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Ellen Whitney
(Abt 1470 - )
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'''Note''': [[#Bartrum]], The History of Parliament Online ([[#HOP]]), and The Dictionary of Welsh Biography ([[#DWB]]) call the daughter of Robert Whitney (by his second wife) who married John Puleston Elin, Elen, or Ellen. Robert's daughter by his first wife is Eleanor (sometimes spelled Elinor). She married Thomas Vaughan ([[#Richardson-PA]]). This profile for the wife of John Puleston uses "Ellen".
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== Biography ==
Eleanor Ellen was the daughter of [[Whitney-882|Robert Whitney]].Richardson's ''Plantagenet Ancestry'' shows that the Eleanor Whitney who married Thomas Vaughan was the daughter of Robert & Constance. Ellen, who married John Puleston, was by Robert's second wife, née Vaughan. Richardson shows them both as Eleanor; this WikiTree profile has changed the daughter who married Puleston to "Ellen".
Ellen, daughter of Robert Whitney, Esq., of Whitney, Herefordshire, married John Puleston, of Hafod-y-Wern, Wrexham, and Bersham, Denbighshire, Constable of Caernarvon, Chamberlain of North Wales.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestry.net/ Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol II, pp 345-346 COYTEMORE #17
John and Ellen's son John married "(1) Gaynor, daughter of Robert ap Meredydd ap Hwlcyn Llwyd of Glynllifon, and (2) Sioned, daughter of Meredydd ap Ieuan ap Robert, of Cesail Gyfarch and Gwydir."History of Parliament Online (HOP): [http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1509-1558/member/puleston-john-1492-1551 John Puleston (1492-155)], article by P. S. EdwardsThis son, Sir John Puleston (died 1551), is also shown as the son of "John Puleston ('Hen')... by his first marriage (to Elin, daughter of Robert Whitney)" in the "Puleston family" article in the Dictionary of Welsh Biography ([[#DWB]])
John and Ellen (Whitney) Puleston's daughter Jane Puleston married (1) Robert ap Maredudd, of Glynllifon, Caernarvonshire; (2) Sir William Griffith, of Penrhyn, Caernarvonshire, Esquire of the Body to King Henry VIII, Chamberlain of North Wales, Deputy Justie of North Wales (his second wife, m 1522; Griffith's first wife Jane Stradling died before 1520).
:Ellen's children by John Puleston:[[#Bartrum]]* Sir John Puleston, Constable Caernarfon (d 1551), married (1) Gaenor, (2) Jonet[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5559/PULESTON%20%28A2%29_1455.png?sequence=3&isAllowed=y Puleston (A2)] ([[#Bartrum]])* Jane, married (1) Robert ap Maredudd (as his second wife),[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/4821/Cilmin%206.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Cilmin 6] ([[#Bartrum]]) (2) Sir William Griffith (as his second wife)[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5234/MARCHUDD%206%28B4%29_1268.png?sequence=7&isAllowed=y Marchudd 6(B4)] ([[#Bartrum]])* Elsbeth, married (1) Sir Roger Salesbury,[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6472/SALESBURY%202_1570.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Salesbury 2] ([[#Bartrum]]) (2) John Wyn ap William[http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1509-1558/member/jones-thomas-1492-155859 Marchudd 26(A3)] ([[#Bartrum]])* Catrin, married John Eutun Fychan[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5482/TUDUR%20TREFOR%2025%28A2%29_1702.png?sequence=3&isAllowed=y Tudur 25(A2)] ([[#Bartrum]])* Sibyl, married Fulk ap Robert Salesbury[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6477/SALESBURY%205_1573.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Salesbury 5] ([[#Bartrum]])* "Master Robert Person Gressffordd a Vicar Wrescam", married "Jane f. Richard ap Tos. ap Gr. ab Einion" [Einion 1]; Richard and Jane's daughter Margred married Lewys ab Owain [Llw. ap G. 10(A)]* "Master Huw Vicar Wrescam a Pherson Llan..., Llangedwyn, Llangadwaladr, a'r Cwm y Nhegeingl"
* Lancelot, married Catrin f. Randel Davenport of Calveley
* Richard, married Jane f. M'dd [Ll. ap Br. 3(C)]
Wives of John Puleston "of Havod y Wern and Bers" (from Cae Cyriog M.S.; Lewys Dwnn, vol ii):[http://archive.org/stream/historyofprinces02lloy/historyofprinces02lloy_djvu.txt Full text], ''The history of the princes, the lords marcher, and the ancient nobility of Powys Fadog, and the ancient lords of Arwystli, Cedewen, and Meirionydd'' (London, 1882), p. 138 # Elen, d. of Robert Whitney ab Sir Robert Whitney, Knt. [Richardson makes Robert the grandson of Sir Robert]# Alice, d. of Hugh Lewis of Persaddfed in Tir Mon ab Llywelyn ab Hwlcyn.
Ellen is also shown as John Puleston's first wife by the Dictionary of Welsh Biography ([[#DWB]]) and the History of Parliament Online ([[#HOP]]). Bartrum shows her as his third wife in the chart for "John ap Madog Puleston of Plas y Mers (d 1461) and his first wife "Alswn Fechan f. Hywel. [Tudor 39(A)]" ([http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5559/PULESTON%20%28A1%29_1454.png?sequence=2&isAllowed=y Puleston (A1)], [[#Bartrum]]), parents of Ellen's husband "John Puleston Hen of Bers (living 1485-1519citing [[#DWB]])." According to Bartrum, John Puleston Hen married # Alice f. Tos. Hen Salesburyher family's Bartrum chart, [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6471/SALESBURY%201_1569.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Salesbury 1], shows her as "Alice (Jane)". She died without issue.
## no children# Alice f. Huw Lewisher family's Bartrum chart, [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/4827/HWFA%208%28C1%29_1008.png?sequence=9&isAllowed=y Hwfa 8(C1)] ([[#Bartrum]]) ## John Puleston of Tir Mônsee also the Research Notes on [http://www.ffish.com/family_tree/Pedigrees/3034.htm this pedigree page] for "Alice Lewis, of Persaddfed in Tir Môn"
# Elen d. Robert Whitney
## see list [[#BartrumList|above]]
=== Dates Caution ===::'''Note''': The 1480 marriage date for John Puleston and Ellen Whitney is '''}''' confirmed, although it may be correct.
: The entry for John Puleston in Marlyn Lewis's database ([[#Lewis]]) includes "circa 1480" as their marriage date with a citation to Richardson's ''Royal Ancestry'' (Vol II, p. 345-346), but the reference is for William Griffith (COYTEMORE #17), who married as his second wife John and Ellen's daughter Jane (by marriage settlement dated 2 August 1522). Richardson does not include her parents' marriage date, or her birth date (shown by Lewis as c1485, but without any citation).
:: '''Note''': The birth dates years for John and Ellen given by [[#Lewis]] as circa 1450 and c 1454, respectively, are '''}''' confirmed (Lewis does not include a citation for either date). 1450 is not implausible. John had to have been born before 1462, since his father died in 1461 ([[#Bartrum]]), and John fought at the Battle of Bosworth Field in 1485 ([[#DWB]]).
: Ellen's parents, Robert and Elizabeth, married about 1465, so Ellen's birth in 1454 is not correct. The Whitney Research Group (WRG) has Ellen as born "say 1468" and her brother James as "say 1466".Whitney Research Group (WRG): [http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney,_Robert_%28c1436-1494%29 Robert Whitney (c1436-1494)] Her brother's [[Whitney-470|WikiTree profile]] has birth as 1472.
: A second reference for John Puleston's entry in [[#Lewis|Lewis]]'s database, "[S40] RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project, Ancestors of a 21st Century British Family." (unknown publish date), may be the same source as the reference given for dates posted on a pedigree entry for [http://www.ffish.com/family_tree/Pedigrees/3034.htm Alice Lewis]: "Dates from RootsWeb World Connect (Linda Neely)." The pedigree entry has Alice born about 1450, married John Puleston (born about 1462, died about 1544), as his second wife (after Ellen), died 1480 at age 30. Their children are given as Sir John of Tir Môn and Robert Puleston, Vicar of Gresford.
: Alice is John's wife before Ellen, according to [[#Bartrum]], which shows Robert, vicar of Gressffordd as Elen's son.
: The pedigree entry for Alice's son "Sir John Puleston of Tir Môn" appears to be a combination of the two sons of John Puleston named John. "Sir John" (died 1551) is Elen's son; Alice's son was John of Tir M��n, sheriff of Denbighshire 1543-4.[[#DWB]] and [[#Bartrum]] (citing DWB)Most references show Sir John (Ellen's son) as sheriff for Caernorfan and John of Tir Môn (Alice's son) as sheriff for Denbighshire. ''The mediæval history of Denbighshire: The records of Denbigh and its lordship: bearing upon the general history of the county of Denbigh since the conquest of Wales,'' by John Williams of Wrexham, Wales, [https://archive.org/stream/medivalhistoryd00willgoog#page/n107/mode/1up/search/sheriffs page 84], has a list of Denbigh's High Sheriffs that includes them both:
Reign of Henry VIII
*1541, John Salusbury, Chamberlain of Denbigh, Esq.
*1542, Sir John Salusbury of Lleweny, Knight.
*1543, Sir John Puleston, of Bersham, Knight.
*1544, John Puleston, of Sir Mon, Esq.
*1545, John Owen, of Abergeley, Esq.
*1546, Roger Salusbury, of Bachymbyd (or Rug), Esq.
: The pedigree entry for "Sir John of Tir Môn" shows he was born about 1480 and married Catherine Stanley in 1510 in Denbighshire, Wales (daughter of Piers Stanley, born in Ewlo Castle, Flintshire, Wales). Bartrum also shows that Alice's son John of Tir Môn married a daughter of Pirs Stanley.[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6511/STANLEY%20%282%29%200F%20EWLO_1619.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Stanley (2) of Ewlo], ([[#Bartrum]])
:Research Notes on for John of Tir Môn's [http://www.ffish.com/family_tree/Pedigrees/2850.htm pedigree entry] include the notation "Dates from RootsWeb World Connect (Linda Neely) - b. abt 1480, d. 1551." And the source citation with note (from the source):
:Source: ''History of the Town of Wrexham, Its Houses, Streets, Fields, and Old Families,'' by Alfred Neobard Palmer (Wrexham, 1893), [https://books.google.com/books?id=XyQLAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=History+of+the+Town+of+Wrexham&source=bl&ots=UsZ14zbpkM&sig=Eax6-10UG2ooqvAmEaTiLxcTMQc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBGoVChMImK_zibboyAIVAj4-Ch0wiwKh#v=onepage&q=puleston&f=false pp. 137-138]:
::"It is true that in the Puleston pedigree at Gwysaney, compiled in 1665, John Puleston, the grandson of Madoc Puleston, is described as of Hafod y wern, but I have almost invariably found this John Puleston's son (also called John Puleston), described as of Tir Môn, and his grandson, Piers Puleston, as of Burras."
: And so, apparently, information about Ellen's son, Sir John Puleston (d 1551), and Alice's son, John Puleston of Tir Môn, became the hybrid entry for Sir John Puleston of Tir Môn who married Catherine Stanley and died in 1551.
'''Conclusion''': The dates for Alice's death (1480) and birth of son John of Tir Môn (about 1480), although also unsourcesd, seem to indicate that Alice died in childbirth and would support Lewis's "circa 1480 marriage" to Ellen Whitney (and support [[#Bartrum]] showing her as John's wife after Alice Lewis). The pedigree entry for son [John of Tir Môn shows he married Catherine Stanley, daughter of Piers Stanley, which nearly agrees with Bartrum, which has his wife as Elsbeth, daughter of Pirs Stanley.[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5559/PULESTON%20%28A3%29_1456.png?sequence=4&isAllowed=y Puleston (A3)], [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6511/STANLEY%20%282%29%200F%20EWLO_1619.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Stanley (2) of Ewlo] ([[#Bartrum]]) John and Catherine named one of their daughters Ellen, which could be for Ellen, the mother who raised him.
== Sources ==
* Information and sources on her [[Puleston-39|son's profile page]].* [http://www.our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p5164.htm#i155072 John Puleston, Constable of Caernarvon, Chamberlain of North Wales], "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR; accessed October 29, 2015)
* LDS FHL AF # 9246-MX (familysearch.org)* "Nov. Update For Weaver and Sanders Family Ancestory Tree...", tree David Weaver dww[at]satcover.com* "The Ancestry Of Overmire Tifft Richardson Bradford Reed" Larry Overmire (larryover[at]worldnet.att.net)* ''Ancestors of a 21st century British family,'' Richard Hodgson (mail[at]ancestorsearch.co.uk), cites: ''An Abridged History of the Whitney Family'' (1999) William A Whitney, [http://hometown.aol.co.uk/bigbillwhitney/myhomepage/famtree.html Whitney] (dead link)* ''Genealogy of the Presidents of the USA'' ([http://users.legacyfamilytree.com/USPresidents/7833.htm dead link])
* [[Christensen-519 | Janice Hardin]]
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'''Note''': [[#Bartrum]], The History of Parliament Online ([[#HOP]]), and The Dictionary of Welsh Biography ([[#DWB]]) call the daughter of Robert Whitney (by his second wife) who married John Puleston Elin, Elen, or Ellen. Robert's daughter by his first wife is Eleanor (sometimes spelled Elinor). She married Thomas Vaughan ([[#Richardson-PA]]). This profile for the wife of John Puleston uses "Ellen".
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== Biography ==
Ellen, daughter of Robert Whitney, Esq., of Whitney, Herefordshire, married John Puleston, of Hafod-y-Wern, Wrexham, and Bersham, Denbighshire, Constable of Caernarvon, Chamberlain of North Wales.Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.royalancestry.net/ Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families],'' 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol II, pp 345-346 COYTEMORE #17
John and Ellen's son John married "(1) Gaynor, daughter of Robert ap Meredydd ap Hwlcyn Llwyd of Glynllifon, and (2) Sioned, daughter of Meredydd ap Ieuan ap Robert, of Cesail Gyfarch and Gwydir."History of Parliament Online (HOP): [http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1509-1558/member/puleston-john-1492-1551 John Puleston (1492-155)], article by P. S. EdwardsThis son, Sir John Puleston (died 1551), is also shown as the son of "John Puleston ('Hen')... by his first marriage (to Elin, daughter of Robert Whitney)" in the "Puleston family" article in the Dictionary of Welsh Biography ([[#DWB]])
John and Ellen (Whitney) Puleston's daughter Jane Puleston married (1) Robert ap Maredudd, of Glynllifon, Caernarvonshire; (2) Sir William Griffith, of Penrhyn, Caernarvonshire, Esquire of the Body to King Henry VIII, Chamberlain of North Wales, Deputy Justie of North Wales (his second wife, m 1522; Griffith's first wife Jane Stradling died before 1520).
:Ellen's children by John Puleston:[[#Bartrum]]* Sir John Puleston, Constable Caernarfon (d 1551), married (1) Gaenor, (2) Jonet[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5559/PULESTON%20%28A2%29_1455.png?sequence=3&isAllowed=y Puleston (A2)] ([[#Bartrum]])* Jane, married (1) Robert ap Maredudd (as his second wife),[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/4821/Cilmin%206.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Cilmin 6] ([[#Bartrum]]) (2) Sir William Griffith (as his second wife)[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5234/MARCHUDD%206%28B4%29_1268.png?sequence=7&isAllowed=y Marchudd 6(B4)] ([[#Bartrum]])* Elsbeth, married (1) Sir Roger Salesbury,[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6472/SALESBURY%202_1570.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Salesbury 2] ([[#Bartrum]]) (2) John Wyn ap William[http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1509-1558/member/jones-thomas-1492-155859 Marchudd 26(A3)] ([[#Bartrum]])* Catrin, married John Eutun Fychan[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5482/TUDUR%20TREFOR%2025%28A2%29_1702.png?sequence=3&isAllowed=y Tudur 25(A2)] ([[#Bartrum]])* Sibyl, married Fulk ap Robert Salesbury[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6477/SALESBURY%205_1573.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Salesbury 5] ([[#Bartrum]])* "Master Robert Person Gressffordd a Vicar Wrescam", married "Jane f. Richard ap Tos. ap Gr. ab Einion" [Einion 1]; Richard and Jane's daughter Margred married Lewys ab Owain [Llw. ap G. 10(A)]* "Master Huw Vicar Wrescam a Pherson Llan..., Llangedwyn, Llangadwaladr, a'r Cwm y Nhegeingl"
* Lancelot, married Catrin f. Randel Davenport of Calveley
* Richard, married Jane f. M'dd [Ll. ap Br. 3(C)]
Wives of John Puleston "of Havod y Wern and Bers" (from Cae Cyriog M.S.; Lewys Dwnn, vol ii):[http://archive.org/stream/historyofprinces02lloy/historyofprinces02lloy_djvu.txt Full text], ''The history of the princes, the lords marcher, and the ancient nobility of Powys Fadog, and the ancient lords of Arwystli, Cedewen, and Meirionydd'' (London, 1882), p. 138 # Elen, d. of Robert Whitney ab Sir Robert Whitney, Knt. [Richardson makes Robert the grandson of Sir Robert]# Alice, d. of Hugh Lewis of Persaddfed in Tir Mon ab Llywelyn ab Hwlcyn.
Ellen is also shown as John Puleston's first wife by the Dictionary of Welsh Biography ([[#DWB]]) and the History of Parliament Online ([[#HOP]]). Bartrum shows her as his third wife in the chart for "John ap Madog Puleston of Plas y Mers (d 1461) and his first wife "Alswn Fechan f. Hywel. [Tudor 39(A)]" ([http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5559/PULESTON%20%28A1%29_1454.png?sequence=2&isAllowed=y Puleston (A1)], [[#Bartrum]]), parents of Ellen's husband "John Puleston Hen of Bers (living 1485-1519citing [[#DWB]])." According to Bartrum, John Puleston Hen married # Alice f. Tos. Hen Salesburyher family's Bartrum chart, [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6471/SALESBURY%201_1569.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Salesbury 1], shows her as "Alice (Jane)". She died without issue.
## no children# Alice f. Huw Lewisher family's Bartrum chart, [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/4827/HWFA%208%28C1%29_1008.png?sequence=9&isAllowed=y Hwfa 8(C1)] ([[#Bartrum]]) ## John Puleston of Tir Mônsee also the Research Notes on [http://www.ffish.com/family_tree/Pedigrees/3034.htm this pedigree page] for "Alice Lewis, of Persaddfed in Tir Môn"
# Elen d. Robert Whitney
## see list [[#BartrumList|above]]
=== Dates Caution ===::'''Note''': The 1480 marriage date for John Puleston and Ellen Whitney is '''}''' confirmed, although it may be correct.
: The entry for John Puleston in Marlyn Lewis's database ([[#Lewis]]) includes "circa 1480" as their marriage date with a citation to Richardson's ''Royal Ancestry'' (Vol II, p. 345-346), but the reference is for William Griffith (COYTEMORE #17), who married as his second wife John and Ellen's daughter Jane (by marriage settlement dated 2 August 1522). Richardson does not include her parents' marriage date, or her birth date (shown by Lewis as c1485, but without any citation).
:: '''Note''': The birth dates years for John and Ellen given by [[#Lewis]] as circa 1450 and c 1454, respectively, are '''}''' confirmed (Lewis does not include a citation for either date). 1450 is not implausible. John had to have been born before 1462, since his father died in 1461 ([[#Bartrum]]), and John fought at the Battle of Bosworth Field in 1485 ([[#DWB]]).
: Ellen's parents, Robert and Elizabeth, married about 1465, so Ellen's birth in 1454 is not correct. The Whitney Research Group (WRG) has Ellen as born "say 1468" and her brother James as "say 1466".Whitney Research Group (WRG): [http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney,_Robert_%28c1436-1494%29 Robert Whitney (c1436-1494)] Her brother's [[Whitney-470|WikiTree profile]] has birth as 1472.
: A second reference for John Puleston's entry in [[#Lewis|Lewis]]'s database, "[S40] RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project, Ancestors of a 21st Century British Family." (unknown publish date), may be the same source as the reference given for dates posted on a pedigree entry for [http://www.ffish.com/family_tree/Pedigrees/3034.htm Alice Lewis]: "Dates from RootsWeb World Connect (Linda Neely)." The pedigree entry has Alice born about 1450, married John Puleston (born about 1462, died about 1544), as his second wife (after Ellen), died 1480 at age 30. Their children are given as Sir John of Tir Môn and Robert Puleston, Vicar of Gresford.
: Alice is John's wife before Ellen, according to [[#Bartrum]], which shows Robert, vicar of Gressffordd as Elen's son.
: The pedigree entry for Alice's son "Sir John Puleston of Tir Môn" appears to be a combination of the two sons of John Puleston named John. "Sir John" (died 1551) is Elen's son; Alice's son was John of Tir M��n, sheriff of Denbighshire 1543-4.[[#DWB]] and [[#Bartrum]] (citing DWB)Most references show Sir John (Ellen's son) as sheriff for Caernorfan and John of Tir Môn (Alice's son) as sheriff for Denbighshire. ''The mediæval history of Denbighshire: The records of Denbigh and its lordship: bearing upon the general history of the county of Denbigh since the conquest of Wales,'' by John Williams of Wrexham, Wales, [https://archive.org/stream/medivalhistoryd00willgoog#page/n107/mode/1up/search/sheriffs page 84], has a list of Denbigh's High Sheriffs that includes them both:
Reign of Henry VIII
*1541, John Salusbury, Chamberlain of Denbigh, Esq.
*1542, Sir John Salusbury of Lleweny, Knight.
*1543, Sir John Puleston, of Bersham, Knight.
*1544, John Puleston, of Sir Mon, Esq.
*1545, John Owen, of Abergeley, Esq.
*1546, Roger Salusbury, of Bachymbyd (or Rug), Esq.
: The pedigree entry for "Sir John of Tir Môn" shows he was born about 1480 and married Catherine Stanley in 1510 in Denbighshire, Wales (daughter of Piers Stanley, born in Ewlo Castle, Flintshire, Wales). Bartrum also shows that Alice's son John of Tir Môn married a daughter of Pirs Stanley.[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6511/STANLEY%20%282%29%200F%20EWLO_1619.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Stanley (2) of Ewlo], ([[#Bartrum]])
:Research Notes on for John of Tir Môn's [http://www.ffish.com/family_tree/Pedigrees/2850.htm pedigree entry] include the notation "Dates from RootsWeb World Connect (Linda Neely) - b. abt 1480, d. 1551." And the source citation with note (from the source):
:Source: ''History of the Town of Wrexham, Its Houses, Streets, Fields, and Old Families,'' by Alfred Neobard Palmer (Wrexham, 1893), [https://books.google.com/books?id=XyQLAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=History+of+the+Town+of+Wrexham&source=bl&ots=UsZ14zbpkM&sig=Eax6-10UG2ooqvAmEaTiLxcTMQc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBGoVChMImK_zibboyAIVAj4-Ch0wiwKh#v=onepage&q=puleston&f=false pp. 137-138]:
::"It is true that in the Puleston pedigree at Gwysaney, compiled in 1665, John Puleston, the grandson of Madoc Puleston, is described as of Hafod y wern, but I have almost invariably found this John Puleston's son (also called John Puleston), described as of Tir Môn, and his grandson, Piers Puleston, as of Burras."
: And so, apparently, information about Ellen's son, Sir John Puleston (d 1551), and Alice's son, John Puleston of Tir Môn, became the hybrid entry for Sir John Puleston of Tir Môn who married Catherine Stanley and died in 1551.
'''Conclusion''': The dates for Alice's death (1480) and birth of son John of Tir Môn (about 1480), although also unsourcesd, seem to indicate that Alice died in childbirth and would support Lewis's "circa 1480 marriage" to Ellen Whitney (and support [[#Bartrum]] showing her as John's wife after Alice Lewis). The pedigree entry for son [John of Tir Môn shows he married Catherine Stanley, daughter of Piers Stanley, which nearly agrees with Bartrum, which has his wife as Elsbeth, daughter of Pirs Stanley.[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5559/PULESTON%20%28A3%29_1456.png?sequence=4&isAllowed=y Puleston (A3)], [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6511/STANLEY%20%282%29%200F%20EWLO_1619.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Stanley (2) of Ewlo] ([[#Bartrum]]) John and Catherine named one of their daughters Ellen, which could be for Ellen, the mother who raised him.
== Sources ==
* Information and sources on her [[Puleston-39|son's profile page]].* [http://www.our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p5164.htm#i155072 John Puleston, Constable of Caernarvon, Chamberlain of North Wales], "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR; accessed October 29, 2015)
* LDS FHL AF # 9246-MX (familysearch.org)* "Nov. Update For Weaver and Sanders Family Ancestory Tree...", tree David Weaver dww[at]satcover.com* "The Ancestry Of Overmire Tifft Richardson Bradford Reed" Larry Overmire (larryover[at]worldnet.att.net)* ''Ancestors of a 21st century British family,'' Richard Hodgson (mail[at]ancestorsearch.co.uk), cites: ''An Abridged History of the Whitney Family'' (1999) William A Whitney, [http://hometown.aol.co.uk/bigbillwhitney/myhomepage/famtree.html Whitney] (dead link)* ''Genealogy of the Presidents of the USA'' ([http://users.legacyfamilytree.com/USPresidents/7833.htm dead link])
* [[Christensen-519 | Janice Hardin]]
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Families
| Father | Robert Whitney (1440 - 1494) |
| Mother | Elizabeth Vaughan (1452 - ) |
| Sibling | James Whitney (1466 - 1500) |
| Sibling | Robert Whitney (1474 - ) |