Individual Details
Robert Glen
(Abt 1300 - 1345)
[[Category:Clan Glen]]
'''NOTICE:''' There is very little original source material for the early family of Glen and what there is conflicts. There is a publication [https://archive.org/details/memorialsofscglen00roge Memorials of the Scottish family of Glen] available but which is not detailed and largely inaccurate. There is another published genealogical research paper [https://journals.psu.edu/pmhb/article/viewFile/27085/26841 Genealogical Notes Regarding the Family of Glen, of Glenn] by Thomas Allen Glenn which is more informative and is used, in the main, as the major source work.
This person is the first that appears with some surety, likely as he marries an illegitimate daughter of Robert Bruce (King Robert I.).
== Biography ==
===Relationship with Robert Bruce===There must have been a very strong relationship between [[Glen-243|John de le Glen]] and Robert Bruce. History records, although Thomas Allen Glenn misunderstood, that Margaret Bruce, an illegitimate daughter to Bruce by an unknown mother, married Robert, the eldest son to John. Legend also suggests, and recorded in Glenn's work, that Robert de Glen was one of those who accompanied the heart of Bruce to the Holy Land, and the Linlithgow line used two crests, one a martlet; the other an arm, the hand grasping a heart, in commemoration of that event.There is, apparently, an iron seal in possession of a descendant. The arms of Linlithgow branch are identical with those of Bar. Further, the Glens of Bar (a holding of this line of the family) possessed the sword of Bruce, which a descendant carried to Ireland, in 1606, the inscription on the blade apparently leaving no doubt as to its original ownership.
===Birth===Robert de le Glen was likely born c. 1300, at the family estates at Lochwinnoc in Renfrewshire. There is no definitive source for his birth although he appears to have been married prior to Bruce's death. If the legend holds true regarding accompanying Douglas in his journey to Palestine the marriage likely occurred c. 1325.
There is very little on record of Robert. He does not appear on the People of medieval Scotland dataset, although is at the end of that period, and does not appear in the Record of the Parliament of Scotland, suggesting he was not a Lord. From what we do know:
: He married Margaret, a illegitimate daughter of Robert Bruce by an unknown mother. This marriage likely occurring just prior to when Bruce became incapable or just after he died. Likely c. 1325.[[#S-1]] The Scots Peerage; Sir James Balfour Paul; [https://archive.org/stream/scotspeeragefoun01paul#page/8/mode/2up Volume 1, page 8] She was still alive 29 February 1364. Woods edition of the Scots Peerage suggests she was Margaret, a legitimate daughter and married secondly, the Earl of Sutherland, but this is an error.
: Robert de Glen and "Margaret Bruce the King's sister," his spouse, had a grant from David II., undated, but likely c. 1330 of Nether Pitedye at Kinghorn in Fife. These lands adjoin their estates at Balmuto.
: Robertson, in his work on the Lost Charters, notes three other charters from David to this Robert de Glen, of the lands of Glasgow Forest, thanedom of Kintore, now Aberdeenshire.
: Family tradition, traceable for four centuries, insists that Robert de Glen was one of those who accompanied Douglas during his journey with the heart of Bruce to the Holy Land, and the Glens of the Linlithgow line used two crests, one a martlet; the other an arm, the hand grasping a heart, in commemoration of that event. The sword of Bruce was also supposedly retained within the family. If this is so Glen is not mentioned amongst the members of Douglas' party although that in itself is not definitive.
===Family===Robert de Glen and Margaret Bruce had issue, three sons at least, although the order is not certain: [https://journals.psu.edu/pmhb/article/viewFile/27085/26841 Genealogical Notes Regarding the Family of Glen, of Glenn] by Thomas Allen Glenn
: '''William Glen'''. William appears to have inherited the paternal estates, including lands in the lordship of Glen, and in Kilmun, save Balmuto and adjacent property, suggesting the eldest son. William died before 14 June 1373, at which time Paul de Glen, his son and heir, was of age.
: '''Sir John Glen'''. Seemingly the second son as he gains the maternal lands. He gains, seemingly by enfeoffment, Balmuto and its surrounding lands; those granted as a result of the marriage to Margaret Bruce. He will be the father of a Sir John de Glen, of Balmuto. This Sir John was party to a deed dated after 1373, between Sir John de Glen de Balmuto, and Margaret his wife, and Sir John de Wemyess and Isabel his wife, touching lands of Sir John de Glen in exchange for lands of Sir John de Wemyess, the latter lying north of the Firth of Forth.
: '''Sir Robert Glen'''. Robert de Glen entered the Church. He became Rector of Liberton in Lanarkshire, the living being in gift of John, Lord of Maxwell, as appears by a charter of the latter, and Christian his wife, 12 October, 1357, to the monastery of Kilwynnyn, of patronage or advowson of the said church, with one acre of land, reserving the rights of Sir Robert de Glen, the Rector.
===Arms===It is worth noting that some historians suggest that arms of this family are derived from those of Abernethy; the lion rampant. However the lion rampant are also evidenced in the arms of Glen and at a contemporary date. While Abernethy are or, a lion rampant gules; those of Glen were argent, a lion rampant sable. There is notice of a shield, dated c. 1415, of a Sir John Glen where his shield lies within octagonal ornament.Scottish armorial seals; William Rae Macdonald, [https://archive.org/stream/scottisharmorial00macdiala#page/130/mode/2up page 131] This might suggest the bordure gobony, recognition of the mark of illegitimacy born on Scottish Arms, and arising from this marriage.
===Source===
*http://www.thepeerage.com/p10792.htm#i107912
* [https://archive.org/details/memorialsofscglen00roge Memorials of the Scottish family of Glen]
* [https://journals.psu.edu/pmhb/article/viewFile/27085/26841 Genealogical Notes Regarding the Family of Glen, of Glenn Genealogical Notes Regarding the Family of Glen, of Glenn] by Thomas Allen Glenn
* Source S-1}
===Acknowledgements===
===References===
* WikiTree profile De La Glen-3 created through the import of Main Tree_2011-07-30_2011-08-30.ged on Aug 30, 2011 by [[Hopgood-12 | Sharryn Hopgood]].
'''NOTICE:''' There is very little original source material for the early family of Glen and what there is conflicts. There is a publication [https://archive.org/details/memorialsofscglen00roge Memorials of the Scottish family of Glen] available but which is not detailed and largely inaccurate. There is another published genealogical research paper [https://journals.psu.edu/pmhb/article/viewFile/27085/26841 Genealogical Notes Regarding the Family of Glen, of Glenn] by Thomas Allen Glenn which is more informative and is used, in the main, as the major source work.
This person is the first that appears with some surety, likely as he marries an illegitimate daughter of Robert Bruce (King Robert I.).
== Biography ==
===Relationship with Robert Bruce===There must have been a very strong relationship between [[Glen-243|John de le Glen]] and Robert Bruce. History records, although Thomas Allen Glenn misunderstood, that Margaret Bruce, an illegitimate daughter to Bruce by an unknown mother, married Robert, the eldest son to John. Legend also suggests, and recorded in Glenn's work, that Robert de Glen was one of those who accompanied the heart of Bruce to the Holy Land, and the Linlithgow line used two crests, one a martlet; the other an arm, the hand grasping a heart, in commemoration of that event.There is, apparently, an iron seal in possession of a descendant. The arms of Linlithgow branch are identical with those of Bar. Further, the Glens of Bar (a holding of this line of the family) possessed the sword of Bruce, which a descendant carried to Ireland, in 1606, the inscription on the blade apparently leaving no doubt as to its original ownership.
===Birth===Robert de le Glen was likely born c. 1300, at the family estates at Lochwinnoc in Renfrewshire. There is no definitive source for his birth although he appears to have been married prior to Bruce's death. If the legend holds true regarding accompanying Douglas in his journey to Palestine the marriage likely occurred c. 1325.
There is very little on record of Robert. He does not appear on the People of medieval Scotland dataset, although is at the end of that period, and does not appear in the Record of the Parliament of Scotland, suggesting he was not a Lord. From what we do know:
: He married Margaret, a illegitimate daughter of Robert Bruce by an unknown mother. This marriage likely occurring just prior to when Bruce became incapable or just after he died. Likely c. 1325.[[#S-1]] The Scots Peerage; Sir James Balfour Paul; [https://archive.org/stream/scotspeeragefoun01paul#page/8/mode/2up Volume 1, page 8] She was still alive 29 February 1364. Woods edition of the Scots Peerage suggests she was Margaret, a legitimate daughter and married secondly, the Earl of Sutherland, but this is an error.
: Robert de Glen and "Margaret Bruce the King's sister," his spouse, had a grant from David II., undated, but likely c. 1330 of Nether Pitedye at Kinghorn in Fife. These lands adjoin their estates at Balmuto.
: Robertson, in his work on the Lost Charters, notes three other charters from David to this Robert de Glen, of the lands of Glasgow Forest, thanedom of Kintore, now Aberdeenshire.
: Family tradition, traceable for four centuries, insists that Robert de Glen was one of those who accompanied Douglas during his journey with the heart of Bruce to the Holy Land, and the Glens of the Linlithgow line used two crests, one a martlet; the other an arm, the hand grasping a heart, in commemoration of that event. The sword of Bruce was also supposedly retained within the family. If this is so Glen is not mentioned amongst the members of Douglas' party although that in itself is not definitive.
===Family===Robert de Glen and Margaret Bruce had issue, three sons at least, although the order is not certain: [https://journals.psu.edu/pmhb/article/viewFile/27085/26841 Genealogical Notes Regarding the Family of Glen, of Glenn] by Thomas Allen Glenn
: '''William Glen'''. William appears to have inherited the paternal estates, including lands in the lordship of Glen, and in Kilmun, save Balmuto and adjacent property, suggesting the eldest son. William died before 14 June 1373, at which time Paul de Glen, his son and heir, was of age.
: '''Sir John Glen'''. Seemingly the second son as he gains the maternal lands. He gains, seemingly by enfeoffment, Balmuto and its surrounding lands; those granted as a result of the marriage to Margaret Bruce. He will be the father of a Sir John de Glen, of Balmuto. This Sir John was party to a deed dated after 1373, between Sir John de Glen de Balmuto, and Margaret his wife, and Sir John de Wemyess and Isabel his wife, touching lands of Sir John de Glen in exchange for lands of Sir John de Wemyess, the latter lying north of the Firth of Forth.
: '''Sir Robert Glen'''. Robert de Glen entered the Church. He became Rector of Liberton in Lanarkshire, the living being in gift of John, Lord of Maxwell, as appears by a charter of the latter, and Christian his wife, 12 October, 1357, to the monastery of Kilwynnyn, of patronage or advowson of the said church, with one acre of land, reserving the rights of Sir Robert de Glen, the Rector.
===Arms===It is worth noting that some historians suggest that arms of this family are derived from those of Abernethy; the lion rampant. However the lion rampant are also evidenced in the arms of Glen and at a contemporary date. While Abernethy are or, a lion rampant gules; those of Glen were argent, a lion rampant sable. There is notice of a shield, dated c. 1415, of a Sir John Glen where his shield lies within octagonal ornament.Scottish armorial seals; William Rae Macdonald, [https://archive.org/stream/scottisharmorial00macdiala#page/130/mode/2up page 131] This might suggest the bordure gobony, recognition of the mark of illegitimacy born on Scottish Arms, and arising from this marriage.
===Source===
*http://www.thepeerage.com/p10792.htm#i107912
* [https://archive.org/details/memorialsofscglen00roge Memorials of the Scottish family of Glen]
* [https://journals.psu.edu/pmhb/article/viewFile/27085/26841 Genealogical Notes Regarding the Family of Glen, of Glenn Genealogical Notes Regarding the Family of Glen, of Glenn] by Thomas Allen Glenn
* Source S-1}
===Acknowledgements===
===References===
* WikiTree profile De La Glen-3 created through the import of Main Tree_2011-07-30_2011-08-30.ged on Aug 30, 2011 by [[Hopgood-12 | Sharryn Hopgood]].
Events
| Birth | Abt 1300 | Lochwinnoc, Renfrewshire, Scotland | |||
| Marriage | 1325 | Margaret Bruce | |||
| Death | 1345 | Balmuto, Kinghorn, Fifeshire, Scotland | |||
| Marriage | Margaret Bruce | ||||
| Reference No | 6584036 | ||||
| Reference No | |||||
| Reference No | 60 | ||||
| Reference No | 6802418 |
Families
| Spouse | Margaret Bruce (1300 - 1370) |
| Child | John Glen (1345 - 1419) |
| Child | John Rollo (1335 - 1390) |
| Spouse | Margaret Bruce (1307 - 1347) |
| Child | John Rollo (1335 - 1390) |
| Father | John Glen (1275 - ) |
| Mother | Unknown Abernethy (1285 - 1320) |