Individual Details
Robert Whitney
(Abt 1440 - Bef 6 Oct 1494)
== Biography ==
Robert Whitney (born c. 1440,birth year not stated in Richardson; guess based on father's birth given by Richardson as c. 1411 and the statement (also Richardson) that Robert "was attainted as a Yorkist by the Lancastrian Parliament in 1459." perhaps 1436 or 1443given as birth year by several profiles, but no sources) was son and heir of Eustace by Joan Trussell (he was their only child).Source: [[#Richardson]] Robert Whitney, Esq., was Sheriff of Herefordshire, 1474-5.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestry.net Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol I, pp 354-355, BEVAN #13, #14 Robert Whitney, #15. Also Vol V, p 199
He was described as "Robert Whyteney, esq., lord of Whyteney" in a deed documenting the gift of a messuage and 8 acres of arable land lying in Yeuanes Crofte to Howell ap Richard a Badam in 1474 (Whitney Manor Record #6). This record would indicate that he was not a knight, and that his death was at least after 1474.
=== Family ===:'''Father''': Eustace Whitney, Esq. (born about 1411) of Whitney...Knight of the Shire of Herefordshire. Eustace was the son and heir of Robert Whitney, Knt., and Angharad, daughter of Madog ap Ieaun Goch. Eustace married (1) Joan Trussell, (2) Jane Clifford, daughter of Robert Clifford, Knt.
:'''Mother''': Eustace's first wife Joan Trussell, daughter of Sir William Trussell and his wife Margery Ludlow.
:'''Wives'''
: 1. Constance, daughter of James Tuchet, Lord Audley, by his second wife Eleanor, illegitimate daughter of Edmund Holand, K.G., 4th Earl of Kent :: "He married firstly, about 1460, Constance Touchet, daughter of James and Alianore (de Holand) Touchet. She was born about 1443, Heleigh, Staffordshire, and died say 1464."For a more detailed analysis of the order of Whitney's wives and the documentation of three of his children, see Adrian Benjamin Burke's two articles: "The Two Wives of Robert Whitney, Esq., Lord of Whitney: A Note on the Proof of Royal Descent of John Bevan," Foundations (2008) 2 (5):350-357, and "The Two Wives of Robert Whitney, Esq., Lord of Whitney: Additional Notes," Foundations (2008) 2 (6):451-454, plus David L. Kent's, "Letter to the Editor: The Two Wives of Robert Whitney," Foundations (2008) 2 (6):454 and Burke's response "Further Comment on Whitney," Foundations (2009) 3 (9). These articles are available through online subscription with The Foundation for Medieval Genealogy.
: 2. Elizabeth, daughter of Thomas Vaughan of Hergest, Herefordshire by Ellen Gethin, daugher of Dafydd ap Cadwgan ap Phylip Dorddu.::"He married secondly, say 1465, Elizabeth or Alice Vaughn, daughter of Thomas and Ellen (Gethyn) Vaughn. She was born in Hergest and died sometime after 4 May 1525."
:'''Children'''
:by Constance Tuchet
* Joan Whitney * Eleanor Whitney (wife of Thomas Vaughan, Knt., of Bredwardine)
:by Elizabeth Vaughan
:'''sons'''
* James Whitney, Esq.
* John Whitney
* Hugh Whitney
* Robert Whitney
:'''daughters'''
* Eleanor Whitney (wife of John Puleston)
* Sibyl Whitney (wife of Roger ap Richard)
* Elizabeth Whitney (wife of John Pye)
:Robert Whitney was attainted as a Yorkist by the Lancastrian Parliament in 1459.
:He was Sheriff, 1475; marriage to Alice [sic] Vaughan; her ancestry; Epithalamium by Lewis Glyn Cothi; marriage to Constance Touchett; her descent from William the Conqueror.[http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Archive:The_Ancestry_of_John_Whitney,_Chapter_IV,_Part_1 Archive:The Ancestry of John Whitney, Chapter IV, Part 1]
:Robert Whitney '''died''' shortly before October 6, 1494. His widow Elizabeth (Vaughan) was living May 4, 1525.
== Research Notes ==: Birth dates for his children by his two wives as shown in their WikiTree profiles need work (see Robert's "[http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Whitney-471/300 Family Group Sheet]"). ''in profile prior to June 24, 2017, with following information.''
: ''Update June 24, 2017'' - Found where 1436 birth and several quotes are from: [http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney,_Robert_(c1436-1494) this page] from the [http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Main_Page Whitney Research Group]'s website. The page, "[http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney,_Robert_(c1436-1494) Family:Whiney, Robert (c1436-1494)]," is also the source of "about 1460" for marriage to Constance and "say 1465" for second marriage (to "Elizabeth or Alice Vaughn"). Sources are noted there, and discussed.
: Richardson and [http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney,_Robert_(c1436-1494) WRG] show Robert's wives as (1) Constance and (2) daughter of Thomas Vaughan of Hergest, Herefordshire (Richardson names her Elizabeth, while WRG has "Elizabeth or Alice").Douglas Richardson, ''Royal Ancestry,'' Vol 1, p 355, BEVAN #14 Richardson does not give birth or marriage dates for Robert's wives under Bevan, and the following information from Wikipedia, which cites Richardson as source, is in conflict with the information in Richardson's ''Royal Ancestry.'' The Wikipedia article is for Constance's father, "James Tuchet, 5th Lord Audley" (which does agree with Richardson).''Royal Ancestry,'' BEVAN #14 and TUCHET #15 (Vol V, pp 197-199):
:: "Constance Touchet (born c. 1432), who in 1464 married (as his second wife) Sir Robert Whitney (born 1436 - aft. 1467), an active participant in the Wars of the Roses, son of Eustace Whitney and Jennet Trussell[1][2][3] and widower of Alice Vaughn, daughter of Thomas Vaughn.[5]"Wikipedia: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Tuchet,_5th_Baron_Audley James Tuchet, 5th Baron Audley]
#Douglas Richardson. ''Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families,'' Genealogical Publishing Company, Jul 30, 2005.#Douglas Richardson. ''Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families,'' 2nd Edition, Vol. II.#Douglas Richardson. ''Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study In Colonial and Medieval Families,'' Genealogical Publishing Com, Jun 30, 2004.
#[not cited in quoted text]#''Genealogical and Personal Memoirs'' by William Richard Cutter, p. 1398
== Sources ==
:See also:
* LDS FHL AF # 9246-KL* "[http://users.legacyfamilytree.com/USPresidents/7833.htm Genealogy of the Presidents of the USA]" (dead link on access attempt July 28, 2015)* AWTP: "The Ancestry of Overmire Tifft Richardson Bradford Reed" Larry Overmire, larryover[at]worldnet.att.net* http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney,_Robert_(c1436-1494)* Whitney and Clifford Manorial Records, Document #11 Deed between Simon Milbourne, Esq. among others, and Robert Whitney, Esq., dated 8 March 1492 and Abstract of the Will of "Robart Whitteney, esquire of Whitteney" dated 6 October 1494, M. A. Faraday and E. J. L. Cole, editors, Calendar of probate and administration acts 1407-1541 and abstracts of wills 1541-1581 in the court books of the Bishop of Hereford (London: British Record Society, 1989); microfiche, New York Public Library.
* Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches between the Years 1586: [https://archive.org/stream/HeraldicVisitationsOfWalesAndPartOfTheMarchesBetweenTheYears1586/HeraldicVisitationsOfWalesAndPartOfTheMarchesBetweenTheYears1586And1613ByLewysDwnnVol.1#page/n216/mode/1up/search/awbre page 189]; [https://archive.org/stream/HeraldicVisitationsOfWalesAndPartOfTheMarchesBetweenTheYears1586/HeraldicVisitationsOfWalesAndPartOfTheMarchesBetweenTheYears1586And1613ByLewysDwnnVol.1#page/n317/mode/1up page 290]
:See also:* [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76341260 wikidata] (suggestion for "born 1436" marked false)
Robert Whitney (born c. 1440,birth year not stated in Richardson; guess based on father's birth given by Richardson as c. 1411 and the statement (also Richardson) that Robert "was attainted as a Yorkist by the Lancastrian Parliament in 1459." perhaps 1436 or 1443given as birth year by several profiles, but no sources) was son and heir of Eustace by Joan Trussell (he was their only child).Source: [[#Richardson]] Robert Whitney, Esq., was Sheriff of Herefordshire, 1474-5.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestry.net Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol I, pp 354-355, BEVAN #13, #14 Robert Whitney, #15. Also Vol V, p 199
He was described as "Robert Whyteney, esq., lord of Whyteney" in a deed documenting the gift of a messuage and 8 acres of arable land lying in Yeuanes Crofte to Howell ap Richard a Badam in 1474 (Whitney Manor Record #6). This record would indicate that he was not a knight, and that his death was at least after 1474.
=== Family ===:'''Father''': Eustace Whitney, Esq. (born about 1411) of Whitney...Knight of the Shire of Herefordshire. Eustace was the son and heir of Robert Whitney, Knt., and Angharad, daughter of Madog ap Ieaun Goch. Eustace married (1) Joan Trussell, (2) Jane Clifford, daughter of Robert Clifford, Knt.
:'''Mother''': Eustace's first wife Joan Trussell, daughter of Sir William Trussell and his wife Margery Ludlow.
:'''Wives'''
: 1. Constance, daughter of James Tuchet, Lord Audley, by his second wife Eleanor, illegitimate daughter of Edmund Holand, K.G., 4th Earl of Kent :: "He married firstly, about 1460, Constance Touchet, daughter of James and Alianore (de Holand) Touchet. She was born about 1443, Heleigh, Staffordshire, and died say 1464."For a more detailed analysis of the order of Whitney's wives and the documentation of three of his children, see Adrian Benjamin Burke's two articles: "The Two Wives of Robert Whitney, Esq., Lord of Whitney: A Note on the Proof of Royal Descent of John Bevan," Foundations (2008) 2 (5):350-357, and "The Two Wives of Robert Whitney, Esq., Lord of Whitney: Additional Notes," Foundations (2008) 2 (6):451-454, plus David L. Kent's, "Letter to the Editor: The Two Wives of Robert Whitney," Foundations (2008) 2 (6):454 and Burke's response "Further Comment on Whitney," Foundations (2009) 3 (9). These articles are available through online subscription with The Foundation for Medieval Genealogy.
: 2. Elizabeth, daughter of Thomas Vaughan of Hergest, Herefordshire by Ellen Gethin, daugher of Dafydd ap Cadwgan ap Phylip Dorddu.::"He married secondly, say 1465, Elizabeth or Alice Vaughn, daughter of Thomas and Ellen (Gethyn) Vaughn. She was born in Hergest and died sometime after 4 May 1525."
:'''Children'''
:by Constance Tuchet
* Joan Whitney * Eleanor Whitney (wife of Thomas Vaughan, Knt., of Bredwardine)
:by Elizabeth Vaughan
:'''sons'''
* James Whitney, Esq.
* John Whitney
* Hugh Whitney
* Robert Whitney
:'''daughters'''
* Eleanor Whitney (wife of John Puleston)
* Sibyl Whitney (wife of Roger ap Richard)
* Elizabeth Whitney (wife of John Pye)
:Robert Whitney was attainted as a Yorkist by the Lancastrian Parliament in 1459.
:He was Sheriff, 1475; marriage to Alice [sic] Vaughan; her ancestry; Epithalamium by Lewis Glyn Cothi; marriage to Constance Touchett; her descent from William the Conqueror.[http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Archive:The_Ancestry_of_John_Whitney,_Chapter_IV,_Part_1 Archive:The Ancestry of John Whitney, Chapter IV, Part 1]
:Robert Whitney '''died''' shortly before October 6, 1494. His widow Elizabeth (Vaughan) was living May 4, 1525.
== Research Notes ==: Birth dates for his children by his two wives as shown in their WikiTree profiles need work (see Robert's "[http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Whitney-471/300 Family Group Sheet]"). ''in profile prior to June 24, 2017, with following information.''
: ''Update June 24, 2017'' - Found where 1436 birth and several quotes are from: [http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney,_Robert_(c1436-1494) this page] from the [http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Main_Page Whitney Research Group]'s website. The page, "[http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney,_Robert_(c1436-1494) Family:Whiney, Robert (c1436-1494)]," is also the source of "about 1460" for marriage to Constance and "say 1465" for second marriage (to "Elizabeth or Alice Vaughn"). Sources are noted there, and discussed.
: Richardson and [http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney,_Robert_(c1436-1494) WRG] show Robert's wives as (1) Constance and (2) daughter of Thomas Vaughan of Hergest, Herefordshire (Richardson names her Elizabeth, while WRG has "Elizabeth or Alice").Douglas Richardson, ''Royal Ancestry,'' Vol 1, p 355, BEVAN #14 Richardson does not give birth or marriage dates for Robert's wives under Bevan, and the following information from Wikipedia, which cites Richardson as source, is in conflict with the information in Richardson's ''Royal Ancestry.'' The Wikipedia article is for Constance's father, "James Tuchet, 5th Lord Audley" (which does agree with Richardson).''Royal Ancestry,'' BEVAN #14 and TUCHET #15 (Vol V, pp 197-199):
:: "Constance Touchet (born c. 1432), who in 1464 married (as his second wife) Sir Robert Whitney (born 1436 - aft. 1467), an active participant in the Wars of the Roses, son of Eustace Whitney and Jennet Trussell[1][2][3] and widower of Alice Vaughn, daughter of Thomas Vaughn.[5]"Wikipedia: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Tuchet,_5th_Baron_Audley James Tuchet, 5th Baron Audley]
#Douglas Richardson. ''Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families,'' Genealogical Publishing Company, Jul 30, 2005.#Douglas Richardson. ''Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families,'' 2nd Edition, Vol. II.#Douglas Richardson. ''Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study In Colonial and Medieval Families,'' Genealogical Publishing Com, Jun 30, 2004.
#[not cited in quoted text]#''Genealogical and Personal Memoirs'' by William Richard Cutter, p. 1398
== Sources ==
:See also:
* LDS FHL AF # 9246-KL* "[http://users.legacyfamilytree.com/USPresidents/7833.htm Genealogy of the Presidents of the USA]" (dead link on access attempt July 28, 2015)* AWTP: "The Ancestry of Overmire Tifft Richardson Bradford Reed" Larry Overmire, larryover[at]worldnet.att.net* http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney,_Robert_(c1436-1494)* Whitney and Clifford Manorial Records, Document #11 Deed between Simon Milbourne, Esq. among others, and Robert Whitney, Esq., dated 8 March 1492 and Abstract of the Will of "Robart Whitteney, esquire of Whitteney" dated 6 October 1494, M. A. Faraday and E. J. L. Cole, editors, Calendar of probate and administration acts 1407-1541 and abstracts of wills 1541-1581 in the court books of the Bishop of Hereford (London: British Record Society, 1989); microfiche, New York Public Library.
* Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches between the Years 1586: [https://archive.org/stream/HeraldicVisitationsOfWalesAndPartOfTheMarchesBetweenTheYears1586/HeraldicVisitationsOfWalesAndPartOfTheMarchesBetweenTheYears1586And1613ByLewysDwnnVol.1#page/n216/mode/1up/search/awbre page 189]; [https://archive.org/stream/HeraldicVisitationsOfWalesAndPartOfTheMarchesBetweenTheYears1586/HeraldicVisitationsOfWalesAndPartOfTheMarchesBetweenTheYears1586And1613ByLewysDwnnVol.1#page/n317/mode/1up page 290]
:See also:* [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76341260 wikidata] (suggestion for "born 1436" marked false)
Events
| Birth | Abt 1440 | Whitney, Herefordshire, England | |||
| Marriage | 1460 | Constance Tuchet | |||
| Marriage | 1465 | Elizabeth Vaughan | |||
| Death | Bef 6 Oct 1494 | Whitney, Herefordshire, England | |||
| Reference No | 1978377 | ||||
| Reference No | 2005981 | ||||
| Reference No | 60 |
Families
| Spouse | Constance Tuchet (1440 - 1470) |
| Child | Joan Whitney (1462 - 1550) |
| Child | Elinor Whitney (1450 - ) |
| Spouse | Elizabeth Vaughan (1452 - ) |
| Child | James Whitney (1466 - 1500) |
| Child | Ellen Whitney (1470 - ) |
| Child | Robert Whitney (1474 - ) |
| Father | Sir Eustace Whitney (1413 - 1481) |
| Mother | Juliane "Jennet, Joan" Trussell (1410 - 1441) |