Individual Details
Joseph VENABLE
(Bef 1788 - 1826 - 1830)
In 1992-1995 I exchanged information and material with Capt. Tom Gentry, of Mountain City, TN, in Johnson County. He was considered quite a local historian and was connected to the Venable and Worley families. In a family group sheet, he said that Joseph Venable might be "William Joseph". He did not have a birth year for Joseph. When I sent him a family group sheet for Lewis, he returned it with additions, one of which was to say that Joseph was born in North Carolina. His first letter of 25 July 1992 said: "It appears that old Joe Venable from NC married Matilda Merritt (1792-1866), a daughter of Major Merritt, of Montgomery Co. Va. When Joe Venable died she married" second: Valentine Van Huss (he died 1856 Johnson Co. Tn. His first wife was: Julianna Tucker, Wythe Co. Va. Old Valentine Van Huss was age 82 in 1850 census when Matilda was age 58, so he was much older than she." A bit later in the letter, he makes another comment about "Old Valentine".
Tom Gentry passed away in 2005. I wonder how he knew Joseph was "old" and if he was also a lot older than Matilda.
It is likely that Joseph served in the War of 1812. Possible:
U.S., War of 1812 Service Records, 1812-1815 U.S., War of 1812 Service Records, 1812-1815
Name: Joseph Venable
Company: 2 REGIMENT WEST TENNESSEE MILITIA.
Rank - Induction: PRIVATE
Rank - Discharge: PRIVATE
Roll Box: 216
Microfilm Publication: M602
There were two listings for a Joseph M. Venable, but there is also a pension card for him, with a widow, Mary, and it specifies surgeon, Capt. Dyers Field and Staff.
Lois Smith sent me a report in 2000 and has that Joseph's middle name was William.
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Posted By: Darrell McGraw
Email:
Subject: Re: Joseph W Venable 1760's
Post Date: June 10, 2008 at 15:56:48
Message URL: http://genforum.genealogy.com/venable/messages/1489.html
Forum: Venable Family Genealogy Forum
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Family Group Sheet
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Husband: Joseph VENABLE #1549
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Born: 1791 in Prince Edward Co. VA 1,2
Died: bef 1830 in Carter Co. TN 2
Buried: in
Father: Robert "Robin" VENABLE #5683
Mother: Sarah "Sally" MADISON #5693
The family moved to Carter Co. TN (present-day Johnson Co. TN). His full name may have been William Joseph or Joseph William.
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Wife: Matilda MERRITT #1550
Married: 10 Jun 1809 in Montgomery Co. VA 2,3
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Born: 1793 in VA 2
Died: 1866 in Johnson Co. TN 2
Buried: in
Father: Major MERRITT #9423
Mother: unknown #9424
She possibly died in Lynchburg, VA.
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M Child 1: Lewis VENABLE #1551
Born: 4 May 1810 in Washington Co. VA 4
Died: 3 Oct 1883 in Marion, Polk Co. MO
His will is filed in Will Book 'A', p. 311, Polk Co. MO-dated 4 Jul 1884. "He was a delegate to the Knoxville and Greenville conventions of 1861, voting against secession." Shultz source states d. date as 13 Sep 1883. Possible founder of Venable, Texas Co. MO
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F Child 2: Nancy Ann VENABLE 1 #5148
Born: c 1812 in 2
Died: c 1880 in
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M Child 3: James Merritt VENABLE 5 #533
Born: c 1813-1814 in Carter Co. TN 6
Died: 1869 in Lee Co. VA 7
Bill of sale of James M. Venable's estate dated 4 Jun 1869. Info from Carol Canfield, Rt 1, Box 118, Meeker, OK 74855
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M Child 4: Leroy VENABLE Sr. #5149
Born: 10 Apr 1816 in 8
Died: 29 Jan 1892 in 8
Source: Ann Venable [venbobann@insightbb.com-2006]
"More than a hundred descendants of Leroy and Permelia Isaacs Venable met Sunday, September 2, 1990, at the old home place of the late Matt and Verlie Venable near Vincent, KY for their annual homecoming. The family cemetery is on the hill overlooking Begley's Peaceful Valley Lake.
"During the Civil War the Venables first made their way to Owsley County from Lee County, VA, by wagons and caravans searching for a peaceful land. Leroy was but a lad as he came with his parents, Leroy Sr. and Rachell Venable and other family members to settle in the valley on Buck Creek. Leroy grew up and later married Permelia Isaacs (Aunt Melia or Sis) and raised eleven children, whom now have gone to their reward. Six of the original family members were represented along with a host of cousins and friends of this close knit and God fearing family.
"Almost a century ago the "Venable Meeting" was first started at the request of Leroy Venable, the first to be held being a Memorial Service to him on the second Sunday in October, 1904, the year which marked his passing. Since then, except for a few years between, this tradition has been carried on meeting annually for over fifty years, many of the clan plan and work the year 'round that this eveny may be a special one for all."
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F Child 5: Mary C. "Polly" VENABLE #5150
Born: c 1818-20 in 2
Died:
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F Child 6: Rebecca VENABLE #5151
Born: Nov 1822 in 2
Died: after 1880 in 2
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F Child 7: Sarah VENABLE #5152
Born:
Died:
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F Child 8: Lucinda VENABLE #5153
Born: 22 Oct 1826 in 2
Died: 14 Mar 1922 in 2
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F Child 9: Matilda VENABLE #5154
Born: 22 Oct 1826 in
Died: 8 Dec 1909 in Johnson Co. TN
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(1) Carol Canfield, Letter from Carol Canfield (Carol Canfield / 2 Oct 1997).
(2) Barbara Craddock Shultz, Barbara Craddock Shultz-The Whole Shebang(Ancestry.com One World Tree / 19 Oct 2004).
(3) Ruth Eggers Carroll, Lineage chart of Ruth Eggers Carroll (Ruth Eggers Carroll / Maryville, TN).
(4) Sharon Koleber, Email from Sharon Koleber (Sharon Koleber / 31 Aug 1992).
(5,6) Carol Canfield, Group sheet from Carol Canfield (Carol Canfield).
(7) Pat Smith, Pat Smith Family Info (Pat Smith / 22 Sep 2000), Pat Smith, email: pat_smith@sat.net.
(8) Ann Venable, Tombstone of Leroy Venable Sr. (Ann Venable / 2006).
Darrell L. McGraw
PO Box 211
Hixson, TN 37343
Email: dmac117@yahoo.com
NOTE: DAR has a Joseph E. Venable attached to Robert Venable of Prince Edward County married to Mary Ann Dunningham on 3 Dec 1832 in Prince Edward Co.
Here is DAR app info:
Joseph E Venable born on - - 1807 at Prince Edward Co VA
died at Petersburg VA on - Oct - 1881 and his ( 1st ) wife
Mary Ann Dunnington born on - - 1815 at Lynchburg VA
died at Petersburg VA on (c) - - 1872 married on 6 - Dec - 1832
married at Prince Edward Co VA
5. The Said Joseph E Venable was the child of
Robert Venable Sr born on 7 - Feb - 1760 at Louisa Co VA
died at Prince Edward Co VA on - Sep - 1826 and his ( 1st ) wife
Sarah Madison born on - - at _______________
died at Pr Edward Co VA on (p) - - 1825 married on 15 - Dec - 1786
Married at Charlotte Co VA
NOTE: Have since obtained death record of that Joseph E Venable stating he was definitely the child of Robert Venable and Sally Madison. Also have Sally's father's probate in 1841 indicating that Joseph was still alive. Definitely NOT my Joseph's parents.
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Check Ashe Co., NC, for possible origin for Joseph. Lewis Venable's daughter, Lucinda Jane, married Abner Eggers there, so the family probably had connections there.
July 2013 I spoke with James Jeffrey, head genealogy librarian at the Denver Public Library, about Joseph. He pointed out that for Joseph to have signed for himself at his marriage, he had to be at least 21, so born no later than 1788.
The book "A History of Michael Worley" by Audrey L. Woodruff, on page 10, says that Valentine VanHuss' second or third wife was Mrs. Matilda Venable, "widow of a Methodist minister."
Tom Gentry passed away in 2005. I wonder how he knew Joseph was "old" and if he was also a lot older than Matilda.
It is likely that Joseph served in the War of 1812. Possible:
U.S., War of 1812 Service Records, 1812-1815 U.S., War of 1812 Service Records, 1812-1815
Name: Joseph Venable
Company: 2 REGIMENT WEST TENNESSEE MILITIA.
Rank - Induction: PRIVATE
Rank - Discharge: PRIVATE
Roll Box: 216
Microfilm Publication: M602
There were two listings for a Joseph M. Venable, but there is also a pension card for him, with a widow, Mary, and it specifies surgeon, Capt. Dyers Field and Staff.
Lois Smith sent me a report in 2000 and has that Joseph's middle name was William.
http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/print.cgi?venable::1489.html
Posted By: Darrell McGraw
Email:
Subject: Re: Joseph W Venable 1760's
Post Date: June 10, 2008 at 15:56:48
Message URL: http://genforum.genealogy.com/venable/messages/1489.html
Forum: Venable Family Genealogy Forum
Forum URL: http://genforum.genealogy.com/venable/
Family Group Sheet
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Husband: Joseph VENABLE #1549
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Born: 1791 in Prince Edward Co. VA 1,2
Died: bef 1830 in Carter Co. TN 2
Buried: in
Father: Robert "Robin" VENABLE #5683
Mother: Sarah "Sally" MADISON #5693
The family moved to Carter Co. TN (present-day Johnson Co. TN). His full name may have been William Joseph or Joseph William.
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Wife: Matilda MERRITT #1550
Married: 10 Jun 1809 in Montgomery Co. VA 2,3
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Born: 1793 in VA 2
Died: 1866 in Johnson Co. TN 2
Buried: in
Father: Major MERRITT #9423
Mother: unknown #9424
She possibly died in Lynchburg, VA.
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M Child 1: Lewis VENABLE #1551
Born: 4 May 1810 in Washington Co. VA 4
Died: 3 Oct 1883 in Marion, Polk Co. MO
His will is filed in Will Book 'A', p. 311, Polk Co. MO-dated 4 Jul 1884. "He was a delegate to the Knoxville and Greenville conventions of 1861, voting against secession." Shultz source states d. date as 13 Sep 1883. Possible founder of Venable, Texas Co. MO
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F Child 2: Nancy Ann VENABLE 1 #5148
Born: c 1812 in 2
Died: c 1880 in
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M Child 3: James Merritt VENABLE 5 #533
Born: c 1813-1814 in Carter Co. TN 6
Died: 1869 in Lee Co. VA 7
Bill of sale of James M. Venable's estate dated 4 Jun 1869. Info from Carol Canfield, Rt 1, Box 118, Meeker, OK 74855
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M Child 4: Leroy VENABLE Sr. #5149
Born: 10 Apr 1816 in 8
Died: 29 Jan 1892 in 8
Source: Ann Venable [venbobann@insightbb.com-2006]
"More than a hundred descendants of Leroy and Permelia Isaacs Venable met Sunday, September 2, 1990, at the old home place of the late Matt and Verlie Venable near Vincent, KY for their annual homecoming. The family cemetery is on the hill overlooking Begley's Peaceful Valley Lake.
"During the Civil War the Venables first made their way to Owsley County from Lee County, VA, by wagons and caravans searching for a peaceful land. Leroy was but a lad as he came with his parents, Leroy Sr. and Rachell Venable and other family members to settle in the valley on Buck Creek. Leroy grew up and later married Permelia Isaacs (Aunt Melia or Sis) and raised eleven children, whom now have gone to their reward. Six of the original family members were represented along with a host of cousins and friends of this close knit and God fearing family.
"Almost a century ago the "Venable Meeting" was first started at the request of Leroy Venable, the first to be held being a Memorial Service to him on the second Sunday in October, 1904, the year which marked his passing. Since then, except for a few years between, this tradition has been carried on meeting annually for over fifty years, many of the clan plan and work the year 'round that this eveny may be a special one for all."
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F Child 5: Mary C. "Polly" VENABLE #5150
Born: c 1818-20 in 2
Died:
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F Child 6: Rebecca VENABLE #5151
Born: Nov 1822 in 2
Died: after 1880 in 2
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F Child 7: Sarah VENABLE #5152
Born:
Died:
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F Child 8: Lucinda VENABLE #5153
Born: 22 Oct 1826 in 2
Died: 14 Mar 1922 in 2
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F Child 9: Matilda VENABLE #5154
Born: 22 Oct 1826 in
Died: 8 Dec 1909 in Johnson Co. TN
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(1) Carol Canfield, Letter from Carol Canfield (Carol Canfield / 2 Oct 1997).
(2) Barbara Craddock Shultz, Barbara Craddock Shultz-The Whole Shebang(Ancestry.com One World Tree / 19 Oct 2004).
(3) Ruth Eggers Carroll, Lineage chart of Ruth Eggers Carroll (Ruth Eggers Carroll / Maryville, TN).
(4) Sharon Koleber, Email from Sharon Koleber (Sharon Koleber / 31 Aug 1992).
(5,6) Carol Canfield, Group sheet from Carol Canfield (Carol Canfield).
(7) Pat Smith, Pat Smith Family Info (Pat Smith / 22 Sep 2000), Pat Smith, email: pat_smith@sat.net.
(8) Ann Venable, Tombstone of Leroy Venable Sr. (Ann Venable / 2006).
Darrell L. McGraw
PO Box 211
Hixson, TN 37343
Email: dmac117@yahoo.com
NOTE: DAR has a Joseph E. Venable attached to Robert Venable of Prince Edward County married to Mary Ann Dunningham on 3 Dec 1832 in Prince Edward Co.
Here is DAR app info:
Joseph E Venable born on - - 1807 at Prince Edward Co VA
died at Petersburg VA on - Oct - 1881 and his ( 1st ) wife
Mary Ann Dunnington born on - - 1815 at Lynchburg VA
died at Petersburg VA on (c) - - 1872 married on 6 - Dec - 1832
married at Prince Edward Co VA
5. The Said Joseph E Venable was the child of
Robert Venable Sr born on 7 - Feb - 1760 at Louisa Co VA
died at Prince Edward Co VA on - Sep - 1826 and his ( 1st ) wife
Sarah Madison born on - - at _______________
died at Pr Edward Co VA on (p) - - 1825 married on 15 - Dec - 1786
Married at Charlotte Co VA
NOTE: Have since obtained death record of that Joseph E Venable stating he was definitely the child of Robert Venable and Sally Madison. Also have Sally's father's probate in 1841 indicating that Joseph was still alive. Definitely NOT my Joseph's parents.
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Check Ashe Co., NC, for possible origin for Joseph. Lewis Venable's daughter, Lucinda Jane, married Abner Eggers there, so the family probably had connections there.
July 2013 I spoke with James Jeffrey, head genealogy librarian at the Denver Public Library, about Joseph. He pointed out that for Joseph to have signed for himself at his marriage, he had to be at least 21, so born no later than 1788.
The book "A History of Michael Worley" by Audrey L. Woodruff, on page 10, says that Valentine VanHuss' second or third wife was Mrs. Matilda Venable, "widow of a Methodist minister."
Events
| Birth | Bef 1788 | VA or NC |  | ||
| Marriage bond | 19 May 1809 | Montgomery Co., Virginia - Matilda MERRITT | | ||
| Marriage | 10 Jun 1809 | Montgomery Co., Virginia - Matilda MERRITT |  | ||
| Property | 22 Jul 1824 | Entry No. 224, per survey of Nov. 1824. No deed found yet. - Carter Co., Tennessee | |||
| Court Records | Aug 1824 | Road Hands List - Carter Co., Tennessee | |||
| Survey | 25 Nov 1824 | Carter Co., Tennessee | |||
| Court Records | Nov 1825 | Road Hands List - Carter Co., Tennessee | |||
| Death | 1826 - 1830 | Carter Co., Tennessee | |||
| Reference No | 869 |
Families
| Spouse | Matilda MERRITT (1791 - 1866) |
| Child | Rev. Lewis VENABLE (1810 - 1883) |
| Child | Nancy Ann VENABLE (1811 - 1880) |
| Child | James Merritt VENABLE (1813 - 1869) |
| Child | LeRoy VENABLE (1816 - 1892) |
| Child | Mary C VENABLE (1818 - 1860) |
| Child | Rebecca VENABLE (1819 - 1900) |
| Child | Sarah VENABLE (1823 - 1842) |
| Child | Lucinda "Twin" "Sinda" VENABLE (1826 - 1922) |
| Child | Matilda "Twin" VENABLE (1826 - 1909) |
Notes
Birth
Joseph Venable--where was he bornDaughter Lucinda Venable Rainbolt 's death certificate said Virginia, as did 1880, 1900 and 1910 census. (Death cert said she was born VA too, but all census said TN.)
Daughter Matilda Venable Rainbolt in 1880 said he was born VA but 1900 said TN. Her death record didn't ask information on parents.
Son Leroy in 1880 census said father was born VA.
Marriage bond
I called Court on 23 No 2015 to see if they had a permission slip with the marriage bond. They called me back the next day and said they don't. There aren't any permission slips surviving from that time in their office.Endnotes
1. Marriage Transcription.