Individual Details
Margred ferch Morgan
(Abt 1462 - Abt 1524)
[[Category: Cymru 742-1535]]}
}
== Biography ==
===Name===
Margred [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5005/Godwin%208.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Godwin 8], [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/4939/godwin%205.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Godwin 5], and [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5227/Cydifor%20Fawr%2016.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Cydifor Fawr 16] (charts posted by [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project])
Sibyl (or Margaret) ferch Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip. Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, Salt Lake City, Utah: IV, 534
===Date Estimation===
Margred's husband was living in 1501 and made his will in 1525. Their son Alexander was an executor, therefore over 21, in his father's 1525 will. Alexander in 1530 married Jane, a widow.
Estimate Jane's age at 25 at her second marriage in 1530, and Alexander aged 30, therefore born 1500. Alexander was the third son, perhaps the 5th child. Estimate the births of children 1-4 at two year intervals as 1492, 1494, 1496, 1498, and therefore place the marriage year of Margret and John at 1491. If she was 18 at marriage, her birth year would have been 1473. Her 8 children would have been born over a 16 year span from 1492 to 1508, and her death not earlier than 1508.
Her marriage is currently (October 2, 2016) shown, without source, as 1483. If this is true, it would place her children's birth years back 10 years -- 1502-1518, and make Alexander a 20 year old rather than a 30 year old when he married a young widow. The 1483 marriage year is therefore questionable, but may be true depending on source and other facts.
If Margred died early while her children were small, it is likely her husband would have remarried, but there is no record of him doing so; therefore we can presume she lived during her children's childhood. Richardson does not mention her being named in her husband's 1525 will, so she may have predeceased him. Therefore place her death at 1524.
As of October 2, 2016, WikiTree shows children born beginning in 1480 and an unsourced birth year of 1462.
Analysis by [[Day-1904|Jack Day]], October 2, 2016.
===Parentage===
She was the daughter of Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, Esq, of Langstone, Monmouthshire, by his 2nd wife Margred, daughter of Dafydd Matthew, Knt.
Morgan ap Jenkin was Lord of Langstone, a manor to the east of Newport in Monmouthshire.
===Marriage===
She married John Saint John, K. B. of Bletsoe, Keysoe, Riseley, and Sharnbrook, Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire, 1501-2, 1515-16, son and heir by his father's 1st marriage.
===Husband's Death===
Sir John St. John left a will dated 22 March 1524/5, proved 23 May 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
==Issue==
Sir John Saint John, K. B., and his wife Sybil/Margred ferch Morgan had three sons and five daughters: Childrens' birth year shown by WikiTree on October 2, 2016 are shown; these are possibly unsourced and subject to further review.
#[[St. John-69|John St John]], Knt.... or [[St John-186|John St John]] of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, married Margaret Waldegrave. Currently shown born 1495.
#[[St John-417|Oliver St John]], currently shown born 1492#[[St John-155|Alexander St John]], Esq....of Thurleigh, Bedfordshire, 3rd son. He was a legatee in the 1509 will of William Morgan, Doctor of Law. He was a legaee and named one of the executors in the 1525 will of his father. He married by license dated 18 Nov 1530 Jane (or Joan) Dalison, widow of Thomas Levanthrpe, Esq (died 1527)... Currently shown born 1494.#[[St John-415|Elizabeth St John]], wife of Thomas Rotheram, Knight. Currently shown born 1488.#[[St John-414|Alice St John]], wife of Henry Parker, Knight, 10th Lord Morley. Currently shown born 1487.#[[St John-110|Margaret St John]], married Thomas Gamage, Knt., of Coity, Glamorgan. Currently shown born 1480.
: Other Children attached to this couple by WikiTree
#[[St John-113| Catherine St John]] married Rhys, currently shown born 1496.
#[[St John-416|Sybil St John]], currently shown born 1490
== Sources ==
See also:
* The Tudor Place for [http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/MORGAN.htm#Sybil%20Verch%20MORGAN1 Sybil verch Morgan]
* Richardson's ''Magna Carta Ancestry'' - p [https://books.google.com/books?id=8JcbV309c5UC&pg=RA2-PA479&lpg=RA2-PA479&dq=margaret+ferch+morgan+Gamage&source=bl&ots=kvkINWLT99&sig=ZLfmhaAepPZ8oJzU-skIY8fYC6s&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yCajVanyM4broAS0jKngDA&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=margaret%20ferch%20morgan%20Gamage&f=false 479]:
=== Acknowledgements ===:Click the [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:NetworkFeed&who=ferch_Beville-5 Changes tab] to see edits to this profile; click [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:NetworkFeed&who=Morgan-396 here] to see edits to the previous profile, Morgan-396. From that list, click WikiTree IDs other than Morgan-396 to see changes to those profiles prior to being merged. Thank you to everyone who contributed to this profile.
-- MERGED NOTE ------------
[[Category: Cymru 742-1535 Project]]
}
}
== Biography ==
}Margred, [https://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5005/Godwin%208.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Godwin 8], [https://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/4939/godwin%205.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Godwin 5], and [https://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5227/Cydifor%20Fawr%2016.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Cydifor Fawr 16] (charts posted by [https://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]) Sibyl (or Margaret) ferch Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip.Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, Salt Lake City, Utah: IV, 534 [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76155984 wikidata] and [http://www.thepeerage.com/p10274.htm#i102736 her entry in thepeerage.com] (source for wikidata as of 15 Jan. 2020) do not call her Margred, just Sybil. Note that thepeerage.com is not considered a reliable source (see, for example, Magna Carta Project's [[Space:Magna Carta Project Reliable Sources|Reliable Sources page]]).
She was the daughter of Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, Esq, of Langstone, Monmouthshire, by his 2nd wife Margred, daughter of Dafydd Matthew, Knt. Morgan ap Jenkin was Lord of Langstone, a manor to the east of Newport in Monmouthshire.
She married John Saint John, K.B., of Bletsoe, Keysoe, Riseley, and Sharnbrook, Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire, son and heir by his father's 1st marriage. They had three sons and five daughters.
'''Children''':
: ''Sons''#[[St. John-69|John St John]], Knt.... or [[St John-186|John St John]] of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, married Margaret Waldegrave.
#[[St John-417|Oliver St John]]#[[St John-155|Alexander St John]], Esq....of Thurleigh, Bedfordshire, 3rd son. He was a legatee in the 1509 will of William Morgan, Doctor of Law. He was a legaee and named one of the executors in the 1525 will of his father. He married by license dated 18 Nov 1530 Jane (or Joan) Dalison, widow of Thomas Levanthrpe, Esq (died 1527)...
: ''Daughters''
#[[St John-415|Elizabeth St John]], wife of Thomas Rotheram, Knight. #[[St John-414|Alice St John]], wife of Henry Parker, Knight, 10th Lord Morley. #[[St John-110|Margaret St John]], married Thomas Gamage, Knt., of Coity, Glamorgan. # unnamed daughterRichardson names only three of their five daughters [need to verify-[[Noland-165|ls]], 22 March 2020]
# unnamed daughter
Sir John Saint John left a will dated 22 March 1524/5, proved 23 May 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
== Research Notes ==
'''Date Estimation'''
: Margred's husband was living in 1501 and made his will in 1525. Their son Alexander was an executor, therefore over 21, in his father's 1525 will. Alexander in 1530 married Jane, a widow.
: Estimate Jane's age at 25 at her second marriage in 1530, and Alexander aged 30, therefore born 1500. Alexander was the third son, perhaps the 5th child. Estimate the births of children 1-4 at two year intervals as 1492, 1494, 1496, 1498, and therefore place the marriage year of Margret and John at 1491. If she was 18 at marriage, her birth year would have been 1473. Her 8 children would have been born over a 16 year span from 1492 to 1508, and her death not earlier than 1508.
: Her marriage is currently (October 2, 2016) shown, without source, as 1483.The Tudor Place entry for [http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/MORGAN.htm#Sybil%20Verch%20MORGAN1 Sybil verch Morgan] gives 1483 as their marriage date, but that site is considered to be an unreliable source (see the Magna Carta Project's [[Space:Magna Carta Project Reliable Sources|Reliable Sources page]]). This database is also the apparent source for Catherine and Sybil as daughters & possibly the source of the dates that had been given for all of John and Margred/Sybil's children. If this is true, it would place her children's birth years back 10 years -- 1502-1518, and make Alexander a 20 year old rather than a 30 year old when he married a young widow. The 1483 marriage year is therefore questionable, but may be true depending on source and other facts.
: If Margred died early while her children were small, it is likely her husband would have remarried, but there is no record of him doing so; therefore we can presume she lived during her children's childhood. Richardson does not mention her being named in her husband's 1525 will, so she may have predeceased him. Therefore place her death at 1524.
: As of October 2, 2016, WikiTree shows children born beginning in 1480 and an unsourced birth year of 1462.
Analysis by [[Day-1904|Jack Day]], October 2, 2016.
'''Additional Notes about Children'''
: Childrens' birth year shown by WikiTree on October 2, 2016 are possibly unsourced and subject to further review (see the Changes for this page, 22 March 2020, or their profiles for the dates given).
: Other Children attached to this couple by WikiTree#[[St John-113|Catherine St John]] married Rhys, currently shown born 1496.
#[[St John-416|Sybil St John]], currently shown born 1490
== Sources ==
== Acknowledgements ==:Click the [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:NetworkFeed&who=ferch_Beville-5 Changes tab] to see edits to this profile; click [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:NetworkFeed&who=Morgan-396 here] to see edits to the previous profile, Morgan-396. From that list, click WikiTree IDs other than Morgan-396 to see changes to those profiles prior to being merged. Thank you to everyone who contributed to this profile.
}
== Biography ==
===Name===
Margred [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5005/Godwin%208.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Godwin 8], [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/4939/godwin%205.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Godwin 5], and [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5227/Cydifor%20Fawr%2016.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Cydifor Fawr 16] (charts posted by [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project])
Sibyl (or Margaret) ferch Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip. Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, Salt Lake City, Utah: IV, 534
===Date Estimation===
Margred's husband was living in 1501 and made his will in 1525. Their son Alexander was an executor, therefore over 21, in his father's 1525 will. Alexander in 1530 married Jane, a widow.
Estimate Jane's age at 25 at her second marriage in 1530, and Alexander aged 30, therefore born 1500. Alexander was the third son, perhaps the 5th child. Estimate the births of children 1-4 at two year intervals as 1492, 1494, 1496, 1498, and therefore place the marriage year of Margret and John at 1491. If she was 18 at marriage, her birth year would have been 1473. Her 8 children would have been born over a 16 year span from 1492 to 1508, and her death not earlier than 1508.
Her marriage is currently (October 2, 2016) shown, without source, as 1483. If this is true, it would place her children's birth years back 10 years -- 1502-1518, and make Alexander a 20 year old rather than a 30 year old when he married a young widow. The 1483 marriage year is therefore questionable, but may be true depending on source and other facts.
If Margred died early while her children were small, it is likely her husband would have remarried, but there is no record of him doing so; therefore we can presume she lived during her children's childhood. Richardson does not mention her being named in her husband's 1525 will, so she may have predeceased him. Therefore place her death at 1524.
As of October 2, 2016, WikiTree shows children born beginning in 1480 and an unsourced birth year of 1462.
Analysis by [[Day-1904|Jack Day]], October 2, 2016.
===Parentage===
She was the daughter of Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, Esq, of Langstone, Monmouthshire, by his 2nd wife Margred, daughter of Dafydd Matthew, Knt.
Morgan ap Jenkin was Lord of Langstone, a manor to the east of Newport in Monmouthshire.
===Marriage===
She married John Saint John, K. B. of Bletsoe, Keysoe, Riseley, and Sharnbrook, Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire, 1501-2, 1515-16, son and heir by his father's 1st marriage.
===Husband's Death===
Sir John St. John left a will dated 22 March 1524/5, proved 23 May 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
==Issue==
Sir John Saint John, K. B., and his wife Sybil/Margred ferch Morgan had three sons and five daughters: Childrens' birth year shown by WikiTree on October 2, 2016 are shown; these are possibly unsourced and subject to further review.
#[[St. John-69|John St John]], Knt.... or [[St John-186|John St John]] of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, married Margaret Waldegrave. Currently shown born 1495.
#[[St John-417|Oliver St John]], currently shown born 1492#[[St John-155|Alexander St John]], Esq....of Thurleigh, Bedfordshire, 3rd son. He was a legatee in the 1509 will of William Morgan, Doctor of Law. He was a legaee and named one of the executors in the 1525 will of his father. He married by license dated 18 Nov 1530 Jane (or Joan) Dalison, widow of Thomas Levanthrpe, Esq (died 1527)... Currently shown born 1494.#[[St John-415|Elizabeth St John]], wife of Thomas Rotheram, Knight. Currently shown born 1488.#[[St John-414|Alice St John]], wife of Henry Parker, Knight, 10th Lord Morley. Currently shown born 1487.#[[St John-110|Margaret St John]], married Thomas Gamage, Knt., of Coity, Glamorgan. Currently shown born 1480.
: Other Children attached to this couple by WikiTree
#[[St John-113| Catherine St John]] married Rhys, currently shown born 1496.
#[[St John-416|Sybil St John]], currently shown born 1490
== Sources ==
See also:
* The Tudor Place for [http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/MORGAN.htm#Sybil%20Verch%20MORGAN1 Sybil verch Morgan]
* Richardson's ''Magna Carta Ancestry'' - p [https://books.google.com/books?id=8JcbV309c5UC&pg=RA2-PA479&lpg=RA2-PA479&dq=margaret+ferch+morgan+Gamage&source=bl&ots=kvkINWLT99&sig=ZLfmhaAepPZ8oJzU-skIY8fYC6s&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yCajVanyM4broAS0jKngDA&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=margaret%20ferch%20morgan%20Gamage&f=false 479]:
=== Acknowledgements ===:Click the [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:NetworkFeed&who=ferch_Beville-5 Changes tab] to see edits to this profile; click [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:NetworkFeed&who=Morgan-396 here] to see edits to the previous profile, Morgan-396. From that list, click WikiTree IDs other than Morgan-396 to see changes to those profiles prior to being merged. Thank you to everyone who contributed to this profile.
-- MERGED NOTE ------------
[[Category: Cymru 742-1535 Project]]
}
}
== Biography ==
}Margred, [https://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5005/Godwin%208.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Godwin 8], [https://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/4939/godwin%205.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Godwin 5], and [https://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5227/Cydifor%20Fawr%2016.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Cydifor Fawr 16] (charts posted by [https://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project]) Sibyl (or Margaret) ferch Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip.Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, Salt Lake City, Utah: IV, 534 [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76155984 wikidata] and [http://www.thepeerage.com/p10274.htm#i102736 her entry in thepeerage.com] (source for wikidata as of 15 Jan. 2020) do not call her Margred, just Sybil. Note that thepeerage.com is not considered a reliable source (see, for example, Magna Carta Project's [[Space:Magna Carta Project Reliable Sources|Reliable Sources page]]).
She was the daughter of Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, Esq, of Langstone, Monmouthshire, by his 2nd wife Margred, daughter of Dafydd Matthew, Knt. Morgan ap Jenkin was Lord of Langstone, a manor to the east of Newport in Monmouthshire.
She married John Saint John, K.B., of Bletsoe, Keysoe, Riseley, and Sharnbrook, Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire, son and heir by his father's 1st marriage. They had three sons and five daughters.
'''Children''':
: ''Sons''#[[St. John-69|John St John]], Knt.... or [[St John-186|John St John]] of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, married Margaret Waldegrave.
#[[St John-417|Oliver St John]]#[[St John-155|Alexander St John]], Esq....of Thurleigh, Bedfordshire, 3rd son. He was a legatee in the 1509 will of William Morgan, Doctor of Law. He was a legaee and named one of the executors in the 1525 will of his father. He married by license dated 18 Nov 1530 Jane (or Joan) Dalison, widow of Thomas Levanthrpe, Esq (died 1527)...
: ''Daughters''
#[[St John-415|Elizabeth St John]], wife of Thomas Rotheram, Knight. #[[St John-414|Alice St John]], wife of Henry Parker, Knight, 10th Lord Morley. #[[St John-110|Margaret St John]], married Thomas Gamage, Knt., of Coity, Glamorgan. # unnamed daughterRichardson names only three of their five daughters [need to verify-[[Noland-165|ls]], 22 March 2020]
# unnamed daughter
Sir John Saint John left a will dated 22 March 1524/5, proved 23 May 1525, requesting burial in the chapel of St. Edmund on the north side of the church of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire.
== Research Notes ==
'''Date Estimation'''
: Margred's husband was living in 1501 and made his will in 1525. Their son Alexander was an executor, therefore over 21, in his father's 1525 will. Alexander in 1530 married Jane, a widow.
: Estimate Jane's age at 25 at her second marriage in 1530, and Alexander aged 30, therefore born 1500. Alexander was the third son, perhaps the 5th child. Estimate the births of children 1-4 at two year intervals as 1492, 1494, 1496, 1498, and therefore place the marriage year of Margret and John at 1491. If she was 18 at marriage, her birth year would have been 1473. Her 8 children would have been born over a 16 year span from 1492 to 1508, and her death not earlier than 1508.
: Her marriage is currently (October 2, 2016) shown, without source, as 1483.The Tudor Place entry for [http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/MORGAN.htm#Sybil%20Verch%20MORGAN1 Sybil verch Morgan] gives 1483 as their marriage date, but that site is considered to be an unreliable source (see the Magna Carta Project's [[Space:Magna Carta Project Reliable Sources|Reliable Sources page]]). This database is also the apparent source for Catherine and Sybil as daughters & possibly the source of the dates that had been given for all of John and Margred/Sybil's children. If this is true, it would place her children's birth years back 10 years -- 1502-1518, and make Alexander a 20 year old rather than a 30 year old when he married a young widow. The 1483 marriage year is therefore questionable, but may be true depending on source and other facts.
: If Margred died early while her children were small, it is likely her husband would have remarried, but there is no record of him doing so; therefore we can presume she lived during her children's childhood. Richardson does not mention her being named in her husband's 1525 will, so she may have predeceased him. Therefore place her death at 1524.
: As of October 2, 2016, WikiTree shows children born beginning in 1480 and an unsourced birth year of 1462.
Analysis by [[Day-1904|Jack Day]], October 2, 2016.
'''Additional Notes about Children'''
: Childrens' birth year shown by WikiTree on October 2, 2016 are possibly unsourced and subject to further review (see the Changes for this page, 22 March 2020, or their profiles for the dates given).
: Other Children attached to this couple by WikiTree#[[St John-113|Catherine St John]] married Rhys, currently shown born 1496.
#[[St John-416|Sybil St John]], currently shown born 1490
== Sources ==
== Acknowledgements ==:Click the [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:NetworkFeed&who=ferch_Beville-5 Changes tab] to see edits to this profile; click [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:NetworkFeed&who=Morgan-396 here] to see edits to the previous profile, Morgan-396. From that list, click WikiTree IDs other than Morgan-396 to see changes to those profiles prior to being merged. Thank you to everyone who contributed to this profile.
Events
| Birth | Abt 1462 | Langstone, Monmouthshire, Wales | |||
| Marriage | 1483 | Langstone, Glamorganshire, Wales - John St. John | |||
| Marriage | 1483 | Langstone, Wales - John St. John | |||
| Death | Abt 1524 | Coity, Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales | |||
| Reference No | 11953765 | ||||
| Reference No | 12717254 | ||||
| Reference No | 60 |
Families
| Spouse | John St. John (1460 - 1525) |
| Child | Margaret St John (1480 - 1562) |
| Child | Catherine "Catrin" St John (1496 - 1553) |
| Child | Alexander St John (1494 - 1551) |
| Child | John St John KG MP (1495 - 1562) |
| Child | Alice St John (1484 - 1552) |
| Child | Elizabeth St John (1488 - ) |
| Child | Sybil St John (1490 - ) |
| Child | Oliver St John (1492 - ) |
| Father | Morgan ap Jenkin (1400 - 1472) |
| Mother | Margred Mathew (1440 - ) |
| Sibling | Margred ferch Morgan (1462 - 1472) |