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John Pympe
(Abt 20 Jul 1417 - 8 Nov 1454)
[[Category:Nettlestead, Kent]]
[[Category:England, Pre-1500 PPPs]]
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== Biography ==John Pympe of Nettlestead, Esq. was born on St. Margaret's Day, 1417, Nettlestead, Kent, England, and died 8 November 1454, Nettlestead, Kent, England. He was the son of [[Pympe-27|John Pympe]] (abt 1390-before 1426), Kent, England and Miss Delsey. John succeeded his brother, [[Pympe-31|Reynold]], in 1436, and proved his age in 1439 when he was 22.King's College London, 2014. | Mapping the Medieval Countryside [online]. Available at http://www.inquisitionspostmortem.ac.uk/view/inquisition/25-389/390 [Accessed: 4/9/2019] I.pm., 16 Hen VI (C 139) File 88, N. 51 and I.pm, 18 Hen VI (C 139) File 99 #32MacMichael, N.H., The Descent of the Manor of Evegate in Smeeth With Some Account of its Lords, Archaelologia Cantiana, Kent Archaeological Society, p.40-44, [https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/sites/default/files/archcant/1961%2074%20The%20Descent%20of%20the%20Manor%20of%20Evegate%20in%20Smeeth%20with%20Some%20Account%20of%20its%20Lords%20MacMichael.pdf PYMPE]
John Pympe and [[Cheney-1551|Isabella Cheney]], daughter of [[Cheney-157|Sir Richard Cheney]] of Sherland and [[Cralle-8|Margery Crall]], were married before 24 July 1439.Rylands, W. Harry (William Harry), 1847-1922,Benolt, Thomas, d. 1534,Harvey, William, d. 1567,Chitting, Henry, d. 1638,Philipot, John, 1589?-1645,Camden, William, 1551-1623,Ashmole, Elias, 1617-1692,Bysshe, Edward, Sir, 1615?-1679,College of Arms (Great Britain), The four visitations of Berkshire made and taken by Thomas Benolte, Clarenceux anno 1532; p.102-105, https://www.archive.org/stream/fourvisitations00britgoog#page/n122/mode/2up''"Isabel Cheney vx: John Pimp, of whome comes Scott of Kent"'' The family connection with the St. Leger family comes from Isabella Cheney's niece, [[Donnet-3|Margery Donnet]], who married [[St_Leger-23|John St. Leger]]. Richardson, Douglas. “Philippa Thornbury - Google Groups.” Accessed March 27, 2019. [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/pympe%7Csort:date/soc.genealogy.medieval/NUqHSV6-xfs/TIgkh_Nxb3EJ soc.gen.med]
John and Isabella had one daughter.#[[Pympe-30|Margery Pympe]], married John Brumston, son of Thomas Brumston. John Brumston was Keeper of Cantebury 1471-1475.Wedgwood, Josiah C., History of Parliament (1439-1509), 1936, p. 126, https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.210096/page/n187
25 June 1440, Plea of Covenant, John Pympe and Isabel his wife were the "deforciants" and William Brounyng' and John Changeton', were the "querents". This concerned the manors and tenements of Nettlestead, Pimpe (in Nettlestead), Brenchley, Horsmonden, Lamberhurst, Yalding, Peckham, West Malling, and East Malling. William Brounyng and John Changeton granted these manors and tenements to John Pympe and Isabel for life.Feet of Fines, CP 25/1/115/314, #513, also a link to original document http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_115_314.shtml
John married his second wife Philippe Thornbury before 1447, Kent, England.
:''Note: Philippe was married three times, her first husband was John Pympe (1417-1454). Her second husband was William Tyrell (died after 16 March 1471). The visitations of Essex by Hawley, 1552; Hervey, 1558; Cooke, 1570; Raven, 1612; and Owen and Lilly, 1634 : to which are added miscellaneous Essex pedigrees from various Harleian manuscripts, and an appendix containing Berry's Essex pedigrees v.13 Author Metcalfe, Walter C. (Walter Charles) '1558, p.111', http://www.archive.org/stream/visitationsofess13metc#page/110/mode/2up Philippe's third husband was John Guildford (will written 20 March 1491/2). ''Philippe's son John Pympe sued his mother and step-father for the manors inherited from the Pympe family.''Wrottesley, George, 1827, 1909, Pedigrees from the plea rolls: collected from the pleadings in the various courts of law, A.D. 1200 to 1500, from the original rolls in the Public Record Office, Great Britain. Public Record Office 1905?, p.456 https://archive.org/details/pedigreesfromple00wrotrich/page/456
John Pympe and Philippe Thornbury were the parents of three children:
#[[Pympe-26|Reynold Pympe]] born 1448/9, died 21 March 1530/1, he married Elizabeth Pasheley. Their daughter Anne married Sir John Scott.#[[Pympe-19|Anne Pympe]], (died before 1489) she was married to her step-brother, Richard Guildeford (died 1506) The National Archives Prob 11/17/381, will of Sir Richard Guildford (1450-1506), http://www.oxford-shakespeare.com/Probate/PROB_11-17-381.pdf Anne Pympe was named in the will of her step-father, William Tyrell, dated 16 March 1471,''and also Anne Pympe till she be married, and when Anne Pympe is married to give her L20 of my besetting;''The National Archives Prob 11/5/167, Oxford Shakespeare, The Will of Sir William Tyrrell http://www.oxford-shakespeare.com/Probate/PROB_11-5-167.pdf, ''Note: whoever wrote the bio on the will, made many mistakes, one of them is about Anne Pympe, they wrote she was a niece instead of daughter, but the daughter of Reynold Pympe wasn't born until after William Tyrell wrote his will. It was clearly his step-daughter he was referring to.''#[[Pympe-29|John Pympe]] of Nettlested made his will on Aug 7, 1496, and it was proved Nov 14, 1496. He directed that he be buried in a stone tome in the choir of Nettlested church---- "and I will the saide tombe bere the Epitaphe eynegraven in laten 'here lyeth buried John Pympe, Sonne of John Pympe, Sonne of John, Sonne of Reignolde, Sonne of Sir William Pympe, Knyght, that hadde to Wiffe Elizabeth, the daughter of Richard Whethill, Leuetennte of the Castell of Gynes, oon whose soules Jhu have mercy'."----[https://books.google.com/books?id=Ep5pAAAAMAAJ&dq=Richard%20de%20Pympe&pg=PA273#v=onepage&q&f=true The Ancestry of Mary Isaac]''According to the source "The Ancestry of Mary Isaac", p. 273 and 247, the line "that hadde to Wiffe Elizabeth, the daughter of Richard Whethill" was referring to this John's wife and not the wife of Sir William Pympe. The author believed "The wording of the epitaph has deceived several pedigree makers to believe Sir William Pympe was husband of Elizabeth."''---- Inquest 27 August 1496, post mortem estate of John Pympe, esq. names his wife as [[Whethill-1|Elizabeth Whethill]] daughter of Richard Whethill. In his will he mentions cousins: Edward Guildeford and George Guildeford. His will identifies his brother of Reignolde Pympe.Great Britain, Public Record Office, Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and Other Analogous Documents Preserved in the Public Record Office, Volume 1, Part 4 - Volume 2, Part 4, H.M. Stationery Office, 1898, p.551 [https://books.google.com/books?id=VtAMAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA551&lpg=PA551&dq=richard+whetell,+of+boughton&source=bl&ots=IRmkpz6YQr&sig=ACfU3U09yX1FFm5jGBkVH5_2hiQ9DRJP9g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi726nR553hAhVo04MKHWo2CYcQ6AEwCXoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=richard%20whetell%2C%20of%20boughton&f=false INQUISTION]
In 1446, John Pympe and John Elmebrigge, were arbitrators between Hugh Stanlowe, esq. and John Orgar.Great Britain, Public Record Office, Lists and Indexes, Volume 12, p. 154, #502,[https://books.google.com/books?id=ofvfAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA154&lpg=PA154&dq=john+pympe+and+john+elmebrigge&source=bl&ots=G8G82KSocD&sig=ACfU3U1FRLqScznn321FKB5aUWktDUnL7A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjIl-WkjcLhAhWj8YMKHf_mAMcQ6AEwCXoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=john%20pympe%20and%20john%20elmebrigge&f=false RECORD OFFICE]
== Research Notes ==There are no reliable sources located to date providing evidence for [[St_Leger-69|Philippa St Leger]] as a spouse of John Pympe. [[Thomas-7679|Thomas-7679]] 07:38, 25 March 2019 (UTC). In "The Archaeologia cantiana, p.169 & 175" the author was of the opinion Philippa was a St. Leger, but without any sources.
Notice: the Archaeologia cantiana by Kent Archaeological Society. p. 166, 167, Kent Archaeological Society, the Archaeologia Cantiana, https://archive.org/details/archaeologiacant28kent/page/174is the pedigree that has been formerly used for the Pympe/Whetell family tree, but it isn’t consistent with the contemporary sources and therefore unreliable. A quote from MacMichael, N.H. of "The Descent of the Manor of Evegate in Smeeth---" "the account of Pympe family and their alliances by Mr. W. E. Ball (Ball is ungenerous in the extreme with his references--a large number of his statements are clearly wrong and conjectural."
== Sources ==
*Nichols, John Gough, The Topographer and Genealogist, Volume 1, 1846, p.519-520, Inquisitions in Latin, [https://books.google.com/books?id=CBwIAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA519&lpg=PA519&dq=john+pympe+died+1421&source=bl&ots=uHDvrc7H3w&sig=ACfU3U2UdnkRkQ-vvGljdqtFbJJbunoU1w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjgqezYwsThAhUq74MKHTgoBvk4HhDoATAEegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=john%20pympe%20died%201421&f=false Latin Inquisitions]
*The History of St. Mary The Virgin Church, Nettlestead, Maidstone, Kent. http://www.nettlesteadchurch.co.uk/history/
*mirror of Davis (1955) transcribed text at Rootsweb. [http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I03035 family tree link] ''Note: this family tree also has incorrect information regarding John Pympe's two wives.''
[[Category:England, Pre-1500 PPPs]]
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== Biography ==John Pympe of Nettlestead, Esq. was born on St. Margaret's Day, 1417, Nettlestead, Kent, England, and died 8 November 1454, Nettlestead, Kent, England. He was the son of [[Pympe-27|John Pympe]] (abt 1390-before 1426), Kent, England and Miss Delsey. John succeeded his brother, [[Pympe-31|Reynold]], in 1436, and proved his age in 1439 when he was 22.King's College London, 2014. | Mapping the Medieval Countryside [online]. Available at http://www.inquisitionspostmortem.ac.uk/view/inquisition/25-389/390 [Accessed: 4/9/2019] I.pm., 16 Hen VI (C 139) File 88, N. 51 and I.pm, 18 Hen VI (C 139) File 99 #32MacMichael, N.H., The Descent of the Manor of Evegate in Smeeth With Some Account of its Lords, Archaelologia Cantiana, Kent Archaeological Society, p.40-44, [https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/sites/default/files/archcant/1961%2074%20The%20Descent%20of%20the%20Manor%20of%20Evegate%20in%20Smeeth%20with%20Some%20Account%20of%20its%20Lords%20MacMichael.pdf PYMPE]
John Pympe and [[Cheney-1551|Isabella Cheney]], daughter of [[Cheney-157|Sir Richard Cheney]] of Sherland and [[Cralle-8|Margery Crall]], were married before 24 July 1439.Rylands, W. Harry (William Harry), 1847-1922,Benolt, Thomas, d. 1534,Harvey, William, d. 1567,Chitting, Henry, d. 1638,Philipot, John, 1589?-1645,Camden, William, 1551-1623,Ashmole, Elias, 1617-1692,Bysshe, Edward, Sir, 1615?-1679,College of Arms (Great Britain), The four visitations of Berkshire made and taken by Thomas Benolte, Clarenceux anno 1532; p.102-105, https://www.archive.org/stream/fourvisitations00britgoog#page/n122/mode/2up''"Isabel Cheney vx: John Pimp, of whome comes Scott of Kent"'' The family connection with the St. Leger family comes from Isabella Cheney's niece, [[Donnet-3|Margery Donnet]], who married [[St_Leger-23|John St. Leger]]. Richardson, Douglas. “Philippa Thornbury - Google Groups.” Accessed March 27, 2019. [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/pympe%7Csort:date/soc.genealogy.medieval/NUqHSV6-xfs/TIgkh_Nxb3EJ soc.gen.med]
John and Isabella had one daughter.#[[Pympe-30|Margery Pympe]], married John Brumston, son of Thomas Brumston. John Brumston was Keeper of Cantebury 1471-1475.Wedgwood, Josiah C., History of Parliament (1439-1509), 1936, p. 126, https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.210096/page/n187
25 June 1440, Plea of Covenant, John Pympe and Isabel his wife were the "deforciants" and William Brounyng' and John Changeton', were the "querents". This concerned the manors and tenements of Nettlestead, Pimpe (in Nettlestead), Brenchley, Horsmonden, Lamberhurst, Yalding, Peckham, West Malling, and East Malling. William Brounyng and John Changeton granted these manors and tenements to John Pympe and Isabel for life.Feet of Fines, CP 25/1/115/314, #513, also a link to original document http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_115_314.shtml
John married his second wife Philippe Thornbury before 1447, Kent, England.
:''Note: Philippe was married three times, her first husband was John Pympe (1417-1454). Her second husband was William Tyrell (died after 16 March 1471). The visitations of Essex by Hawley, 1552; Hervey, 1558; Cooke, 1570; Raven, 1612; and Owen and Lilly, 1634 : to which are added miscellaneous Essex pedigrees from various Harleian manuscripts, and an appendix containing Berry's Essex pedigrees v.13 Author Metcalfe, Walter C. (Walter Charles) '1558, p.111', http://www.archive.org/stream/visitationsofess13metc#page/110/mode/2up Philippe's third husband was John Guildford (will written 20 March 1491/2). ''Philippe's son John Pympe sued his mother and step-father for the manors inherited from the Pympe family.''Wrottesley, George, 1827, 1909, Pedigrees from the plea rolls: collected from the pleadings in the various courts of law, A.D. 1200 to 1500, from the original rolls in the Public Record Office, Great Britain. Public Record Office 1905?, p.456 https://archive.org/details/pedigreesfromple00wrotrich/page/456
John Pympe and Philippe Thornbury were the parents of three children:
#[[Pympe-26|Reynold Pympe]] born 1448/9, died 21 March 1530/1, he married Elizabeth Pasheley. Their daughter Anne married Sir John Scott.#[[Pympe-19|Anne Pympe]], (died before 1489) she was married to her step-brother, Richard Guildeford (died 1506) The National Archives Prob 11/17/381, will of Sir Richard Guildford (1450-1506), http://www.oxford-shakespeare.com/Probate/PROB_11-17-381.pdf Anne Pympe was named in the will of her step-father, William Tyrell, dated 16 March 1471,''and also Anne Pympe till she be married, and when Anne Pympe is married to give her L20 of my besetting;''The National Archives Prob 11/5/167, Oxford Shakespeare, The Will of Sir William Tyrrell http://www.oxford-shakespeare.com/Probate/PROB_11-5-167.pdf, ''Note: whoever wrote the bio on the will, made many mistakes, one of them is about Anne Pympe, they wrote she was a niece instead of daughter, but the daughter of Reynold Pympe wasn't born until after William Tyrell wrote his will. It was clearly his step-daughter he was referring to.''#[[Pympe-29|John Pympe]] of Nettlested made his will on Aug 7, 1496, and it was proved Nov 14, 1496. He directed that he be buried in a stone tome in the choir of Nettlested church---- "and I will the saide tombe bere the Epitaphe eynegraven in laten 'here lyeth buried John Pympe, Sonne of John Pympe, Sonne of John, Sonne of Reignolde, Sonne of Sir William Pympe, Knyght, that hadde to Wiffe Elizabeth, the daughter of Richard Whethill, Leuetennte of the Castell of Gynes, oon whose soules Jhu have mercy'."----[https://books.google.com/books?id=Ep5pAAAAMAAJ&dq=Richard%20de%20Pympe&pg=PA273#v=onepage&q&f=true The Ancestry of Mary Isaac]''According to the source "The Ancestry of Mary Isaac", p. 273 and 247, the line "that hadde to Wiffe Elizabeth, the daughter of Richard Whethill" was referring to this John's wife and not the wife of Sir William Pympe. The author believed "The wording of the epitaph has deceived several pedigree makers to believe Sir William Pympe was husband of Elizabeth."''---- Inquest 27 August 1496, post mortem estate of John Pympe, esq. names his wife as [[Whethill-1|Elizabeth Whethill]] daughter of Richard Whethill. In his will he mentions cousins: Edward Guildeford and George Guildeford. His will identifies his brother of Reignolde Pympe.Great Britain, Public Record Office, Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and Other Analogous Documents Preserved in the Public Record Office, Volume 1, Part 4 - Volume 2, Part 4, H.M. Stationery Office, 1898, p.551 [https://books.google.com/books?id=VtAMAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA551&lpg=PA551&dq=richard+whetell,+of+boughton&source=bl&ots=IRmkpz6YQr&sig=ACfU3U09yX1FFm5jGBkVH5_2hiQ9DRJP9g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi726nR553hAhVo04MKHWo2CYcQ6AEwCXoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=richard%20whetell%2C%20of%20boughton&f=false INQUISTION]
In 1446, John Pympe and John Elmebrigge, were arbitrators between Hugh Stanlowe, esq. and John Orgar.Great Britain, Public Record Office, Lists and Indexes, Volume 12, p. 154, #502,[https://books.google.com/books?id=ofvfAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA154&lpg=PA154&dq=john+pympe+and+john+elmebrigge&source=bl&ots=G8G82KSocD&sig=ACfU3U1FRLqScznn321FKB5aUWktDUnL7A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjIl-WkjcLhAhWj8YMKHf_mAMcQ6AEwCXoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=john%20pympe%20and%20john%20elmebrigge&f=false RECORD OFFICE]
== Research Notes ==There are no reliable sources located to date providing evidence for [[St_Leger-69|Philippa St Leger]] as a spouse of John Pympe. [[Thomas-7679|Thomas-7679]] 07:38, 25 March 2019 (UTC). In "The Archaeologia cantiana, p.169 & 175" the author was of the opinion Philippa was a St. Leger, but without any sources.
Notice: the Archaeologia cantiana by Kent Archaeological Society. p. 166, 167, Kent Archaeological Society, the Archaeologia Cantiana, https://archive.org/details/archaeologiacant28kent/page/174is the pedigree that has been formerly used for the Pympe/Whetell family tree, but it isn’t consistent with the contemporary sources and therefore unreliable. A quote from MacMichael, N.H. of "The Descent of the Manor of Evegate in Smeeth---" "the account of Pympe family and their alliances by Mr. W. E. Ball (Ball is ungenerous in the extreme with his references--a large number of his statements are clearly wrong and conjectural."
== Sources ==
*Nichols, John Gough, The Topographer and Genealogist, Volume 1, 1846, p.519-520, Inquisitions in Latin, [https://books.google.com/books?id=CBwIAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA519&lpg=PA519&dq=john+pympe+died+1421&source=bl&ots=uHDvrc7H3w&sig=ACfU3U2UdnkRkQ-vvGljdqtFbJJbunoU1w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjgqezYwsThAhUq74MKHTgoBvk4HhDoATAEegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=john%20pympe%20died%201421&f=false Latin Inquisitions]
*The History of St. Mary The Virgin Church, Nettlestead, Maidstone, Kent. http://www.nettlesteadchurch.co.uk/history/
*mirror of Davis (1955) transcribed text at Rootsweb. [http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I03035 family tree link] ''Note: this family tree also has incorrect information regarding John Pympe's two wives.''
Events
| Birth | Abt 20 Jul 1417 | Nettlestead, Kent, England | |||
| Marriage | 24 Jul 1439 | Kent, England - Isabel Cheney | |||
| Marriage | 1447 | Kent, England - Lady Philippe Thornbury | |||
| Death | 8 Nov 1454 | Nettlestead, Kent, England | |||
| Reference No | 3925422 | ||||
| Reference No | 3997485 | ||||
| Reference No | 60 |
Families
| Spouse | Lady Philippe Thornbury (1431 - 1485) |
| Child | Anne Pympe (1454 - 1499) |
| Child | Sir Reynold Pympe (1448 - 1531) |
| Child | John Pympe (1447 - 1496) |
| Spouse | Isabel Cheney (1412 - 1447) |
| Child | Margery Pympe (1440 - 1481) |
| Father | John Pympe (1390 - 1421) |
| Mother | Unknown Delsey (1392 - 1438) |