Individual Details
Lady Philippe Thornbury
(Abt 1431 - Abt 1485)
[[Category:Estimated Birth Date]]
[[Category:England, Pre-1500 PPPs]]
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== Biography ==
"Lady Tyrell, who was born Philippe Thornbury, was the daughter of John Thornbury of Faversham and Anne Thorlegh." Davis, Walter Goodwin. "The Ancestry of Mary Isaac, C. 1549-1613: Wife of Thomas Appleton of Little Waldingfield, Co. Suffolk and Mother of Samuel Appleton of Ipswich, Massachusetts.'' Page 79. Retrieved from [[https://books.google.com/books?id=Ep5pAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PA79&ots=MEKJR_Jl2H&dq=Philippe%20Thornbury&pg=PA79#v=onepage&q=Philippe%20Thornbury&f=false Google Books]] on 6 March 2019.The visitations of Essex by Hawley, 1552; Hervey, 1558; Cooke, 1570; Raven, 1612; and Owen and Lilly, 1634 : to which are added miscellaneous Essex pedigrees from various Harleian manuscripts, and an appendix containing Berry's Essex pedigrees v.13 Author Metcalfe, Walter C. (Walter Charles) '1558, p.111' http://www.archive.org/stream/visitationsofess13metc#page/110/mode/2upA P Baggs, J Freeman, C Smith, J H Stevenson and E Williamson. "Collingbourne Kingston," in A History of the County of Wiltshire: Volume 16, Kinwardstone Hundred, ed. D A Crowley (London: Victoria County History, 1999), 126-139. British History Online, accessed May 18, 2019, http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/wilts/vol16/pp126-139.
"Philippe Thornbury's first husband, John Pympe, left no will in 1454, but her second husband, Sir William Tyrell of Beeches, Rawreth, co. Essex, whose second wife she was, made his on March 16, 1470/1, and it was written in 'myn owne hande.' In his will he mentions his father-in-law ''and my fader John Thorneburye.''... After her third marriage, to Sir John Guildford, Philippe arranged a marriage between her daughter, Anne Pympe, and Sir John's son and heir, Richard Guildford."Davis, Walter Goodwin. "The Ancestry of Mary Isaac, C. 1549-1613: Wife of Thomas Appleton of Little Waldingfield, Co. Suffolk and Mother of Samuel Appleton of Ipswich, Massachusetts.'' Page 80. Retrieved from [[https://books.google.com/books?id=Ep5pAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PA79&ots=MEKJR_Jl2H&dq=Philippe%20Thornbury&pg=PA80#v=onepage&q=Philippe%20Thornbury&f=false Google Books]] on 6 March 2019. Wrottesley, George, 1827, 1909, Pedigrees from the plea rolls: collected from the pleadings in the various courts of law, A.D. 1200 to 1500, from the original rolls in the Public Record Office, Great Britain. Public Record Office 1905?, p.456 https://archive.org/details/pedigreesfromple00wrotrich/page/456
Philippe was the mother of three children from her first marriage: Reynold Pympe, Anne Pympe, and John Pympe. MacMichael, N.H., The Descent of the Manor of Evegate in Smeeth With Some Account of its Lords, Archaelologia Cantiana, Kent Archaeological Society, p.40-44, [https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/sites/default/files/archcant/1961%2074%20The%20Descent%20of%20the%20Manor%20of%20Evegate%20in%20Smeeth%20with%20Some%20Account%20of%20its%20Lords%20MacMichael.pdf PYMPE]
Philippe with her second husband William Tyrrell, had four children, Jasper, Elizabeth, Jane and Anne. The National Archives Prob 11/5/167, Oxford Shakespeare, The Will of Sir William Tyrrell http://www.oxford-shakespeare.com/Probate/PROB_11-5-167.pdf Note: the bio that accompanies the will has several mistakes in it.
William Tyrrell, mentioned his father-in-law John Thornebrough, twice and mother-in-law Anne, once, in his will of 1470/1: "to have in remembrance the sowlls of me, Anne and Dame Phelipp' my wyffes, the soule of my fader John Tyrell, Knyght, Alice and Kateryn his wyffes, and the soules of my Broder Thomas Tyrell, Knyght, Anne his wife, and the soules of John Thornebrough and Anne;"
Philippe's father, John Thornbury of Faversham wrote his will 10 April 1472/3, and it was proved 16 February 1473/4. John Thornbury referred to his daughter as "Dame Philip". He made grandson John Pympe his main heir and one of the executors of his will. John Thornbury also mentions grandchildren: Reynold Pympe, Anne Pympe, Jane Tyrrell, his brothers William Thornbury, Vicar, and Richard Thornbury.
(1481) Philippe and her third husband Sir John Guilford were sued by son John Pympe, they apparently were reluctant to return the inheritance of the Pympe lands to him.
:De Banco. Mich.20. Ed.4.m.630. :Kent--JOHN PYMPE, Armiger, sued '''John Gyfford, kt., and Philippa, his wife''', and three others named, for the manors of Nettilheth and Pympe, and lands in Brenche, Horsmonden, Lamberhest, Eldyng, West Mallyng, East Mallyng and other places. Verdict for the plaintiff.
Philippe was Sir John Guilford's second wife, he was her third husband. Sir John Guilford married his third wife after 1486.
=== Research Notes ===There was an error in the research of the Pympe family, the St. Leger family surname was given to Philippe Thornbury on a pedigree. This surname was added because the researcher was of 'the opinion' she was a St. Leger. There is ample proof that John Pympe was married to Philippe Thornbury, and that there wasn't a Philippe St. Leger.
the Archaeologia cantiana by Kent Archaeological Society. p. 166, 167, is the pedigree that had been formerly used for the Pympe family tree, but it isn’t consistent with the contemporary sources and therefore unreliable. A quote from MacMichael, N.H. of "The Descent of the Manor of Evegate in Smeeth---" "the account of Pympe family and their alliances by Mr. W. E. Ball (Ball is ungenerous in the extreme with his references--a large number of his statements are clearly wrong and conjectural."
Evidence to support Philippa not being a daughter of John St Leger.
#In the Will of John St. Leger of 12 December 1441, the only children mentioned are: Thomas, Ralph, Richard, James, Bartholomew, Florence, Margaret and Alice. John St. Leger's will can be found at Kent Archaeological Society Website. Kent Archaeological Society,Medieval & Tudor Kent Wills at Lambeth – Book 23 Page 248. Transcript accessed at:[https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/Wills/Lbth/Bk23/page%20248.htm Will of John Seyntleger dated 1441]#Douglas Richardson, on 26 January 2014, replied to a query about the connection between the Pympe and St. Leger families. The connection is through the Cheyne family. Margery Cheyne, the daughter of Richard Cheyne (Cheyney) and Margaret Cralle, first husband was James Donet (died 1409), their daughter Margery Donet married John St. Leger (died 1441). Isabel Cheyne, the daughter of Richard Cheyne (Cheyney) and Margaret Cralle, married John Pympe as his first wife. Richardson, Douglas. “Philippa Thornbury - Google Groups.” Accessed March 27, 2019. [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/pympe%7Csort:date/soc.genealogy.medieval/NUqHSV6-xfs/TIgkh_Nxb3EJ soc.gen.med]#Douglas Richardson, on the same post of 26 January 2014, listed the children of John St. Leger and Margery Donet as: Ralph, Thomas, Richard, James, Bartholomew, Katherine, Florence, Margaret and Alice.Robertson, Herbert, Stemmata Robertson et Durdin. Being tables comprising the known ancestors of the children of Herbert Robertson and his wife Helen Alexandrina Melian n Durdin .National Library of Scotland, p. 68-71, ST. LEGER PEDIGREE https://archive.org/stream/stemmatarobertso00robe#page/68/mode/2up# In "The Archaeologia cantiana, p.169 & 175" the author was of the '''opinion''' Philippa was a St. Leger, but without any sources. The pedigree that has been formerly used for the Pympe/Whetell family tree, isn’t consistent with the contemporary sources and therefore unreliable. Kent Archaeological Society, the Archaeologia Cantiana, https://archive.org/details/archaeologiacant28kent/page/174 A quote from MacMichael, N.H. of "The Descent of the Manor of Evegate in Smeeth---" "the account of Pympe family and their alliances by Mr. W. E. Ball (Ball is ungenerous in the extreme with his references--a large number of his statements are clearly wrong and conjectural."#Berkshire Visitation verifies that Isabel Cheyne married John Pympe.Rylands, W. Harry (William Harry), 1847-1922,Benolt, Thomas, d. 1534,Harvey, William, d. 1567,Chitting, Henry, d. 1638,Philipot, John, 1589?-1645,Camden, William, 1551-1623,Ashmole, Elias, 1617-1692,Bysshe, Edward, Sir, 1615?-1679,College of Arms (Great Britain), The four visitations of Berkshire made and taken by Thomas Benolte, Clarenceux anno 1532; p.102-105, https://www.archive.org/stream/fourvisitations00britgoog#page/n122/mode/2up#Finally, there are wills, pedigrees, plea roll entries that establishes that the second wife of John Pympe was Philippa Thornbury, not Philippa St. Leger. Philippe Thornbury was married three times, her first husband was John Pympe (1417-1454). Her second husband was William Tyrell (died after 16 March 1471). In his will he mentions his father-in-law twice, and his step-daughter Anne Pympe. Philippe's third husband was John Guildford (will written 20 March 1491/2). ''Philippe's son John Pympe sued his mother and step-father for the manors inherited from the Pympe family.''
== Sources ==
* WikiTree profile Tyrell-42 created through the import of familysearch export.ged on Aug 31, 2011 by [[Thomas-3953 | Jeff Thomas]].*The Ancestor, Archibald Constable and Company, 1904, Issue 8, p.170-172, [https://books.google.com/books?id=0koWAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA170&lpg=PA170&dq=John+St.+Leger,+died+1442&source=bl&ots=nIfRSPVz1c&sig=ACfU3U3av-NVl_8UzyI999E90IqkP_X4Ig&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjYsvaeyqPhAhWirIMKHdfmCU44ChDoATAFegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=John%20St.%20Leger%2C%20died%201442&f=false ST. LEGER Children]* http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I03036
[[Category:England, Pre-1500 PPPs]]
}
== Biography ==
"Lady Tyrell, who was born Philippe Thornbury, was the daughter of John Thornbury of Faversham and Anne Thorlegh." Davis, Walter Goodwin. "The Ancestry of Mary Isaac, C. 1549-1613: Wife of Thomas Appleton of Little Waldingfield, Co. Suffolk and Mother of Samuel Appleton of Ipswich, Massachusetts.'' Page 79. Retrieved from [[https://books.google.com/books?id=Ep5pAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PA79&ots=MEKJR_Jl2H&dq=Philippe%20Thornbury&pg=PA79#v=onepage&q=Philippe%20Thornbury&f=false Google Books]] on 6 March 2019.The visitations of Essex by Hawley, 1552; Hervey, 1558; Cooke, 1570; Raven, 1612; and Owen and Lilly, 1634 : to which are added miscellaneous Essex pedigrees from various Harleian manuscripts, and an appendix containing Berry's Essex pedigrees v.13 Author Metcalfe, Walter C. (Walter Charles) '1558, p.111' http://www.archive.org/stream/visitationsofess13metc#page/110/mode/2upA P Baggs, J Freeman, C Smith, J H Stevenson and E Williamson. "Collingbourne Kingston," in A History of the County of Wiltshire: Volume 16, Kinwardstone Hundred, ed. D A Crowley (London: Victoria County History, 1999), 126-139. British History Online, accessed May 18, 2019, http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/wilts/vol16/pp126-139.
"Philippe Thornbury's first husband, John Pympe, left no will in 1454, but her second husband, Sir William Tyrell of Beeches, Rawreth, co. Essex, whose second wife she was, made his on March 16, 1470/1, and it was written in 'myn owne hande.' In his will he mentions his father-in-law ''and my fader John Thorneburye.''... After her third marriage, to Sir John Guildford, Philippe arranged a marriage between her daughter, Anne Pympe, and Sir John's son and heir, Richard Guildford."Davis, Walter Goodwin. "The Ancestry of Mary Isaac, C. 1549-1613: Wife of Thomas Appleton of Little Waldingfield, Co. Suffolk and Mother of Samuel Appleton of Ipswich, Massachusetts.'' Page 80. Retrieved from [[https://books.google.com/books?id=Ep5pAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PA79&ots=MEKJR_Jl2H&dq=Philippe%20Thornbury&pg=PA80#v=onepage&q=Philippe%20Thornbury&f=false Google Books]] on 6 March 2019. Wrottesley, George, 1827, 1909, Pedigrees from the plea rolls: collected from the pleadings in the various courts of law, A.D. 1200 to 1500, from the original rolls in the Public Record Office, Great Britain. Public Record Office 1905?, p.456 https://archive.org/details/pedigreesfromple00wrotrich/page/456
Philippe was the mother of three children from her first marriage: Reynold Pympe, Anne Pympe, and John Pympe. MacMichael, N.H., The Descent of the Manor of Evegate in Smeeth With Some Account of its Lords, Archaelologia Cantiana, Kent Archaeological Society, p.40-44, [https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/sites/default/files/archcant/1961%2074%20The%20Descent%20of%20the%20Manor%20of%20Evegate%20in%20Smeeth%20with%20Some%20Account%20of%20its%20Lords%20MacMichael.pdf PYMPE]
Philippe with her second husband William Tyrrell, had four children, Jasper, Elizabeth, Jane and Anne. The National Archives Prob 11/5/167, Oxford Shakespeare, The Will of Sir William Tyrrell http://www.oxford-shakespeare.com/Probate/PROB_11-5-167.pdf Note: the bio that accompanies the will has several mistakes in it.
William Tyrrell, mentioned his father-in-law John Thornebrough, twice and mother-in-law Anne, once, in his will of 1470/1: "to have in remembrance the sowlls of me, Anne and Dame Phelipp' my wyffes, the soule of my fader John Tyrell, Knyght, Alice and Kateryn his wyffes, and the soules of my Broder Thomas Tyrell, Knyght, Anne his wife, and the soules of John Thornebrough and Anne;"
Philippe's father, John Thornbury of Faversham wrote his will 10 April 1472/3, and it was proved 16 February 1473/4. John Thornbury referred to his daughter as "Dame Philip". He made grandson John Pympe his main heir and one of the executors of his will. John Thornbury also mentions grandchildren: Reynold Pympe, Anne Pympe, Jane Tyrrell, his brothers William Thornbury, Vicar, and Richard Thornbury.
(1481) Philippe and her third husband Sir John Guilford were sued by son John Pympe, they apparently were reluctant to return the inheritance of the Pympe lands to him.
:De Banco. Mich.20. Ed.4.m.630. :Kent--JOHN PYMPE, Armiger, sued '''John Gyfford, kt., and Philippa, his wife''', and three others named, for the manors of Nettilheth and Pympe, and lands in Brenche, Horsmonden, Lamberhest, Eldyng, West Mallyng, East Mallyng and other places. Verdict for the plaintiff.
Philippe was Sir John Guilford's second wife, he was her third husband. Sir John Guilford married his third wife after 1486.
=== Research Notes ===There was an error in the research of the Pympe family, the St. Leger family surname was given to Philippe Thornbury on a pedigree. This surname was added because the researcher was of 'the opinion' she was a St. Leger. There is ample proof that John Pympe was married to Philippe Thornbury, and that there wasn't a Philippe St. Leger.
the Archaeologia cantiana by Kent Archaeological Society. p. 166, 167, is the pedigree that had been formerly used for the Pympe family tree, but it isn’t consistent with the contemporary sources and therefore unreliable. A quote from MacMichael, N.H. of "The Descent of the Manor of Evegate in Smeeth---" "the account of Pympe family and their alliances by Mr. W. E. Ball (Ball is ungenerous in the extreme with his references--a large number of his statements are clearly wrong and conjectural."
Evidence to support Philippa not being a daughter of John St Leger.
#In the Will of John St. Leger of 12 December 1441, the only children mentioned are: Thomas, Ralph, Richard, James, Bartholomew, Florence, Margaret and Alice. John St. Leger's will can be found at Kent Archaeological Society Website. Kent Archaeological Society,Medieval & Tudor Kent Wills at Lambeth – Book 23 Page 248. Transcript accessed at:[https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/Wills/Lbth/Bk23/page%20248.htm Will of John Seyntleger dated 1441]#Douglas Richardson, on 26 January 2014, replied to a query about the connection between the Pympe and St. Leger families. The connection is through the Cheyne family. Margery Cheyne, the daughter of Richard Cheyne (Cheyney) and Margaret Cralle, first husband was James Donet (died 1409), their daughter Margery Donet married John St. Leger (died 1441). Isabel Cheyne, the daughter of Richard Cheyne (Cheyney) and Margaret Cralle, married John Pympe as his first wife. Richardson, Douglas. “Philippa Thornbury - Google Groups.” Accessed March 27, 2019. [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/pympe%7Csort:date/soc.genealogy.medieval/NUqHSV6-xfs/TIgkh_Nxb3EJ soc.gen.med]#Douglas Richardson, on the same post of 26 January 2014, listed the children of John St. Leger and Margery Donet as: Ralph, Thomas, Richard, James, Bartholomew, Katherine, Florence, Margaret and Alice.Robertson, Herbert, Stemmata Robertson et Durdin. Being tables comprising the known ancestors of the children of Herbert Robertson and his wife Helen Alexandrina Melian n Durdin .National Library of Scotland, p. 68-71, ST. LEGER PEDIGREE https://archive.org/stream/stemmatarobertso00robe#page/68/mode/2up# In "The Archaeologia cantiana, p.169 & 175" the author was of the '''opinion''' Philippa was a St. Leger, but without any sources. The pedigree that has been formerly used for the Pympe/Whetell family tree, isn’t consistent with the contemporary sources and therefore unreliable. Kent Archaeological Society, the Archaeologia Cantiana, https://archive.org/details/archaeologiacant28kent/page/174 A quote from MacMichael, N.H. of "The Descent of the Manor of Evegate in Smeeth---" "the account of Pympe family and their alliances by Mr. W. E. Ball (Ball is ungenerous in the extreme with his references--a large number of his statements are clearly wrong and conjectural."#Berkshire Visitation verifies that Isabel Cheyne married John Pympe.Rylands, W. Harry (William Harry), 1847-1922,Benolt, Thomas, d. 1534,Harvey, William, d. 1567,Chitting, Henry, d. 1638,Philipot, John, 1589?-1645,Camden, William, 1551-1623,Ashmole, Elias, 1617-1692,Bysshe, Edward, Sir, 1615?-1679,College of Arms (Great Britain), The four visitations of Berkshire made and taken by Thomas Benolte, Clarenceux anno 1532; p.102-105, https://www.archive.org/stream/fourvisitations00britgoog#page/n122/mode/2up#Finally, there are wills, pedigrees, plea roll entries that establishes that the second wife of John Pympe was Philippa Thornbury, not Philippa St. Leger. Philippe Thornbury was married three times, her first husband was John Pympe (1417-1454). Her second husband was William Tyrell (died after 16 March 1471). In his will he mentions his father-in-law twice, and his step-daughter Anne Pympe. Philippe's third husband was John Guildford (will written 20 March 1491/2). ''Philippe's son John Pympe sued his mother and step-father for the manors inherited from the Pympe family.''
== Sources ==
* WikiTree profile Tyrell-42 created through the import of familysearch export.ged on Aug 31, 2011 by [[Thomas-3953 | Jeff Thomas]].*The Ancestor, Archibald Constable and Company, 1904, Issue 8, p.170-172, [https://books.google.com/books?id=0koWAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA170&lpg=PA170&dq=John+St.+Leger,+died+1442&source=bl&ots=nIfRSPVz1c&sig=ACfU3U3av-NVl_8UzyI999E90IqkP_X4Ig&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjYsvaeyqPhAhWirIMKHdfmCU44ChDoATAFegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=John%20St.%20Leger%2C%20died%201442&f=false ST. LEGER Children]* http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I03036
Events
| Birth | Abt 1431 | Faversham, Kent, England | |||
| Marriage | 1447 | Kent, England - John Pympe | |||
| Marriage | 1460 | England - William Tyrell | |||
| Marriage | 1473 | England - John Guilford | |||
| Death | Abt 1485 | England | |||
| Alt name | Pympe Tyrrell | ||||
| Reference No | 10080645 | ||||
| Reference No | 10644933 | ||||
| Reference No | 60 |
Families
| Spouse | John Pympe (1417 - 1454) |
| Child | Anne Pympe (1454 - 1499) |
| Child | Sir Reynold Pympe (1448 - 1531) |
| Child | John Pympe (1447 - 1496) |
| Spouse | William Tyrell (1419 - 1471) |
| Child | Jasper Tyrell (1463 - 1539) |
| Spouse | John Guilford (1430 - 1493) |
| Father | John Thornbury (1390 - 1474) |
| Mother | Anne Thorlegh (1395 - 1460) |