: '''Died''': 1524/5. He left a will dated March 22, 1524/5 and proved May 23, 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
== Biography ==
===Birth and Parentage===
John was son and heir of John Saint John by his first wife Alice Bradshagh
===Estimating Dates===
John became Sheriff of Bedfordshire in 1501, a position requiring not only physical vigor but mature judgment, so assuming he was age 30 at the time, his birth year would be 1471.
He was a knight Bachelor in 1497 before the Battle of Black Heath. If he were aged 25 at the time, his birth year would be 1472.
His children are shown to be born beginning in 1480. This would suggest a marriage year of 1479, and if he were 21 at the time, a birth of 1458. An age of 25 at his marriage would place his birth year at 1453.
The birth year currently shown on WikiTree is 1450. While there is no documentation for this year, it is not unreasonable if the children's dates are approximately correct.
===Places===
'''John Saint John''', K.B., held the following lands:
:Bletsoe, Keysoe, Riseley, and Sharnbrook, Bedfordshire,
:Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, :Ashmore, Dorset, Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestory.net Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, p 534 #17 John Saint John
He was Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire (1501-2, 1515-16)
===Titles and Public Service===
Knight Bachelor - 1497 June 17 before the [http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/cornish_rebels_1497.html Battle of Blackheath]. (Name recorded as ''John Seint John'')[https://archive.org/stream/knightsofengland02shawuoft/knightsofengland02shawuoft_djvu.txt Knights of England]
===Marriage to Margred/Sibyl===
John St. John married Margred ferch Morgan Research of Peter Clement Bartrum, [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]: Notes for [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6495/ST.%20JOHN%201_1567.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y St John 1]
The name Sibyl is of Anglo-Norman extraction, while Margred is Welsh. A reasonable surmise would be that her birth name was the Welsh Margred, but when she began to move in English circles, she adopted the name Sibyl.
Sir John married "Sibyl (or Margaret) ferch Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, daughter of Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, Esq., of Langstone, Monmouthshire, by his 2nd wife, Margred, daughter of Dafydd Matthew, Knt."
Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire m. Sibell, daugher of [Rice ap] Morgan ap Jenkyn ap Philippe. Father of Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire. m. Margaret, dau of Sir William Walgrave of Smallbridge (Buers St. Maryes) in com. Suffolk, Knight. Liaison with Anne, dau of Thomas Nevell, of Cotterstock in com. Northampton 2 sonne of William Nevell of Holte in Com. Lester. Frederick Augustus Blayden, Ed. St. John of Bletsoe; The Visitations of Bedfordshire, 1566, 1582, 1634. London, 1884. Pages 52-55https://archive.org/stream/visitationsofbed1921harv#page/n23/mode/2up. Accessed Dec 16, 2015.
Margred ferch Morgan had a sister Elizabeth, born to Morgan's first wife Elsbeth ferch Sir Richard Vaughan. Elizabeth married Thomas ap Lewys (his [[Verch_Lewys-1|sister]] married [[Herbert-201|John ap William Herbert]]). [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5227/Cydifor%20Fawr%2016.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Cydifor Fawr 16] chart posted by [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]
===Death===
Sir John Saint John left a will dated March 22, 1524/5, proved May 23, 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
==Children==
John and Sibyl had three sons, John, Oliver and Alexander, and five daughters, Elizabeth, Alice, Margaret, Sybil, and Katherine.
:Dates and places of birth shown are those shown in WikiTree as of Jan. 10, 2016, and should be presumed to be estimates until verified by documentation. See [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=St_John-158&diff=30941545&oldid=30941003 this page] in the details of edits for [[St_John-158]] to see the unverified information added (but by placement appears below to be supported by Richardson; the footnote citation of Richardson as source is for the children's information prior to the addition of unverified information on January 10, 2016).
#[[St John-186|John St John]], Knt., b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1495, married Margaret Waldegrave#[[St John-417|Oliver St John]], Knt. b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1492, #[[St John-155|Alexander St John ]], Esq., b. Thurley, Bedfordshire 1494, married Jane (or Joan) Dalison (or Dalyson, Dallison), widow of Thomas Leventhorpe, Esq., and daughter of George Dalison, Esq.# [[St John-415|Elizabeth St John]] b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1488, married Sir Thomas Rotheram #[[St John-414|Alice St John]] b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1484, married Sir Henry Parker, 10th Lord Morley#[[St John-110|Margaret St John]] b. Bedfordshire, 1480, married Sir Thomas Gamage of Coity, Glamorgan#[[St John-416|Sybil St John]], b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, 1490, married Sir Robert Kirkham#[[St John-113|Catherine (or Katherine) St John]] b. Bedfordshire 1480, married (1) Sir Griffith ap Rhys (or Ryce), (2) Sir Peter Edgecombe
== Sources ==
See also:
* Shaw, William Arthur & Burtchaell, George Dames, '''[https://archive.org/details/knightsofengland02shawuoft The Knights of England]'''. A complete record from the earliest time to the present day of the knights of all the orders of chivalry in England, Scotland, and Ireland, and of knights bachelors, incorporating a complete list of knights bachelors dubbed in Ireland (1906)
* [http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p509.htm#i15288 Sir John St. John], "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR)
* Weis, Frederick Lewis. ''The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 4th ed.,'' Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1991[[Category: Knights of the Bath]][[Category: Battle of Blackheath]]
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== John Saint John, K.B. ==: Son and heir of his father's first marriage.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestry.net/ Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, pp 533-535, SAINT JOHN #16, #17
'''Vitals'''
: '''Father''': [[St_John-118|John Saint John]], Esq.''Royal Ancestry,'' Vol 1, p 384 (2013) shows John (m Waldegrave) as a Knight (Knight Bachelor) and both his father and grandfather as K.B. (Knights of the Bath). However, in a 2014 Rootsweb Gen-Medieval post ([http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2014-09/1410553573 "New Light..." by Douglas Richardson, September 2014]), Richardson discusses evidence leading him to change John Saint John m Alice Bradshaw from K.B. to Esquire:
:John Saint John, husband of Alice Bradshagh, who died before 9 Feb. 1489/90 and was survived by a wife, Elizabeth, who re-married Richard Newton, was "John Saint John, esquire (not knight)".
: Richardson posted the following as the current entry in his files:
:"I. JOHN SAINT JOHN, Esq., of Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire, Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, Fonmon and Penmark, Glamorgan, Wales, etc., son and heir, born about 1432-7 (aged 40 and more in 1482). He married (1st) ALICE BRADSHAGH (or BRADSCHAGH), daughter of Thomas Bradshagh, of Haigh, Lancashire. They had one son, John, K.B., and five daughters, Anne, Elizabeth (wife of Thomas Kent, Esq.), Eleanor, Margaret (wife of John ap Morgan), and _____ (nun at Shaftesbury). He married (2nd) ELIZABETH MATHEW, daughter of William Mathew Fawr, by Lleucu, daughter of Gruffudd ap Nicholas. They had one son, Maurice. JOHN SAINT JOHN, Esq., was living in 1482 (date of mother's inquisition post mortem), and died before 9 Feb. 1489/90 (date of lawsuit). His widow, Elizabeth, married (2nd) before 9 Feb. 1489/90 (date of lawsuit) (as his 2nd wife) RICHARD NEWTON, Esq., of Wyke juxta Yatton, Aldwick, Ston Easton, Midsomer Norton, North Curry, Thorn Falcon, Ubley, and Walton-in-Gordano, Somerset, South Carleton, Devon, Child Okeford, Dorset, Aust and Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire, etc., son and heir of John Newton, Knt., by Isabel, daughter and co-heiress of Thomas Cheddar, Esq. He was born about 1468 (aged 30 and more in 1498). They had one daughter, Jane (or Jenet) (wife of Thomas Griffin, Knt.). In 1490 Richard and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued her step-son, John Saint John, Knt., in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her reasonable dower in free tenements in Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire and Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. In 1492 Richard and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued Richard Emson and William Risley in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her dower in the third part of the manor of Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. RICHARD NEWTON, Esq., died 26 Sept. 1500. He left a will dated 24 Sept. 1500, proved 3 March 1500/1 (P.C.C. Moone). His widow, Elizabeth, was assigned dower 11 June 1501. In 1516 she presented to the church of Exford, Somerset. In 1518 James Perceval, Esq., bought a quare impedit against Elizabeth, widow of Richard Newton and others regarding the church of Exford, Somerset. Elizabeth died in 1524. She left a will proved August 1524 (P.C.C.). In the period, 1532-38, Henry Capell and Thomas Gryffyn, Knts., and Jane, wife of the latter, sued Richard Bydwell, Gent., and another, executors of Nicholas, brother of Richard Newton, Esq., deceased in Chancery regarding the detention of deeds relating to the manor of Down Hatherley, Gloucestershire and other lands, late of the said Richard Newton, father of the said Jane, and grandfather of the said Sir Henry. In 1553-55 Thomas Gryffyn, of Braybrooke, Northamptonshire, sued Henry Capell and William Dale, of Yatton, Somerset, yeoman, in Chancery regarding the goods of Elizabeth, late the wife of Richard Newton, in her house at Wyke, Somerset."
: '''Mother''': [[Bradshaw-1919|Alice Bradshaugh]]
: '''Wife''': [[ferch_Morgan-5|Sibyl (Margaret)]], daughter of [[ap_Jenkin-12|Morgan ap Jenkin]] and his 2nd wife [[Mathew-15|Margred]], daughter of [[Mathew-22|Dafydd Matthew]], Knt.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestry.net/ Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' Royal Ancestry series, 2nd edition, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011), [https://books.google.com/books?id=8JcbV309c5UC&pg=RA2-PA479 page 479]
: '''Children''': Three sons and five daughters.
: '''Died''': 1524/5. He left a will dated March 22, 1524/5 and proved May 23, 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
== Biography ==
===Birth and Parentage===
John was son and heir of John Saint John by his first wife Alice Bradshagh
===Estimating Dates===
John became Sheriff of Bedfordshire in 1501, a position requiring not only physical vigor but mature judgment, so assuming he was age 30 at the time, his birth year would be 1471.
He was a knight Bachelor in 1497 before the Battle of Black Heath. If he were aged 25 at the time, his birth year would be 1472.
His children are shown to be born beginning in 1480. This would suggest a marriage year of 1479, and if he were 21 at the time, a birth of 1458. An age of 25 at his marriage would place his birth year at 1453.
The birth year currently shown on WikiTree is 1450. While there is no documentation for this year, it is not unreasonable if the children's dates are approximately correct.
===Places===
'''John Saint John''', K.B., held the following lands:
:Bletsoe, Keysoe, Riseley, and Sharnbrook, Bedfordshire,
:Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, :Ashmore, Dorset, Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestory.net Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, p 534 #17 John Saint John
He was Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire (1501-2, 1515-16)
===Titles and Public Service===
Knight Bachelor - 1497 June 17 before the [http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/cornish_rebels_1497.html Battle of Blackheath]. (Name recorded as ''John Seint John'')[https://archive.org/stream/knightsofengland02shawuoft/knightsofengland02shawuoft_djvu.txt Knights of England]
===Marriage to Margred/Sibyl===
John St. John married Margred ferch Morgan Research of Peter Clement Bartrum, [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]: Notes for [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6495/ST.%20JOHN%201_1567.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y St John 1]
The name Sibyl is of Anglo-Norman extraction, while Margred is Welsh. A reasonable surmise would be that her birth name was the Welsh Margred, but when she began to move in English circles, she adopted the name Sibyl.
Sir John married "Sibyl (or Margaret) ferch Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, daughter of Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, Esq., of Langstone, Monmouthshire, by his 2nd wife, Margred, daughter of Dafydd Matthew, Knt."
Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire m. Sibell, daugher of [Rice ap] Morgan ap Jenkyn ap Philippe. Father of Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire. m. Margaret, dau of Sir William Walgrave of Smallbridge (Buers St. Maryes) in com. Suffolk, Knight. Liaison with Anne, dau of Thomas Nevell, of Cotterstock in com. Northampton 2 sonne of William Nevell of Holte in Com. Lester. Frederick Augustus Blayden, Ed. St. John of Bletsoe; The Visitations of Bedfordshire, 1566, 1582, 1634. London, 1884. Pages 52-55https://archive.org/stream/visitationsofbed1921harv#page/n23/mode/2up. Accessed Dec 16, 2015.
Margred ferch Morgan had a sister Elizabeth, born to Morgan's first wife Elsbeth ferch Sir Richard Vaughan. Elizabeth married Thomas ap Lewys (his [[Verch_Lewys-1|sister]] married [[Herbert-201|John ap William Herbert]]). [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5227/Cydifor%20Fawr%2016.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Cydifor Fawr 16] chart posted by [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]
===Death===
Sir John Saint John left a will dated March 22, 1524/5, proved May 23, 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
==Children==
John and Sibyl had three sons, John, Oliver and Alexander, and five daughters, Elizabeth, Alice, Margaret, Sybil, and Katherine.
:Dates and places of birth shown are those shown in WikiTree as of Jan. 10, 2016, and should be presumed to be estimates until verified by documentation. See [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=St_John-158&diff=30941545&oldid=30941003 this page] in the details of edits for [[St_John-158]] to see the unverified information added (but by placement appears below to be supported by Richardson; the footnote citation of Richardson as source is for the children's information prior to the addition of unverified information on January 10, 2016).
#[[St John-186|John St John]], Knt., b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1495, married Margaret Waldegrave#[[St John-417|Oliver St John]], Knt. b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1492, #[[St John-155|Alexander St John ]], Esq., b. Thurley, Bedfordshire 1494, married Jane (or Joan) Dalison (or Dalyson, Dallison), widow of Thomas Leventhorpe, Esq., and daughter of George Dalison, Esq.# [[St John-415|Elizabeth St John]] b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1488, married Sir Thomas Rotheram #[[St John-414|Alice St John]] b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire 1484, married Sir Henry Parker, 10th Lord Morley#[[St John-110|Margaret St John]] b. Bedfordshire, 1480, married Sir Thomas Gamage of Coity, Glamorgan#[[St John-416|Sybil St John]], b. Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, 1490, married Sir Robert Kirkham#[[St John-113|Catherine (or Katherine) St John]] b. Bedfordshire 1480, married (1) Sir Griffith ap Rhys (or Ryce), (2) Sir Peter Edgecombe
== Sources ==
See also:
* Shaw, William Arthur & Burtchaell, George Dames, '''[https://archive.org/details/knightsofengland02shawuoft The Knights of England]'''. A complete record from the earliest time to the present day of the knights of all the orders of chivalry in England, Scotland, and Ireland, and of knights bachelors, incorporating a complete list of knights bachelors dubbed in Ireland (1906)
* [http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p509.htm#i15288 Sir John St. John], "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR)
* Weis, Frederick Lewis. ''The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 4th ed.,'' Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1991
Events
| Birth | Abt 1450 | Bletsoe, Bedfordshire | |||
| Birth | Abt 1460 | Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, England | |||
| Birth | Abt 1465 | ||||
| Marriage | 1483 | Langstone, Glamorganshire, Wales - Margred ferch Morgan | |||
| Marriage | 1483 | Langstone, Wales - Margred ferch Morgan | |||
| Marriage | 1483 | Langstone, Glamorganshire, Wales - Margred ferch Morgan | |||
| Death | 1525 | Langstone, Glamorgan, Wales | |||
| Death | Abt 30 Mar 1525 | Langstone, Glamorganshire, Wales | |||
| Death | Bef 23 May 1525 | Langstone, Glamorgan, Wales | |||
| Death | Bef 23 May 1525 | ||||
| Alt name | Sir John St John KB | ||||
| Alt name | John St John | ||||
| Alt name | John St John KB | ||||
| Title (Nobility) | Sir | ||||
| Reference No | 4018300 | ||||
| Reference No | 4093982 | ||||
| Reference No | 12580521 | ||||
| Reference No | 13417888 | ||||
| Reference No | 60 |
Families
| Spouse | Margred ferch Morgan (1462 - 1472) |
| Child | Catherine St John (1480 - 1535) |
| Child | Margaret St John (1480 - 1562) |
| Child | Alice St John (1484 - 1552) |
| Child | Elizabeth St John (1488 - ) |
| Child | Sybil St John (1490 - ) |
| Child | Oliver St John (1492 - ) |
| Child | Alexander St John (1494 - 1551) |
| Child | John St John KG MP (1495 - 1562) |
| Spouse | Margred ferch Morgan (1462 - 1524) |
| Child | Margaret St John (1480 - 1562) |
| Child | Catherine "Catrin" St John (1496 - 1553) |
| Child | Alexander St John (1494 - 1551) |
| Child | John St John KG MP (1495 - 1562) |
| Child | Alice St John (1484 - 1552) |
| Child | Elizabeth St John (1488 - ) |
| Child | Sybil St John (1490 - ) |
| Child | Oliver St John (1492 - ) |
| Father | John St John Esq (1426 - 1488) |
| Mother | Alice Bradshaw (1433 - 1488) |
| Sibling | Margaret Saint john (1457 - ) |
| Sibling | Elizabeth Saint john (1448 - ) |
| Sibling | Morris Saint john (1459 - ) |
| Sibling | Eleanor Saint john (1455 - ) |
| Sibling | Anne St John (1460 - 1506) |
| Sibling | Eleanor St John (1455 - 1519) |
| Sibling | Elizabeth St John (1448 - ) |