Individual Details
Tillie TURTEL
(18 Aug 1892 - Mar 1980)
Events
| Birth | 1889 |  | |||
| Birth | 4 Sep 1889 | New York, United States | | ||
| Birth | 4 Sep | | |||
| Birth | 4 Sep 1889 | Berlin, Berlin, Germany | | ||
| Birth | Abt 1890 | Germany | | ||
| Birth | Bef 8 Aug 1890 | Germany |  | | |
| Birth | 4 Sep 1890 | Berlin, Berlin, Germany | | | |
| Birth | Abt 1892 or 1890 | Germany | | ||
| Birth | 1892 | Germany | | ||
| Birth | 18 Aug 1892 | Germany | | ||
| Immigration | 1900 | | |||
| Emigration | 22 Aug 1901 | Hamburg, Germany | | ||
| Immigration | 1902 | | | ||
| Residence | 1 Jun 1905 | in the Louis Turtel household - 534 Fifth Street, Manhattan, New York, New York, United States | | ||
| Residence | Apr 1910 | (niece in household of Louis and Sadie Turtel) - 534 Fifth Street, Manhattan, New York, New York, United States | | | |
| Adoption | Aft 1910 | New York, New York, United States | |||
| Marriage | 9 Apr 1912 | Manhattan, New York, New York, United States - Herbert Charles LARDNER | | | |
| Marriage License | 9 Apr 1912 | Manhattan, New York, New York, United States - Herbert Charles LARDNER | | ||
| Residence (family) | 8 Aug 1913 | 3017 W 23rd St, Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States - Herbert Charles LARDNER | | ||
| Immigration | 1916 | Age: 26 | | ||
| Arrival | 1916 | | |||
| Residence (family) | 27 Mar 1917 | 2915 West 27th Street, Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States - Herbert Charles LARDNER | | ||
| Naturalization | 6 Jul 1917 | (because her husband was naturalized), Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States | | | |
| Residence (family) | Jan 1920 | (rented home) - 472 28th Street [?], Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States - Herbert Charles LARDNER | | ||
| Residence (family) | 1930 | 28 Abbey, Kingston, Ulster, New York, United States - Herbert Charles LARDNER | | ||
| Residence (family) | 1 Apr 1930 | with two children (Walter and Alice) - 28 Abbey St., Kingston, Ulster, New York, United States - Herbert Charles LARDNER | | ||
| Residence | 1931 | Kingston, Ulster, New York, United States | | ||
| Residence (family) | 1932 | 28 Abbey, Kingston, Ulster, New York, United States - Herbert Charles LARDNER | | ||
| Residence | 1933 | Kingston, Ulster, New York, United States | | ||
| Residence (family) | Apr 1935 | Kingston, Ulster, New York, United States - Herbert Charles LARDNER | | ||
| Residence (family) | 1936 | (with Herbert and children) - 37 Meade, Kingston, Ulster, New York, United States - Herbert Charles LARDNER | | ||
| Residence (family) | 1937 | (with with children Alice and Walter) - 37 Meade, Kingston, Ulster, New York, United States - Herbert Charles LARDNER | | ||
| Residence (family) | 1939 | with wife Tillie and children Alice and Walter, - 114 O'Neil, Kingston, Ulster, New York, United States - Herbert Charles LARDNER | | ||
| Residence (family) | Apr 1940 | (in an owned home, worth $1400) - Whiteport, Rosendale, Ulster, New York, United States - Herbert Charles LARDNER | | ||
| Residence (family) | 25 Apr 1942 | Route 1, Box 40, Whiteport, Ulster, New York, United States - Herbert Charles LARDNER | | ||
| Residence | 1 Apr 1950 | widowed, with two grand-children, at same address as Walter Lardner, - 69 Saratoga Av., Waterford, Saratoga, New York, United States | | ||
| Residence | Jun 1954 | Northside, Waterford, Saratoga, New York, United States | | ||
| Death | Mar 1980 | Colorado Springs, El Paso, Colorado, United States | | | |
| Burial | Aft Mar 1980 | Tillson, Ulster, New York, United States | | ||
| Alt name | Lillie | | |||
| Alt name | Otillie TURTLE | | |||
| Alt name | Tillie TURLD | | |||
| Alt name | Tillie TUSTEL | ||||
| Alt name | Mathilda LARDNER | | |||
| Education | 8 years of school | | |||
| Soc Sec No | 077-10-4861 | | |||
| Soc Sec No | 060-52-4374 | | |||
| Arrival | New York, United States | |
Families
| Spouse | Herbert Charles LARDNER (1890 - 1946) |
| Child | Walter Christopher LARDNER (1913 - 1994) |
| Child | Living |
| Father | Louis TURTEL (1872 - 1936) |
| Mother | Sadie PHILLIPS (1872 - 1936) |
| Sibling | Julius TURTEL (1902 - 1993) |
| Father | Max BAGANSKI (1874 - 1926) |
| Mother | Fannie CZERNIJEWSKI (1873 - ) |
| Sibling | Hattie BAGANSKI (1900 - ) |
| Sibling | Julius TURTEL (1902 - 1993) |
Notes
Birth
Consistent with censuses: 19201940 census suggests 1892
Birth
Consistent with censuses: 1920Birth
Inferred from 1910 census.Immigration
1920 census says 1916, but that is clearly incorrect because her son was born in NY in 1913.Residence
She is identified as a "niece" in the 1910 census record.Marriage
Consistent with birth certificate of son.Naturalization
Consistent with 1940 censusDeath
Consistent with burial documentation on Find-A-GraveAlt name
We had always thought this was the name until we saw the birth certificate for Christopher Lardner.Endnotes
1. Find A Grave, Inc., Find A Grave, index and digital images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 20 February 2024), Herbert Lardner, memorial #30920202.
2. "United States Social Security Death Index," database, Family Search (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JBGQ-H6J: accessed 29 June 2015), Tillie Lardner, Mar 1980.
3. Dorothy Van Keuren Lardner Birthday Book, 1934-2008?, Daily Maxims: A Birthday Text-book (Chicago, Illinois: M. A. Donohue & Co., n.d.), entry for September 4 "Mama Lardner"; privately held by James W. Moore, , Potomac, MD 20854, 2018. On the inside front cover is written "Dorothy Van Keuren from Mary McNutt[?], Xmas - 1934." Barbara Lardner Moore, Dorothy's daughter, took it from her home after her death and gave it to the present owner. The entries were made with various pencils, pens, etc..
4. Pink Album, scrapbook, about 1947–1953, scanned images of the original taken August 2022 by James W. Moore, privately held by James W. Moore, , Potomac, MD 20854, 2022 (son-in-law). "baby book" album of photos and notations related to youth of Barbara Lardner; https://moorespotomacmd.jalbum.net/Moore-LardnerFamilyPhotos/Jim-Barb-Family/BarbaraLardner/Barb-Youth/BarbPinkAlbum/index.html, pp. 21-22, brief family tree of Barbara Lardner, "Grandmother / Birthplace Berlin, Germany / Date September 4, 1889". The album was taken by Barbara Lardner (daughter) from the estate of Dorothy Van Keuren Lardner and imaged as noted..
5. "New York, County Naturalization Records, 1791-1980," database index with images, FamilySearch.org (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP3H-ZC2W: downloaded 2 December 2018), Kings County, Petition no. 30701, Herbert Charles Lardner, 27 Mar 1917; citing digital folder 005412451, image 00278.
6. 1950 U.S. census, Saratoga County, New York||Saratoga Co., NY, population schedule, Waterford, enumeration district (ED) 46-96, sheet 3, lines 7-13, dwelling 34, 69 Saratoga Av., Walter C. Lardner; database index with images, Ancestry.com (https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/62308/ : accessed 6 September 2022) > New York > Saratoga > Waterford > 46-96, image 4 of 29; Population Schedules for the 1950 Census, 1950 - 1950. NAID: 43290879. Records of the Bureau of the Census, 1790 - 2007, Record Group 29. National Archives at Washington, DC., Washington, DC..
7. New York, New York || NYC, NY, birth certificate no. 26907 (9 August 1913), Christopher Lardner; Bureau of Vital Records, Department of Health, New York, New York.
8. Dorothy Van Keuren Lardner, Hudson Falls, NY, to James W. Moore, personal letter, July 1984, Lardner-Van Keuren family history; Moore-Lardner Family Genealogy, looseleaf evidence file #135; privately held by James W. Moore, , Potomac, MD 20854. mailed by writer to current holder.
9. 1940, Ulster County, New York, population schedule, Rosendale Town, enumeration district (ED) 56-64, Sheet 9A, Family Number 341, Line Number 34, Walter C Lardner (https://familysearch.org/search/linker?pal=/pal:/MM9.1.1/K315-QTP&id=L6GG-4B6&hinting=%2Ftree%2F%23view%3Dancestor%26person%3DL6GG-4B6&icid=ft-hinting); index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org : accessed 11 March 2015); citing enumeration district (ED) 56-64, NARA digital publication T627 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 2012), roll 2795.
10. "U.S., Social Security Application and Claims Index, 1936-2007," database index, Ancestry.com (https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60901/: accessed 16 November 2015), Tillie Turtel Lardner, birth date 18 Aug 1892, Federal Republic of Germany; citing Social Security Applications and Claims, 1936-2007.
11. Census 1910, Manhattan, New York City, New York, population schedule, Ward 17, enumeration district (ED) SD 1, ED 916, sheet 8B, dwelling 14, family 124, Louis Turtel family (FHL microfilm 1,375,046); database, Family Search (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M57W-F77 : accessed 29 June 2015); citing NARA microfilm publication T624 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).
12. "Hamburg Passenger Lists, 1850-1934," online database index with images, Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2008, Ancestry (http://search.ancestry.com: accessed 16 November 2015), https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/855161:1068, Tilli Turtel; citing Staatsarchiv Hamburg, Bestand: 373-7 I, VIII (Auswanderungsamt I). Mikrofilmrollen K 1701 - K 2008, S 17363 - S 17383, 13116 - 13183.
13. 1930 U. S. Census, Ulster County, New York||Ulster Co., NY, population schedule, Kingston, Ward 3, enumeration district (ED) 56-15, sheet 10-A, p. 65 (stamped), p. 8701 (pencilled), 28 Abbey St., dwelling 213, family 248, Herbert Lardner family; database index with digital images, Ancestry.com (https://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=6224 : downloaded 13 November 2018); citing United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Fifteenth Census of the United States, 1930. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1930. T626, 2,667 rolls.
14. "New York, State Census, 1905," index and images, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org: accessed 26 February 2024), Louis Turtle household ( https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSRS-5XH ).
15. Census 1910, Manhattan, New York City, New York, population schedule, Ward 17, enumeration district (ED) SD 1, ED 916, sheet 8B, dwelling 14, family 124, Louis Turtel family (FHL microfilm 1,375,046); database, Family Search (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M57W-F77 : accessed 29 June 2015); citing NARA microfilm publication T624 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).
16. "New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1866-1938," database, Family Search (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:243J-XR8: accessed 29 June 2015), Herbert C. Larduer (sic) and Tillie Turld (sic), 09 Apr 1912.
17. "New York, New York, Extracted Marriage Index, 1866-1937," database index, Ancestry.com (https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/9105/: viewed 16 November 2015), Herbert C Lardner and Tillie Turtel, 9 April 1912, Manhattan, certificate # 8390; citing Italian Genealogical Group and German Genealogical Group, "Index to New York City Marriages, 1866-1937".
18. "New York City Marriage License Index 1908-1972," database index with images, MyHeritage (https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10459-259218-/herbert-c-lardner-and-tillie-turtel-in-new-york-city-marriage-license-index: downloaded 22 June 2018), Manhattan, April 9, 1912, Herbert C. Lardner, groom, referencing vol. 2, certificate 9382; citing Reclaim the Records.
19. "New York City Marriage License Index 1908-1972," database index with images, MyHeritage (https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10459-259218-S/herbert-c-lardner-and-tillie-turtel-in-new-york-city-marriage-license-index: downloaded 22 June 2018), Manhattan, April 9, 1912, Tillie Turtel, bride, referencing vol. 2, certificate 9382; citing Reclaim the Records.
20. New York, New York || NYC, NY, birth certificate no. 26907 (9 August 1913), Christopher Lardner; Bureau of Vital Records, Department of Health, New York, New York.
21. Census 1920, Kings County, New York, population schedule, Brooklyn, enumeration district (ED) Assembly District 16, sheet 9B, dwelling 98, family 207 , Herbert Cardoner (sic) family; index and images, Family Search (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJRD-QHN : accessed 28 June 2015); citing NARA microfilm publication T625 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).
22. Ancestry.com, 1920 United States Federal Census (Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010), Year: 1920; Census Place: Brooklyn Assembly District 16, Kings, New York; Roll: T625_1170; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 998.
23. "New York, County Naturalization Records, 1791-1980," database index with images, FamilySearch.org (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP3H-ZC2W: downloaded 2 December 2018), Kings County, Petition no. 30701, Herbert Charles Lardner, 27 Mar 1917; citing digital folder 005412451, image 00278.
24. 1940, Ulster County, New York, population schedule, Whiteport, Rosendale, enumeration district (ED) SD 27, ED 56-64, Sheet 9A, Family Number 341, Line Number 34, Herbert C Lardner (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K315-QTL); index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org : accessed 29 June 2015); citing enumeration district (ED) 56-64, NARA digital publication T627 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 2012), roll 2795.
25. "New York, County Naturalization Records, 1791-1980," database index with images, FamilySearch.org (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP3H-ZC2W: downloaded 2 December 2018), Kings County, Petition no. 30701, Herbert Charles Lardner, 27 Mar 1917; citing digital folder 005412451, image 00278.
26. Census 1920, Kings County, New York, population schedule, Brooklyn, enumeration district (ED) Assembly District 16, sheet 9B, dwelling 98, family 207 , Herbert Cardoner (sic) family; index and images, Family Search (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJRD-QHN : accessed 28 June 2015); citing NARA microfilm publication T625 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).
27. "U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995," database index with images, Ancestry (https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/2469/: accessed 20 January 2017), New York > Kingston > 1930 > Kingston, New York, City Directory, 1930, p 253, "Lardner Herbert (Tillie) moving picture opr h 28 Abbey".
28. 1930 U. S. Census, Ulster County, New York||Ulster Co., NY, population schedule, Kingston, Ward 3, enumeration district (ED) 56-15, sheet 10-A, p. 65 (stamped), p. 8701 (pencilled), 28 Abbey St., dwelling 213, family 248, Herbert Lardner family; database index with digital images, Ancestry.com (https://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=6224 : downloaded 13 November 2018); citing United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Fifteenth Census of the United States, 1930. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1930. T626, 2,667 rolls.
29. "U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995," database index with images, Ancestry (https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/2469/: accessed 20 January 2017) > New York > Kingston > 1931 > "Kingston, New York, City Directory, 1931", image 144 of 336, Kingston, New York, City Directory, 1931, p 272, "Lardner Herbert C (Tillie) moving picture opr NY h 28 Abbey"; ( https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/88129394:2469 ).
30. "U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995," database index with images, Ancestry (https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/2469/: accessed 16 November 2015) New York > Kingston > 1932 > "Kingston, New York, City Directory, 1932", image 134 of 313, p. 264, "Lardner Herbert C (Tillie) moving picture opr NY h 28 Abbey"; ( https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/87944564:2469 ).
31. "U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995," database index with images, Ancestry (https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/2469/: accessed 20 January 2017), New York > Kingston > 1933 > Kingston, New York, City Directory, 1933, p 256, "Lardner Herbert C (Tillie) rem to NY".
32. 1940, Ulster County, New York, population schedule, Whiteport, Rosendale, enumeration district (ED) SD 27, ED 56-64, Sheet 9A, Family Number 341, Line Number 34, Herbert C Lardner (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K315-QTL); index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org : accessed 29 June 2015); citing enumeration district (ED) 56-64, NARA digital publication T627 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 2012), roll 2795.
33. "U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995," database index with images, Ancestry (https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/2469/: accessed 20 January 2017), New York > Kingston > 1936 > Kingston, New York, City Directory, 1936, p 346, "Lardner Alice P r 37 Meade --Herbert C (Tillie) projectionist NY h 37 Meade --Walter C student r 37 Meade".
34. "U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995," database index with images, Ancestry (https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/2469/: accessed 20 January 2017), New York > Kingston > 1937 > Kingston, New York, City Directory, 1937, p 351, "Lardner...Herbert C (Tillie) projectionist NY h 37 Meade".
35. "U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995," database index with images, Ancestry (https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/2469/: accessed 20 January 2017), New York > Kingston > 1939 > Kingston, New York, City Directory, 1939, image 198 (p. 384), "Lardner...Herbert C (Tillie) projectionist NY r 114 O'Neil".
36. 1940, Ulster County, New York, population schedule, Whiteport, Rosendale, enumeration district (ED) SD 27, ED 56-64, Sheet 9A, Family Number 341, Line Number 34, Herbert C Lardner (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K315-QTL); index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org : accessed 29 June 2015); citing enumeration district (ED) 56-64, NARA digital publication T627 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 2012), roll 2795.
37. "U.S., World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942," database index with images, Ancestry.com (https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/1002/: accessed 20 February 2024) > New York > All > "Lapp, Charles - Larson, Helmer", image 417 of 2110, Herbert Christopher Lardner; citing Selective Service Registration Cards, World War II: Fourth Registration, Records of the Selective Service System, Record Group Number 147, National Archives and Records Administration.
38. 1950 U.S. census, Saratoga County, New York||Saratoga Co., NY, population schedule, Waterford, enumeration district (ED) 46-96, sheet 3, lines 7-13, dwelling 34, 69 Saratoga Av., Walter C. Lardner; database index with images, Ancestry.com (https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/62308/ : accessed 6 September 2022) > New York > Saratoga > Waterford > 46-96, image 4 of 29; Population Schedules for the 1950 Census, 1950 - 1950. NAID: 43290879. Records of the Bureau of the Census, 1790 - 2007, Record Group 29. National Archives at Washington, DC., Washington, DC..
39. "To Be Ordained," The (Troy, NY) Times Record, 5 June 1954, 10:5; online page images, Newspapers.com (https://www.newspapers.com : accessed 4 April 2021). https://www.newspapers.com/clip/75102620/ordination/.
40. "United States Social Security Death Index," database, Family Search (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JBGQ-H6J: accessed 29 June 2015), Tillie Lardner, Mar 1980.
41. Dorothy Van Keuren Lardner, Hudson Falls, NY, to James W. Moore, personal letter, July 1984, ; Moore-Lardner Family Genealogy, looseleaf evidence file #229-1; privately held by James W. Moore, , Potomac, MD. mailed by writer to current holder.
42. Find A Grave, Inc., Find A Grave, index and digital images (https://www.findagrave.com : viewed 13 November 2018), memorial ID # 30920210, tombstone: Herbert (1889-1946) [and] Tillie (1889-1980) Lardner, Rosendale Plains Cemetery, Tillson, Ulster, NY.
43. Ancestry.com, 1930 United States Federal Census (Ancestry.com Operations Inc), Year: 1930; Census Place: Kingston, Ulster, New York; Roll: 1655; Page: 10A; Enumeration District: 15; Image: 133.0; FHL microfilm: 2341389.
44. "New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1866-1938," database, Family Search (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:243J-XR8: accessed 29 June 2015), Herbert C. Larduer (sic) and Tillie Turld, 09 Apr 1912.
45. "U.S. WWII Draft Cards Young Men, 1940-1947," database index with images, Ancestry.com (https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/2238/: accessed 14 October 2022) > New York (State) > Jendrian-Latak > "Lapone, Dominick-Larkin, John G", image 1417 of 2144.
46. 1940, Ulster County, New York, population schedule, Whiteport, Rosendale, enumeration district (ED) SD 27, ED 56-64, Sheet 9A, Family Number 341, Line Number 34, Herbert C Lardner (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K315-QTL); index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org : accessed 29 June 2015); citing enumeration district (ED) 56-64, NARA digital publication T627 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 2012), roll 2795.
47. "U.S., Social Security Application and Claims Index, 1936-2007," database index, Ancestry.com (https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60901/: accessed 16 November 2015), Tillie Turtel Lardner, birth date 18 Aug 1892, Federal Republic of Germany; citing Social Security Applications and Claims, 1936-2007.
48. "United States Social Security Death Index," database, Family Search (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JBGQ-H6J: accessed 29 June 2015), Tillie Lardner, Mar 1980.
49. Staatsarchiv Hamburg, Hamburg Passenger Lists, 1850-1934 (Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2008), Staatsarchiv Hamburg; Hamburg, Deutschland; Hamburger Passagierlisten; Volume: 373-7 I, VIII A 1 Band 122; Page: 1692; Microfilm No.: K_1770.