Individual Details
Sir John Ferrers
(Ca 1440 - 1484)
Palmer, Charles Ferrers Raymund (1819-1900), The History of the Town and Castle of Tamworth, p. 364 (in footnote)
Thomas Ferrers, b. 1422, created a knt. in 1461. He m. Ann, dau. of Leonard Hastings, of Kirby, and sister of Will, lord Hastings; who d. before him. His decease occurred Aug. 22nd, 1498. His sons were, Leonard; Ralph, dean of the Church; and John, the eldest, who d. v. p. He m. Matilda, dau. of sir John Stanley, of Ellford; and had a son,
Sir John Ferrers, knt., who succeeded his grandfather. He m. Dorothy, dau. of Will. Harper, esq., of Rushall-castle, co. of Stafford. He had several children, of whom,i. Humphry succeeded,ii. Ann was m. to John Peto, esq., of Chesterton, co. of Warwick.
Sir Humphry Ferrers, knight, m. 1st, Margaret, dau. of Tho. Pigot; and 2nd, Dorothy, dau. and coh. of Tho. Marrow, and relict of Francis Cockain. He d. in 1554 ; leaving, by his 1st wife,—besides a dau. Jane, m. at Tamworth, June 22nd, 1573, to Arthur Gregory, esq.,—a son and heir,
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Collections for a History of Staffordshire (1917), p. 261-262
According to the Paston Letters and to Shaw's Knights, " Sir John Ferrers " was knighted on Tewkesbury field, 4 May 1471.^ His son, Sir John F., was aged 34 [should be 24; see Brad Verity below] at his grandfather's death in 1498, and cannot therefore have been the knight of 1471. Hence either the " Paston Letters " or the 1477 Return, which calls him armiger, must be wrong; I think the Return wrong and the " Letters " right. He is also described as " Sir" in the Commissions of the Peace. [Note that Sheriff John Ferris of Criclade's Parliamentary listing for 1478 is under the name of “Johannes Ferys, armiger.”]
Born c. 1440 ; eldest son and heir of Sir Thomas F. of the same (a Yorkist in December 1460, ^ d. 1498), by Anne, sister of William, Lord Hastings, the Lord Chamberlain 1461-83, who was murdered by Richard lll.^ He married Maud, daughter of Sir John Stanley of Elford, M.P.i He was J. P. for Staffs 1477-83. In 1481 he was appointed guardian to Walter, son and heir of Sir Walter Gryffith of Wichnor. His father appears to have been removed from the Bench by Richard III after Hastings' murder; and in December, after Buckingham's rising, vSir John also was removed, but in 1484 he had a grant of 40 m. a year for life from the same King.^ Soon after this he must have died v. p., leaving a son and heir, afterwards Sir John F., M.P.^ His tomb is, or was, in Lichfield Cathedral with this inscription " Joh. Ferrers miles fil Th . . . Ferrers et Annae ux . . . . filiae Hastinges miles et Matilda filia . . . Stanley ejus ux. ..."
p. 282
Born 1463/4 ; eldest son of Sir John F., M.P. 2 {d. 1484), by Maud (Stanley), and grandson and heir of Sir Thomas F. of the same {d. 1498), at whose death he was aged 34 years. ^ He married before 1488, Maud . . . ;^ and, according to Shaw,^ (2) Dorothy, daughter of William Harpur of Rushall, who was the mother of his son and heir, Humphrey {b. 1497).
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Brad Verity
2/6/06
WJho...@aol.com wrote:
> I have this John, son of Maud Stanley and John Ferrers. John, then being
> son not to Thomas who d 1498 but rather to Thomas who d 1459 his father.
No, John I is still son of Thomas II:
Thomas I Ferrers of Tamworth (d. 1459), had a son and heir,
Thomas II Ferrers of Tamworth (d. 1498) m. 1448, and had a son,
John I Ferrers (b. c.1449/50, dvp 1484/5) m. Maud Stanley of Elford,
and had a son, John II Ferrers of Tamworth (b. c.1474), succeeded his grandfather in 1498
> Do you have anything which suggests that Thomas who d 1498 was father > of John who married Maud Stanley ?
Yes, the biographies of John Ferrers I & John Ferrers II in Wedgwood's
HOP quote from the 1498 will of Thomas Ferrers II, which makes the
relationships clear.
Cheers, --------Brad
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Brad Verity
2/22/06
Brad Verity wrote:
> The date of 1463 for the birth of Sir John Ferrers II of Tamworth comes
> from Wedgwood's HOP, which derived it because John II was age 34 at the
> death of his grandfather Thomas Ferrers II in 1498. But I think the
> 1474 birthdate for John II that you mention above is correct. Perhaps
> Wedgwood misread age '24' in 1498 for age '34' in 1498.
It turns out Wedgwood did misread "24" as "34". Per the Warwickshire
IPM of Sir Thomas Ferrers II of Tamworth, taken 12 October 1498, "John Ferrers, knight, aged 24 and more, is his cousin and next heir, viz.
son of John Ferrers, knight, his son."
So John Ferrers II of Tamworth was born about 1473/4, which fits in
much better chronologically with his sisters and their husbands.
Cheers, ----------Brad
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NOTE:
It is unclear whether this 1485 death date really relates to this John Ferrers (1440-1485). 1485 was the year of the Battle of Bosworth which was fought near the Ferrers' castle at Tamworth. In fact, Henry VII went to Tamworth after landing from France. But some histories mention the death of "Lord Ferrers" which may refer to William Devereux, the then "Baron Ferrers of Chartley" by marriage to Anne Ferrers who had inherited Chartley from her father. Have these "Ferrers" been confused in the genealogies or the histories?
Lord Ferrers/Ferris is mentioned in scene 6 at the very end of Shakespeare's "The Life and Death of Richard the Third." http://shakespeare.mit.edu/richardiii/full.html (Alternately titled "The Tragedy of King Richard the Third" in the 1634 edition on Google Books.) The following quote is from that scene.
SCENE V. Another part of the field.
Alarum. Enter KING RICHARD III and RICHMOND; they fight. KING RICHARD III is slain. Retreat and flourish. Re-enter RICHMOND, DERBY bearing the crown, with divers other Lords
RICHMOND
God and your arms be praised, victorious friends,
The day is ours, the bloody dog is dead.
DERBY
Courageous Richmond, well hast thou acquit thee.
Lo, here, this long-usurped royalty
From the dead temples of this bloody wretch
Have I pluck'd off, to grace thy brows withal:
Wear it, enjoy it, and make much of it.
RICHMOND
Great God of heaven, say Amen to all!
But, tell me, is young George Stanley living?
DERBY
He is, my lord, and safe in Leicester town;
Whither, if it please you, we may now withdraw us.
RICHMOND
What men of name are slain on either side?
DERBY
John Duke of Norfolk, Walter Lord Ferrers,
Sir Robert Brakenbury, and Sir William Brandon.
"Walter Lord Ferrers" actually appears as "Walter Lord Ferris" in the first 1597 edition. "Walter" likely actually refers to William Devereux, the then "Baron Ferrers of Chartley" by marriage to Anne Ferrers who had inherited Chartley from her father.
NotesFrom Wikipedia
Walter Devereux, 7th Baron Ferrers of Chartley
Walter Devereux supported Richard III of England during his reign, and fought on his side at the Battle of Bosworth (22 August 1485). There, Lord Ferrers commanded in the vanguard under John Howard, Duke of Norfolk, alongside Sir Robert Brackenbury and Thomas Howard, Earl of Surrey. Devereux was slain during the initial fight with the opposing van under John de Vere, 13th Earl of Oxford, fighting next to the young John, Lord Zouche. An in-law, Sir John Ferrers, was also killed at Bosworth.
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From FindAGrave
Birth: 1452
Rutland, England
Death: 1485
Family links:
Parents:
Thomas Ferrers (1438 - 1498)
Anne Hastings Ferrers (1438 - 1479)
Children:
John Ferrers (1471 - 1512)*
*Calculated relationship
Burial: St Editha Church
Tamworth, Tamworth Borough
Staffordshire, England
Created by: Bill Velde
Record added: Jun 20, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 71638526
Thomas Ferrers, b. 1422, created a knt. in 1461. He m. Ann, dau. of Leonard Hastings, of Kirby, and sister of Will, lord Hastings; who d. before him. His decease occurred Aug. 22nd, 1498. His sons were, Leonard; Ralph, dean of the Church; and John, the eldest, who d. v. p. He m. Matilda, dau. of sir John Stanley, of Ellford; and had a son,
Sir John Ferrers, knt., who succeeded his grandfather. He m. Dorothy, dau. of Will. Harper, esq., of Rushall-castle, co. of Stafford. He had several children, of whom,i. Humphry succeeded,ii. Ann was m. to John Peto, esq., of Chesterton, co. of Warwick.
Sir Humphry Ferrers, knight, m. 1st, Margaret, dau. of Tho. Pigot; and 2nd, Dorothy, dau. and coh. of Tho. Marrow, and relict of Francis Cockain. He d. in 1554 ; leaving, by his 1st wife,—besides a dau. Jane, m. at Tamworth, June 22nd, 1573, to Arthur Gregory, esq.,—a son and heir,
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Collections for a History of Staffordshire (1917), p. 261-262
According to the Paston Letters and to Shaw's Knights, " Sir John Ferrers " was knighted on Tewkesbury field, 4 May 1471.^ His son, Sir John F., was aged 34 [should be 24; see Brad Verity below] at his grandfather's death in 1498, and cannot therefore have been the knight of 1471. Hence either the " Paston Letters " or the 1477 Return, which calls him armiger, must be wrong; I think the Return wrong and the " Letters " right. He is also described as " Sir" in the Commissions of the Peace. [Note that Sheriff John Ferris of Criclade's Parliamentary listing for 1478 is under the name of “Johannes Ferys, armiger.”]
Born c. 1440 ; eldest son and heir of Sir Thomas F. of the same (a Yorkist in December 1460, ^ d. 1498), by Anne, sister of William, Lord Hastings, the Lord Chamberlain 1461-83, who was murdered by Richard lll.^ He married Maud, daughter of Sir John Stanley of Elford, M.P.i He was J. P. for Staffs 1477-83. In 1481 he was appointed guardian to Walter, son and heir of Sir Walter Gryffith of Wichnor. His father appears to have been removed from the Bench by Richard III after Hastings' murder; and in December, after Buckingham's rising, vSir John also was removed, but in 1484 he had a grant of 40 m. a year for life from the same King.^ Soon after this he must have died v. p., leaving a son and heir, afterwards Sir John F., M.P.^ His tomb is, or was, in Lichfield Cathedral with this inscription " Joh. Ferrers miles fil Th . . . Ferrers et Annae ux . . . . filiae Hastinges miles et Matilda filia . . . Stanley ejus ux. ..."
p. 282
Born 1463/4 ; eldest son of Sir John F., M.P. 2 {d. 1484), by Maud (Stanley), and grandson and heir of Sir Thomas F. of the same {d. 1498), at whose death he was aged 34 years. ^ He married before 1488, Maud . . . ;^ and, according to Shaw,^ (2) Dorothy, daughter of William Harpur of Rushall, who was the mother of his son and heir, Humphrey {b. 1497).
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Brad Verity
2/6/06
WJho...@aol.com wrote:
> I have this John, son of Maud Stanley and John Ferrers. John, then being
> son not to Thomas who d 1498 but rather to Thomas who d 1459 his father.
No, John I is still son of Thomas II:
Thomas I Ferrers of Tamworth (d. 1459), had a son and heir,
Thomas II Ferrers of Tamworth (d. 1498) m. 1448, and had a son,
John I Ferrers (b. c.1449/50, dvp 1484/5) m. Maud Stanley of Elford,
and had a son, John II Ferrers of Tamworth (b. c.1474), succeeded his grandfather in 1498
> Do you have anything which suggests that Thomas who d 1498 was father > of John who married Maud Stanley ?
Yes, the biographies of John Ferrers I & John Ferrers II in Wedgwood's
HOP quote from the 1498 will of Thomas Ferrers II, which makes the
relationships clear.
Cheers, --------Brad
____________
Brad Verity
2/22/06
Brad Verity wrote:
> The date of 1463 for the birth of Sir John Ferrers II of Tamworth comes
> from Wedgwood's HOP, which derived it because John II was age 34 at the
> death of his grandfather Thomas Ferrers II in 1498. But I think the
> 1474 birthdate for John II that you mention above is correct. Perhaps
> Wedgwood misread age '24' in 1498 for age '34' in 1498.
It turns out Wedgwood did misread "24" as "34". Per the Warwickshire
IPM of Sir Thomas Ferrers II of Tamworth, taken 12 October 1498, "John Ferrers, knight, aged 24 and more, is his cousin and next heir, viz.
son of John Ferrers, knight, his son."
So John Ferrers II of Tamworth was born about 1473/4, which fits in
much better chronologically with his sisters and their husbands.
Cheers, ----------Brad
****************
NOTE:
It is unclear whether this 1485 death date really relates to this John Ferrers (1440-1485). 1485 was the year of the Battle of Bosworth which was fought near the Ferrers' castle at Tamworth. In fact, Henry VII went to Tamworth after landing from France. But some histories mention the death of "Lord Ferrers" which may refer to William Devereux, the then "Baron Ferrers of Chartley" by marriage to Anne Ferrers who had inherited Chartley from her father. Have these "Ferrers" been confused in the genealogies or the histories?
Lord Ferrers/Ferris is mentioned in scene 6 at the very end of Shakespeare's "The Life and Death of Richard the Third." http://shakespeare.mit.edu/richardiii/full.html (Alternately titled "The Tragedy of King Richard the Third" in the 1634 edition on Google Books.) The following quote is from that scene.
SCENE V. Another part of the field.
Alarum. Enter KING RICHARD III and RICHMOND; they fight. KING RICHARD III is slain. Retreat and flourish. Re-enter RICHMOND, DERBY bearing the crown, with divers other Lords
RICHMOND
God and your arms be praised, victorious friends,
The day is ours, the bloody dog is dead.
DERBY
Courageous Richmond, well hast thou acquit thee.
Lo, here, this long-usurped royalty
From the dead temples of this bloody wretch
Have I pluck'd off, to grace thy brows withal:
Wear it, enjoy it, and make much of it.
RICHMOND
Great God of heaven, say Amen to all!
But, tell me, is young George Stanley living?
DERBY
He is, my lord, and safe in Leicester town;
Whither, if it please you, we may now withdraw us.
RICHMOND
What men of name are slain on either side?
DERBY
John Duke of Norfolk, Walter Lord Ferrers,
Sir Robert Brakenbury, and Sir William Brandon.
"Walter Lord Ferrers" actually appears as "Walter Lord Ferris" in the first 1597 edition. "Walter" likely actually refers to William Devereux, the then "Baron Ferrers of Chartley" by marriage to Anne Ferrers who had inherited Chartley from her father.
NotesFrom Wikipedia
Walter Devereux, 7th Baron Ferrers of Chartley
Walter Devereux supported Richard III of England during his reign, and fought on his side at the Battle of Bosworth (22 August 1485). There, Lord Ferrers commanded in the vanguard under John Howard, Duke of Norfolk, alongside Sir Robert Brackenbury and Thomas Howard, Earl of Surrey. Devereux was slain during the initial fight with the opposing van under John de Vere, 13th Earl of Oxford, fighting next to the young John, Lord Zouche. An in-law, Sir John Ferrers, was also killed at Bosworth.
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From FindAGrave
Birth: 1452
Rutland, England
Death: 1485
Family links:
Parents:
Thomas Ferrers (1438 - 1498)
Anne Hastings Ferrers (1438 - 1479)
Children:
John Ferrers (1471 - 1512)*
*Calculated relationship
Burial: St Editha Church
Tamworth, Tamworth Borough
Staffordshire, England
Created by: Bill Velde
Record added: Jun 20, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 71638526
Events
| Birth | Ca 1440 | Rutland, England |  | ||
| Birth | 1452 | ||||
| Title (Nobility) | 4 May 1471 | Knighted - Tewkesbury field, Gloucestershire, England |  | ||
| Occupation | 1477 - 83 | Justice of the Peace - Staffordshire, England | |||
| Death | 1484 | | |||
| Burial | 1485 | Tamworth, Staffordshire, England | |||
| Alt name | John Ferris | ||||
| Burial | Tamworth, Staffordshire, England | ||||
| Occupation | 1477, 1483, 1484 | Member of Parliament for Staffordshire |
Families
| Spouse | Matilda "Maud" Stanley ( - ) |
| Child | Sir John Ferrers (1474 - 1512) |
| Child | Richard Ferrers ( - ) |
| Child | Maude Ferrers ( - ) |
| Child | Alice Ferrers ( - ) |
| Child | Isabell Ferrers ( - ) |
| Child | Elizabeth Ferrers ( - ) |
| Father | Sir Thomas Ferrers (1422 - 1498) |
| Mother | Anne Hastings (1438 - 1479) |
| Sibling | Leonard Ferrers ( - ) |
| Sibling | Roger Ferrers (1452 - ) |
| Sibling | Ralph Ferrers ( - ) |
| Sibling | William Ferrers ( - ) |
| Sibling | Margaret Ferrers ( - ) |
| Sibling | Anne Ferrers ( - ) |
Notes
Title (Nobility)
Wikipedia re Battle of TewkesburyThe Battle of Tewkesbury, which took place on 4 May 1471, was one of the decisive battles of the Wars of the Roses. The forces loyal to the House of Lancaster were completely defeated by those of the rival House of York under their monarch, King Edward IV. The Lancastrian heir to the throne, Edward, Prince of Wales, and many prominent Lancastrian nobles were killed during the battle or were dragged from sanctuary two days later and immediately executed. The Lancastrian king, Henry VI, who was a prisoner in the Tower of London, died or was murdered shortly after the battle. Tewkesbury restored political stability to England until the death of Edward IV in 1483.
Endnotes
1. Collections for a History of Staffordshire (1917) https://archive.org/stream/collectionsforhi191719183staf#page/n329/mode/2up.
2. Collections for a History of Staffordshire (1917) https://archive.org/stream/collectionsforhi191719183staf#page/n329/mode/2up.