Individual Details

John St John Esq

(31 Aug 1426 - Aft 1488)


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== Biography ==

===Name, Title, Places===
John Saint John was born about 1432-7, since he was aged 40 or over in 1482.

He was born August 31, 1426 (see data field) }
'''John Saint John''' is properly referred to as Esquire, not K.B, or "Sir," reflecting research by Douglas Richardson and others after the publication of Royal Ancestry. esquire, not knight, in a 2014 update from Douglas Richardson on information published in 2013's ''Royal Ancestry'' ([[#Richardson]]). See [[#2014info]] below.
The new research indicates that statements that he was "vested as a Knight Bachelor in 1488"The Peerage or "made a Knight of the Bath in 1488 by his nephew, King Henry VII"''Royal Ancestry,'' Vol IV, p 533 ([[#Richardson]]) appear to be inaccurate based on the 2014 information posted by Douglas Richardson ([[#2014info]]).

John Saint John was of:
:Bletsoe, Bedfordshire
:Paulerspury, Northamptonshire
:Fonman and Penmark, Glamorganshire, Wales

===Parentage===
John Saint John, Esq., was son of Sir Oliver and Margaret (Beauchamp) St John,information from Douglas Richardson's 2014 gen-medieval post ([[#2014info]]), ''Royal Ancestry'' ([[#Richardson]], 2013), and [[#Bartrum]]
His father was Sir [[St_John-246|Oliver Saint John]], son and heir of Sir John Saint John by Isabel Paveley (or Pavly). His mother was [[Beauchamp-82|Margaret Beauchamp]], daughter of Sir John Beauchamp of Bletsoe and his second wife Edith Stourton, daughter of Sir John Stourton by his 2nd wife Alice.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestory.net Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, pp 528-534 SAINT JOHN #15 Margaret Beauchamp #16 John Saint John

===First Marriage to Alice Bradshagh===
John Saint John, Esq., married first Alice Bradshagh. He and Alice had seven children.
Alice Bradshagh (or Bradschagh), was the daughter of Thomas Bradshagh of Haigh, Lancashire.
Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe in com. Bedfordshire, Knight, sonne & heire married Alice, dau of Sir Thomas Bradshawe in Hawe, com. Lancashire, Knight.Father of Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire m. Sibell, daugher of [Rice ap] Morgan ap Jenkyn ap Philippe. Frederick Augustus Blayden, Ed. St. John of Bletsoe; The Visitations of Bedfordshire, 1566, 1582, 1634. London, 1884. Pages 52-55https://archive.org/stream/visitationsofbed1921harv#page/n23/mode/2up. Accessed Dec 16, 2015.

===Second Marriage to Elizabeth Matthew===
John Saint John, Esq., married second Elizabeth Mathew. His widow Elizabeth married Richard Newton.information from Douglas Richardson's 2014 gen-medieval post ([[#2014info]]), ''Royal Ancestry'' ([[#Richardson]], 2013), and [[#Bartrum]]
Elizabeth was also known as Elizabeth ferch William Mathew Fawr

===1490 Death===
John Saint John died before February 9, 1489/90. His widow Elizabeth then married Richard Newton.information from Douglas Richardson's 2014 gen-medieval post ([[#2014info]]), ''Royal Ancestry'' ([[#Richardson]], 2013), and [[#Bartrum]]
John St John died after 1488;Entered by Richard Ragland, Jun 29, 2013 before February 9, 1489/90.
These dates regarding his death presumably reflect research more recent than, and replacing, the following dates in Royal Ancestry: *He presented to the churches of Paulersbury, Northamptonshire, 1487, 1509, 1512 and Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, 1496, 1507.
*He witnessed the 1505 will of John Day, of Souldrop, Bedfordshire.*He witnessed the 1518 will of Richard Percell, of Riseley, Bedfordshire*He served as one of the executors of his half-sister, Margaret Beaufort, Countess of Richmond, in 1509.*Sir John Saint John died in 1513-14, holding lands in Oxfordshire, Wiltshire, Northamptonshire, and Essex.

==Issue==

===Children of John and Alice===

They had two sons and five daughters.

John, Maurice, Ann, Elizabeth (kent), Eleanor, Margaret, nun.

#[[St John-158|John St John]], K.B.#[[Saint john-26|Morris or Maurice Saint John]]
#[[St John-412|Anne Saint John]]#[[Saint john-22|Elizabeth Saint john]], daughter of Alice Bradshaw. No spouse, No children on Wikitree. Elizabeth, married Thomas Kent, Esq.
# [[Saint john-24|Eleanor Saint John]] #[[Saint john-25|Margaret Saint John]], married John ap Morgan
#____, nun at Shaftesbury
In addition, Wikipedia identifies [[StJohn-33| Alice St. John ]] as the eldest daughter of Sir John St John (1426–1488) and his wife Alice Bradshaigh. Henry Parker, 10th Baron Morley. Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Parker,_10th_Baron_Morley. Accessed January 9, 2016

===Children of John and Elizabeth===
:'''}''': Later research has led Richardson to change his conclusion and in 2014Douglas Richardson's 2014 gen-medieval post ([[#2014info]]) he posted that the Elizabeth who married Richard Newton was John's widow, not his daughter.

John and Elizabeth had one daughter.

#Elizabeth, wife of Richard Newton

== Sources ==


* The Peerage for [http://www.thepeerage.com/p110.htm#i1091 Sir John St John] citing: ** G.E. Cokayne G.E., Gibbs, V., Doubleday, White, G.H., Duncan Warrand, D. & Walden, H. (2000). The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant., (Vol. XII/1, pp.121). Gloucester: Alan Sutton Publishing.** Weir, A. (1999). Britain's Royal Families: The Complete Genealogy, (pp.103). London: The Bodley Head.* [http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p786.htm#i23594 Sir John St. John], "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR; accessed October 13, 2015)* [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project] (digitization of "Welsh Genealogies AD 300- 1500" by Peter C. Bartrum): [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6495/ST.%20JOHN%201_1567.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y St. John 1]*2014 info: [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2014-09/1410553573 Rootsweb (gen-medieval) post] "New Light..." by Douglas Richardson, September 2014:

===Death===
:'''Conclusion''': "John Saint John, esquire (not knight) died before 9 Feb. 1489/90, and was survived by a wife, Elizabeth, who re-married Richard Newton."

===Marriage===
:'''Question''': "So did John Saint John, husband of Alice Bradshagh, actually marry (2nd) Elizabeth Mathew, by whom he had a son, Maurice (or Moris) and a daughter married to a Newton?" ([[#Bartrum]])
:"To answer that question, I turned to the online records of the Court of Common Pleas on the AALT website. In short order, I was able to locate three lawsuits which conclusively establish that John Saint John, esquire (not knight) died before 9 Feb. 1489/90, and was survived by a wife, Elizabeth, who re-married Richard Newton. In 1490 and again in 1492 Richard and Elizabeth sued for her dower in lands held by her previous husband, John Saint John. Brief abstracts of the lawsuits are provided below.
:"In 1490 Richard Neweton and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued her step-son, John Saint John, Knt., in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her reasonable dower in free tenements in Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire and Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. In 1492 Richard Neuton and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued Richard Emson and William Risley in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her dower in the third part of the manor of Paulerspury, Northamptonshire."

:References for the lawsuits:# Court of Common Pleas, CP40/911, [http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/H7/CP40no911/aCP40no911fronts/IMG_0307.htm image 307f]# Court of Common Pleas, CP40/911, [http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/H7/CP40no911/aCP40no911fronts/IMG_0679.htm image 679f]# Court of Common Pleas, CP40/919, [http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/H7/CP40no919/bCP40no919dorses/IMG_1035.htm image 1035d]
"I've copied below my current file account of John Saint John, Esq. I note that his surviving widow, Elizabeth (Mathew) (Saint John) Newton, left a PCC will proved in 1524, which I haven't yet examined. For the time being, I've assigned his son, Maurice Saint John, to his marriage with Elizabeth Mathew. [see his [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2014-09/1410553573 Rootsweb post]]
"For interest's sake, the following is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants who descend from John Saint John, Esq. (died before 9 Feb. 1489/90), and his 1st wife, Alice Bradshagh: [see next section]"

== Descendants: Magna Carta Connections ==

:Barbara Aubrey,
:William Bladen,
:George & Nehemiah Blakiston,
:Thomas Booth,
:Elizabeth,
:John, and Thomas Butler,
:Hannah, Samuel & Sarah Levis,
:Joseph & Mary Need,
:Elizabeth Saint John,
:Mary Johanna Somerset.

==Acknowledgements==
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== Biography ==

===Name, Title, Places===
John Saint John was born about 1432-7, since he was aged 40 or over in 1482.

He was born August 31, 1426 (see data field) }
'''John Saint John''' is properly referred to as Esquire, not K.B, or "Sir," reflecting research by Douglas Richardson and others after the publication of Royal Ancestry. esquire, not knight, in a 2014 update from Douglas Richardson on information published in 2013's ''Royal Ancestry'' ([[#Richardson]]). See [[#2014info]] below.
The new research indicates that statements that he was "vested as a Knight Bachelor in 1488"The Peerage or "made a Knight of the Bath in 1488 by his nephew, King Henry VII"''Royal Ancestry,'' Vol IV, p 533 ([[#Richardson]]) appear to be inaccurate based on the 2014 information posted by Douglas Richardson ([[#2014info]]).

John Saint John was of:
:Bletsoe, Bedfordshire
:Paulerspury, Northamptonshire
:Fonman and Penmark, Glamorganshire, Wales

===Parentage===
John Saint John, Esq., was son of Sir Oliver and Margaret (Beauchamp) St John,information from Douglas Richardson's 2014 gen-medieval post ([[#2014info]]), ''Royal Ancestry'' ([[#Richardson]], 2013), and [[#Bartrum]]
His father was Sir [[St_John-246|Oliver Saint John]], son and heir of Sir John Saint John by Isabel Paveley (or Pavly). His mother was [[Beauchamp-82|Margaret Beauchamp]], daughter of Sir John Beauchamp of Bletsoe and his second wife Edith Stourton, daughter of Sir John Stourton by his 2nd wife Alice.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestory.net Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, pp 528-534 SAINT JOHN #15 Margaret Beauchamp #16 John Saint John

===First Marriage to Alice Bradshagh===
John Saint John, Esq., married first Alice Bradshagh. He and Alice had seven children.
Alice Bradshagh (or Bradschagh), was the daughter of Thomas Bradshagh of Haigh, Lancashire.
Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe in com. Bedfordshire, Knight, sonne & heire married Alice, dau of Sir Thomas Bradshawe in Hawe, com. Lancashire, Knight.Father of Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire m. Sibell, daugher of [Rice ap] Morgan ap Jenkyn ap Philippe. Frederick Augustus Blayden, Ed. St. John of Bletsoe; The Visitations of Bedfordshire, 1566, 1582, 1634. London, 1884. Pages 52-55https://archive.org/stream/visitationsofbed1921harv#page/n23/mode/2up. Accessed Dec 16, 2015.

===Second Marriage to Elizabeth Matthew===
John Saint John, Esq., married second Elizabeth Mathew. His widow Elizabeth married Richard Newton.information from Douglas Richardson's 2014 gen-medieval post ([[#2014info]]), ''Royal Ancestry'' ([[#Richardson]], 2013), and [[#Bartrum]]
Elizabeth was also known as Elizabeth ferch William Mathew Fawr

===1490 Death===
John Saint John died before February 9, 1489/90. His widow Elizabeth then married Richard Newton.information from Douglas Richardson's 2014 gen-medieval post ([[#2014info]]), ''Royal Ancestry'' ([[#Richardson]], 2013), and [[#Bartrum]]
John St John died after 1488;Entered by Richard Ragland, Jun 29, 2013 before February 9, 1489/90.
These dates regarding his death presumably reflect research more recent than, and replacing, the following dates in Royal Ancestry: *He presented to the churches of Paulersbury, Northamptonshire, 1487, 1509, 1512 and Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, 1496, 1507.
*He witnessed the 1505 will of John Day, of Souldrop, Bedfordshire.*He witnessed the 1518 will of Richard Percell, of Riseley, Bedfordshire*He served as one of the executors of his half-sister, Margaret Beaufort, Countess of Richmond, in 1509.*Sir John Saint John died in 1513-14, holding lands in Oxfordshire, Wiltshire, Northamptonshire, and Essex.

==Issue==

===Children of John and Alice===

They had two sons and five daughters.

John, Maurice, Ann, Elizabeth (kent), Eleanor, Margaret, nun.

#[[St John-158|John St John]], K.B.#[[Saint john-26|Morris or Maurice Saint John]]
#[[St John-412|Anne Saint John]]#[[Saint john-22|Elizabeth Saint john]], daughter of Alice Bradshaw. No spouse, No children on Wikitree. Elizabeth, married Thomas Kent, Esq.
# [[Saint john-24|Eleanor Saint John]] #[[Saint john-25|Margaret Saint John]], married John ap Morgan
#____, nun at Shaftesbury
In addition, Wikipedia identifies [[StJohn-33| Alice St. John ]] as the eldest daughter of Sir John St John (1426-1488) and his wife Alice Bradshaigh. Henry Parker, 10th Baron Morley. Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Parker,_10th_Baron_Morley. Accessed January 9, 2016

===Children of John and Elizabeth===
:'''}''': Later research has led Richardson to change his conclusion and in 2014Douglas Richardson's 2014 gen-medieval post ([[#2014info]]) he posted that the Elizabeth who married Richard Newton was John's widow, not his daughter.

John and Elizabeth had one daughter.

#Elizabeth, wife of Richard Newton

== Sources ==


* The Peerage for [http://www.thepeerage.com/p110.htm#i1091 Sir John St John] citing: ** G.E. Cokayne G.E., Gibbs, V., Doubleday, White, G.H., Duncan Warrand, D. & Walden, H. (2000). The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant., (Vol. XII/1, pp.121). Gloucester: Alan Sutton Publishing.** Weir, A. (1999). Britain's Royal Families: The Complete Genealogy, (pp.103). London: The Bodley Head.* [http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p786.htm#i23594 Sir John St. John], "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR; accessed October 13, 2015)* [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project] (digitization of "Welsh Genealogies AD 300- 1500" by Peter C. Bartrum): [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6495/ST.%20JOHN%201_1567.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y St. John 1]*2014 info: [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2014-09/1410553573 Rootsweb (gen-medieval) post] "New Light..." by Douglas Richardson, September 2014:

===Death===
:'''Conclusion''': "John Saint John, esquire (not knight) died before 9 Feb. 1489/90, and was survived by a wife, Elizabeth, who re-married Richard Newton."

===Marriage===
:'''Question''': "So did John Saint John, husband of Alice Bradshagh, actually marry (2nd) Elizabeth Mathew, by whom he had a son, Maurice (or Moris) and a daughter married to a Newton?" ([[#Bartrum]])
:"To answer that question, I turned to the online records of the Court of Common Pleas on the AALT website. In short order, I was able to locate three lawsuits which conclusively establish that John Saint John, esquire (not knight) died before 9 Feb. 1489/90, and was survived by a wife, Elizabeth, who re-married Richard Newton. In 1490 and again in 1492 Richard and Elizabeth sued for her dower in lands held by her previous husband, John Saint John. Brief abstracts of the lawsuits are provided below.
:"In 1490 Richard Neweton and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued her step-son, John Saint John, Knt., in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her reasonable dower in free tenements in Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire and Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. In 1492 Richard Neuton and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued Richard Emson and William Risley in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her dower in the third part of the manor of Paulerspury, Northamptonshire."

:References for the lawsuits:# Court of Common Pleas, CP40/911, [http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/H7/CP40no911/aCP40no911fronts/IMG_0307.htm image 307f]# Court of Common Pleas, CP40/911, [http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/H7/CP40no911/aCP40no911fronts/IMG_0679.htm image 679f]# Court of Common Pleas, CP40/919, [http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/H7/CP40no919/bCP40no919dorses/IMG_1035.htm image 1035d]
"I've copied below my current file account of John Saint John, Esq. I note that his surviving widow, Elizabeth (Mathew) (Saint John) Newton, left a PCC will proved in 1524, which I haven't yet examined. For the time being, I've assigned his son, Maurice Saint John, to his marriage with Elizabeth Mathew. [see his [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2014-09/1410553573 Rootsweb post]]
"For interest's sake, the following is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants who descend from John Saint John, Esq. (died before 9 Feb. 1489/90), and his 1st wife, Alice Bradshagh: [see next section]"

== Descendants: Magna Carta Connections ==

:Barbara Aubrey,
:William Bladen,
:George & Nehemiah Blakiston,
:Thomas Booth,
:Elizabeth,
:John, and Thomas Butler,
:Hannah, Samuel & Sarah Levis,
:Joseph & Mary Need,
:Elizabeth Saint John,
:Mary Johanna Somerset.

==Acknowledgements==
[http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Styles_and_Standards Style Standards] applied. Click the [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:NetworkFeed&who=St_John-118 Changes tab] to see edits to this profile; from that list, click WikiTree IDs other than St_John-118 to see changes to those profiles prior to being merged.
Thank you to everyone who contributed to this profile.

}
== Biography ==

===Name, Title, Places===
John Saint John was born about 1432-7, since he was aged 40 or over in 1482.

He was born August 31, 1426 (see data field) }
'''John Saint John''' is properly referred to as Esquire, not K.B, or "Sir," reflecting research by Douglas Richardson and others after the publication of Royal Ancestry. esquire, not knight, in a 2014 update from Douglas Richardson on information published in 2013's ''Royal Ancestry'' ([[#Richardson]]). See [[#2014info]] below.
The new research indicates that statements that he was "vested as a Knight Bachelor in 1488"The Peerage or "made a Knight of the Bath in 1488 by his nephew, King Henry VII"''Royal Ancestry,'' Vol IV, p 533 ([[#Richardson]]) appear to be inaccurate based on the 2014 information posted by Douglas Richardson ([[#2014info]]).

John Saint John was of:
:Bletsoe, Bedfordshire
:Paulerspury, Northamptonshire
:Fonman and Penmark, Glamorganshire, Wales

===Parentage===
John Saint John, Esq., was son of Sir Oliver and Margaret (Beauchamp) St John,information from Douglas Richardson's 2014 gen-medieval post ([[#2014info]]), ''Royal Ancestry'' ([[#Richardson]], 2013), and [[#Bartrum]]
His father was Sir [[St_John-246|Oliver Saint John]], son and heir of Sir John Saint John by Isabel Paveley (or Pavly). His mother was [[Beauchamp-82|Margaret Beauchamp]], daughter of Sir John Beauchamp of Bletsoe and his second wife Edith Stourton, daughter of Sir John Stourton by his 2nd wife Alice.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestory.net Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, pp 528-534 SAINT JOHN #15 Margaret Beauchamp #16 John Saint John

===First Marriage to Alice Bradshagh===
John Saint John, Esq., married first Alice Bradshagh. He and Alice had seven children.
Alice Bradshagh (or Bradschagh), was the daughter of Thomas Bradshagh of Haigh, Lancashire.
Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe in com. Bedfordshire, Knight, sonne & heire married Alice, dau of Sir Thomas Bradshawe in Hawe, com. Lancashire, Knight.Father of Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire m. Sibell, daugher of [Rice ap] Morgan ap Jenkyn ap Philippe. Frederick Augustus Blayden, Ed. St. John of Bletsoe; The Visitations of Bedfordshire, 1566, 1582, 1634. London, 1884. Pages 52-55https://archive.org/stream/visitationsofbed1921harv#page/n23/mode/2up. Accessed Dec 16, 2015.

===Second Marriage to Elizabeth Matthew===
John Saint John, Esq., married second Elizabeth Mathew. His widow Elizabeth married Richard Newton.information from Douglas Richardson's 2014 gen-medieval post ([[#2014info]]), ''Royal Ancestry'' ([[#Richardson]], 2013), and [[#Bartrum]]
Elizabeth was also known as Elizabeth ferch William Mathew Fawr

===1490 Death===
John Saint John died before February 9, 1489/90. His widow Elizabeth then married Richard Newton.information from Douglas Richardson's 2014 gen-medieval post ([[#2014info]]), ''Royal Ancestry'' ([[#Richardson]], 2013), and [[#Bartrum]]
John St John died after 1488;Entered by Richard Ragland, Jun 29, 2013 before February 9, 1489/90.
These dates regarding his death presumably reflect research more recent than, and replacing, the following dates in Royal Ancestry: *He presented to the churches of Paulersbury, Northamptonshire, 1487, 1509, 1512 and Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, 1496, 1507.
*He witnessed the 1505 will of John Day, of Souldrop, Bedfordshire.*He witnessed the 1518 will of Richard Percell, of Riseley, Bedfordshire*He served as one of the executors of his half-sister, Margaret Beaufort, Countess of Richmond, in 1509.*Sir John Saint John died in 1513-14, holding lands in Oxfordshire, Wiltshire, Northamptonshire, and Essex.

==Issue==

===Children of John and Alice===

They had two sons and five daughters.

John, Maurice, Ann, Elizabeth (kent), Eleanor, Margaret, nun.

#[[St John-158|John St John]], K.B.#[[Saint john-26|Morris or Maurice Saint John]]
#[[St John-412|Anne Saint John]]#[[Saint john-22|Elizabeth Saint john]], daughter of Alice Bradshaw. No spouse, No children on Wikitree. Elizabeth, married Thomas Kent, Esq.
# [[Saint john-24|Eleanor Saint John]] #[[Saint john-25|Margaret Saint John]], married John ap Morgan
#____, nun at Shaftesbury
In addition, Wikipedia identifies [[StJohn-33| Alice St. John ]] as the eldest daughter of Sir John St John (1426-1488) and his wife Alice Bradshaigh. Henry Parker, 10th Baron Morley. Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Parker,_10th_Baron_Morley. Accessed January 9, 2016

===Children of John and Elizabeth===
:'''}''': Later research has led Richardson to change his conclusion and in 2014Douglas Richardson's 2014 gen-medieval post ([[#2014info]]) he posted that the Elizabeth who married Richard Newton was John's widow, not his daughter.

John and Elizabeth had one daughter.

#Elizabeth, wife of Richard Newton

== Sources ==


* The Peerage for [http://www.thepeerage.com/p110.htm#i1091 Sir John St John] citing: ** G.E. Cokayne G.E., Gibbs, V., Doubleday, White, G.H., Duncan Warrand, D. & Walden, H. (2000). The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant., (Vol. XII/1, pp.121). Gloucester: Alan Sutton Publishing.** Weir, A. (1999). Britain's Royal Families: The Complete Genealogy, (pp.103). London: The Bodley Head.* [http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p786.htm#i23594 Sir John St. John], "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR; accessed October 13, 2015)* [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project] (digitization of "Welsh Genealogies AD 300- 1500" by Peter C. Bartrum): [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6495/ST.%20JOHN%201_1567.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y St. John 1]*2014 info: [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2014-09/1410553573 Rootsweb (gen-medieval) post] "New Light..." by Douglas Richardson, September 2014:

===Death===
:'''Conclusion''': "John Saint John, esquire (not knight) died before 9 Feb. 1489/90, and was survived by a wife, Elizabeth, who re-married Richard Newton."

===Marriage===
:'''Question''': "So did John Saint John, husband of Alice Bradshagh, actually marry (2nd) Elizabeth Mathew, by whom he had a son, Maurice (or Moris) and a daughter married to a Newton?" ([[#Bartrum]])
:"To answer that question, I turned to the online records of the Court of Common Pleas on the AALT website. In short order, I was able to locate three lawsuits which conclusively establish that John Saint John, esquire (not knight) died before 9 Feb. 1489/90, and was survived by a wife, Elizabeth, who re-married Richard Newton. In 1490 and again in 1492 Richard and Elizabeth sued for her dower in lands held by her previous husband, John Saint John. Brief abstracts of the lawsuits are provided below.
:"In 1490 Richard Neweton and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued her step-son, John Saint John, Knt., in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her reasonable dower in free tenements in Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire and Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. In 1492 Richard Neuton and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued Richard Emson and William Risley in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her dower in the third part of the manor of Paulerspury, Northamptonshire."

:References for the lawsuits:# Court of Common Pleas, CP40/911, [http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/H7/CP40no911/aCP40no911fronts/IMG_0307.htm image 307f]# Court of Common Pleas, CP40/911, [http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/H7/CP40no911/aCP40no911fronts/IMG_0679.htm image 679f]# Court of Common Pleas, CP40/919, [http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/H7/CP40no919/bCP40no919dorses/IMG_1035.htm image 1035d]
"I've copied below my current file account of John Saint John, Esq. I note that his surviving widow, Elizabeth (Mathew) (Saint John) Newton, left a PCC will proved in 1524, which I haven't yet examined. For the time being, I've assigned his son, Maurice Saint John, to his marriage with Elizabeth Mathew. [see his [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2014-09/1410553573 Rootsweb post]]
"For interest's sake, the following is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants who descend from John Saint John, Esq. (died before 9 Feb. 1489/90), and his 1st wife, Alice Bradshagh: [see next section]"

== Descendants: Magna Carta Connections ==

:Barbara Aubrey,
:William Bladen,
:George & Nehemiah Blakiston,
:Thomas Booth,
:Elizabeth,
:John, and Thomas Butler,
:Hannah, Samuel & Sarah Levis,
:Joseph & Mary Need,
:Elizabeth Saint John,
:Mary Johanna Somerset.

==Acknowledgements==
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== Biography ==

===Name, Title, Places===
John Saint John was born about 1432-7, since he was aged 40 or over in 1482.

He was born August 31, 1426 (see data field) }
'''John Saint John''' is properly referred to as Esquire, not K.B, or "Sir," reflecting research by Douglas Richardson and others after the publication of Royal Ancestry. esquire, not knight, in a 2014 update from Douglas Richardson on information published in 2013's ''Royal Ancestry'' ([[#Richardson]]). See [[#2014info]] below.
The new research indicates that statements that he was "vested as a Knight Bachelor in 1488"The Peerage or "made a Knight of the Bath in 1488 by his nephew, King Henry VII"''Royal Ancestry,'' Vol IV, p 533 ([[#Richardson]]) appear to be inaccurate based on the 2014 information posted by Douglas Richardson ([[#2014info]]).

John Saint John was of:
:Bletsoe, Bedfordshire
:Paulerspury, Northamptonshire
:Fonman and Penmark, Glamorganshire, Wales

===Parentage===
John Saint John, Esq., was son of Sir Oliver and Margaret (Beauchamp) St John,information from Douglas Richardson's 2014 gen-medieval post ([[#2014info]]), ''Royal Ancestry'' ([[#Richardson]], 2013), and [[#Bartrum]]
His father was Sir [[St_John-246|Oliver Saint John]], son and heir of Sir John Saint John by Isabel Paveley (or Pavly). His mother was [[Beauchamp-82|Margaret Beauchamp]], daughter of Sir John Beauchamp of Bletsoe and his second wife Edith Stourton, daughter of Sir John Stourton by his 2nd wife Alice.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestory.net Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, pp 528-534 SAINT JOHN #15 Margaret Beauchamp #16 John Saint John

===First Marriage to Alice Bradshagh===
John Saint John, Esq., married first Alice Bradshagh. He and Alice had seven children.
Alice Bradshagh (or Bradschagh), was the daughter of Thomas Bradshagh of Haigh, Lancashire.
Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe in com. Bedfordshire, Knight, sonne & heire married Alice, dau of Sir Thomas Bradshawe in Hawe, com. Lancashire, Knight.Father of Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe, Knight, sonne & heire m. Sibell, daugher of [Rice ap] Morgan ap Jenkyn ap Philippe. Frederick Augustus Blayden, Ed. St. John of Bletsoe; The Visitations of Bedfordshire, 1566, 1582, 1634. London, 1884. Pages 52-55https://archive.org/stream/visitationsofbed1921harv#page/n23/mode/2up. Accessed Dec 16, 2015.

===Second Marriage to Elizabeth Matthew===
John Saint John, Esq., married second Elizabeth Mathew. His widow Elizabeth married Richard Newton.information from Douglas Richardson's 2014 gen-medieval post ([[#2014info]]), ''Royal Ancestry'' ([[#Richardson]], 2013), and [[#Bartrum]]
Elizabeth was also known as Elizabeth ferch William Mathew Fawr

===1490 Death===
John Saint John died before February 9, 1489/90. His widow Elizabeth then married Richard Newton.information from Douglas Richardson's 2014 gen-medieval post ([[#2014info]]), ''Royal Ancestry'' ([[#Richardson]], 2013), and [[#Bartrum]]
John St John died after 1488;Entered by Richard Ragland, Jun 29, 2013 before February 9, 1489/90.
These dates regarding his death presumably reflect research more recent than, and replacing, the following dates in Royal Ancestry: *He presented to the churches of Paulersbury, Northamptonshire, 1487, 1509, 1512 and Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, 1496, 1507.
*He witnessed the 1505 will of John Day, of Souldrop, Bedfordshire.*He witnessed the 1518 will of Richard Percell, of Riseley, Bedfordshire*He served as one of the executors of his half-sister, Margaret Beaufort, Countess of Richmond, in 1509.*Sir John Saint John died in 1513-14, holding lands in Oxfordshire, Wiltshire, Northamptonshire, and Essex.

==Issue==

===Children of John and Alice===

They had two sons and five daughters.

John, Maurice, Ann, Elizabeth (kent), Eleanor, Margaret, nun.

#[[St John-158|John St John]], K.B.#[[Saint john-26|Morris or Maurice Saint John]]
#[[St John-412|Anne Saint John]]#[[Saint john-22|Elizabeth Saint john]], daughter of Alice Bradshaw. No spouse, No children on Wikitree. Elizabeth, married Thomas Kent, Esq.
# [[Saint john-24|Eleanor Saint John]] #[[Saint john-25|Margaret Saint John]], married John ap Morgan
#____, nun at Shaftesbury
In addition, Wikipedia identifies [[StJohn-33| Alice St. John ]] as the eldest daughter of Sir John St John (1426–1488) and his wife Alice Bradshaigh. Henry Parker, 10th Baron Morley. Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Parker,_10th_Baron_Morley. Accessed January 9, 2016

===Children of John and Elizabeth===
:'''}''': Later research has led Richardson to change his conclusion and in 2014Douglas Richardson's 2014 gen-medieval post ([[#2014info]]) he posted that the Elizabeth who married Richard Newton was John's widow, not his daughter.

John and Elizabeth had one daughter.

#Elizabeth, wife of Richard Newton

== Sources ==


* The Peerage for [http://www.thepeerage.com/p110.htm#i1091 Sir John St John] citing: ** G.E. Cokayne G.E., Gibbs, V., Doubleday, White, G.H., Duncan Warrand, D. & Walden, H. (2000). The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant., (Vol. XII/1, pp.121). Gloucester: Alan Sutton Publishing.** Weir, A. (1999). Britain's Royal Families: The Complete Genealogy, (pp.103). London: The Bodley Head.* [http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p786.htm#i23594 Sir John St. John], "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR; accessed October 13, 2015)* [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project] (digitization of "Welsh Genealogies AD 300- 1500" by Peter C. Bartrum): [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6495/ST.%20JOHN%201_1567.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y St. John 1]*2014 info: [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2014-09/1410553573 Rootsweb (gen-medieval) post] "New Light..." by Douglas Richardson, September 2014:

===Death===
:'''Conclusion''': "John Saint John, esquire (not knight) died before 9 Feb. 1489/90, and was survived by a wife, Elizabeth, who re-married Richard Newton."

===Marriage===
:'''Question''': "So did John Saint John, husband of Alice Bradshagh, actually marry (2nd) Elizabeth Mathew, by whom he had a son, Maurice (or Moris) and a daughter married to a Newton?" ([[#Bartrum]])
:"To answer that question, I turned to the online records of the Court of Common Pleas on the AALT website. In short order, I was able to locate three lawsuits which conclusively establish that John Saint John, esquire (not knight) died before 9 Feb. 1489/90, and was survived by a wife, Elizabeth, who re-married Richard Newton. In 1490 and again in 1492 Richard and Elizabeth sued for her dower in lands held by her previous husband, John Saint John. Brief abstracts of the lawsuits are provided below.
:"In 1490 Richard Neweton and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued her step-son, John Saint John, Knt., in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her reasonable dower in free tenements in Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire and Paulerspury, Northamptonshire. In 1492 Richard Neuton and his wife, Elizabeth, widow of John Saint John, Esq., sued Richard Emson and William Risley in the Court of Common Pleas regarding her dower in the third part of the manor of Paulerspury, Northamptonshire."

:References for the lawsuits:# Court of Common Pleas, CP40/911, [http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/H7/CP40no911/aCP40no911fronts/IMG_0307.htm image 307f]# Court of Common Pleas, CP40/911, [http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/H7/CP40no911/aCP40no911fronts/IMG_0679.htm image 679f]# Court of Common Pleas, CP40/919, [http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/H7/CP40no919/bCP40no919dorses/IMG_1035.htm image 1035d]
"I've copied below my current file account of John Saint John, Esq. I note that his surviving widow, Elizabeth (Mathew) (Saint John) Newton, left a PCC will proved in 1524, which I haven't yet examined. For the time being, I've assigned his son, Maurice Saint John, to his marriage with Elizabeth Mathew. [see his [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2014-09/1410553573 Rootsweb post]]
"For interest's sake, the following is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants who descend from John Saint John, Esq. (died before 9 Feb. 1489/90), and his 1st wife, Alice Bradshagh: [see next section]"

== Descendants: Magna Carta Connections ==

:Barbara Aubrey,
:William Bladen,
:George & Nehemiah Blakiston,
:Thomas Booth,
:Elizabeth,
:John, and Thomas Butler,
:Hannah, Samuel & Sarah Levis,
:Joseph & Mary Need,
:Elizabeth Saint John,
:Mary Johanna Somerset.

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    Events

    Birth31 Aug 1426Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, England
    Marriage1454Bedfordshire, England - Alice Bradshaw
    DeathAft 1488Bledsoe, Bedfordshire, England
    Alt nameJohn St John
    Reference No3545302
    Reference No3601181
    Reference No60

    Families

    SpouseAlice Bradshaw (1433 - 1488)
    ChildMargaret Saint john (1457 - )
    ChildElizabeth Saint john (1448 - )
    ChildMorris Saint john (1459 - )
    ChildJohn St. John (1460 - 1525)
    ChildEleanor Saint john (1455 - )
    ChildAnne St John (1460 - 1506)
    ChildEleanor St John (1455 - 1519)
    ChildElizabeth St John (1448 - )
    FatherOliver St John (1400 - 1440)
    MotherMargaret Beauchamp (1416 - 1482)
    SiblingOliver Saint John (1428 - 1497)
    SiblingEdith St John (1430 - )
    SiblingElizabeth St John (1432 - 1494)
    SiblingMary St John (1434 - )
    SiblingMargaret St John (1436 - 1492)
    SiblingSir Oliver St John (1428 - 1497)
    SiblingAgnes St John (1438 - )