Individual Details
Sir John Ferrers
(1474 - 16 Jul 1512)
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Brad Verity
2/6/06
WJho...@aol.com wrote:
> I have this John, son of Maud Stanley and John Ferrers. John, then being
> son not to Thomas who d 1498 but rather to Thomas who d 1459 his father.
No, John I is still son of Thomas II:
Thomas I Ferrers of Tamworth (d. 1459), had a son and heir,
Thomas II Ferrers of Tamworth (d. 1498) m. 1448, and had a son,
John I Ferrers (b. c.1449/50, dvp 1484/5) m. Maud Stanley of Elford,
and had a son,
John II Ferrers of Tamworth (b. c.1474), succeeded his grandfather in
1498
> Do you have anything which suggests that Thomas who d 1498 was father of John
> who married Maud Stanley ?
Yes, the biographies of John Ferrers I & John Ferrers II in Wedgwood's
HOP quote from the 1498 will of Thomas Ferrers II, which makes the
relationships clear.
Cheers, --------Brad
____________
Brad Verity
2/22/06
Brad Verity wrote:
> The date of 1463 for the birth of Sir John Ferrers II of Tamworth comes
> from Wedgwood's HOP, which derived it because John II was age 34 at the
> death of his grandfather Thomas Ferrers II in 1498. But I think the
> 1474 birthdate for John II that you mention above is correct. Perhaps
> Wedgwood misread age '24' in 1498 for age '34' in 1498.
It turns out Wedgwood did misread "24" as "34". Per the Warwickshire
IPM of Sir Thomas Ferrers II of Tamworth, taken 12 October 1498, "John Ferrers, knight, aged 24 and more, is his cousin and next heir, viz.
son of John Ferrers, knight, his son."
So John Ferrers II of Tamworth was born about 1473/4, which fits in
much better chronologically with his sisters and their husbands.
Cheers, ----------Brad
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Collections for a History of Staffordshire (1917), p. 282
(Sir) John Ferrers of Tamworth, M.P. Stafford 1495-6. and possibly 1510 or 1512-3.
Born 1463/4 ; eldest son of Sir John F., M.P. 2 {d. 1484), by Maud (Stanley), and grandson and heir of Sir Thomas F. of the same {d. 1498), at whose death he was aged 34 years. ^ He married before 1488, Maud . . . ;^ and, according to Shaw,^ (2) Dorothy, daughter of William Harpur of Rushall, who was the mother of his son and heir, Humphrey {b. 1497). He was knighted at the Battle of Blackheath, 17 June 1497 ;* was sheriff 1499-1500 ; J. P. Staffordshire and Warwickshire 1508-13. He died 16 July 1513 (? 1512).' His Will, dated 6 October 1508, was proved in P.C.C. 13 May 1513.^ His tomb is in Lichfield Cathedral and is said to have borne this inscription : " Joh. Ferrers miles et Mat. filia . . . et Dna Dorathia uxor prefati Jo . . . Harpur." l.p.m. at Derby, 31 Jan. 1513/4-
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The Will of Sir John Ferrers, dated 6 October 1508. He desires to be buried in the Church of Tamworth before the image of St. Eadithe, and makes bequests to the churches of Tamworth, Walton Derby, and Barton-under-Needwood ; also for the repair of " Bow bridge," Lady Bridge, and Hoppas Bridge. His manors of Heyth, Oxon, and Blunt, Essex, to be sold by Exors. to raise the money for debts and bequests. Daughters Mary to have 300 m., Anne 200 m., Joan 200 m., for their preferment in marriage. His son Edward is to have Warton, Warw., and Buttisbury, Essex, for life. His son Thomas to have for life lands at Priours in Wodeham Ferrers, Essex, which late were held by " my uncle William Ferrers " for life. His son William was to have, after the death of Sir John's mother, Dame Mawde, Champeons, Essex. Dame Mawde also held for life Hgerse, Essex.
Exors. :—His wife (whom he nowhere names, unfortunately), and his brother Sir Walter Griffith. These witness :—Richard Breton, John Jakes, William Wyrley, Thomas Gierke, " Sir " Hugh Lytuldale priest, " Sir " Richard Hawle priest.
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Palmer, Charles Ferrers Raymund (1819-1900), The History of the Town and Castle of Tamworth, p. 364 (in footnote)
Sir John Ferrers, knt., who succeeded his grandfather. He m. Dorothy, dau. of Will. Harper, esq., of Rushall-castle, co. of Stafford. He had several children, of whom,
i. Humphry succeeded,
ii. Ann was m. to John Peto, esq., of Chesterton, co. of Warwick.
Sir Humphry Ferrers, knight, m. 1st, Margaret, dau. of Tho. Pigot; and 2nd, Dorothy, dau. and coh. of Tho. Marrow, and relict of Francis Cockain. He d. in 1554 ; leaving, by his 1st wife,—besides a dau. Jane, m. at Tamworth, June 22nd, 1573, to Arthur Gregory, esq.,—ason and heir,
John Ferrers, esq., who m. Barbara Cockain. She d. in 1560, and was bur. at Tamworth Aug. 12th. It seems he re-m ; for in the register of Tamworth is the entry that "7 April, 1572, was bur. Mrs. Jane Ferrers, ux' Joh'is." By his 1st wife, he had,i. Dorothy, m. to Edw. Holt, esq.ii. Humphry, his successor.ill. Edward.iv. Henry, bur. Sept. 14th, 1602.v. Thomas.vi. George, bur. July 29th, 1615.
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Listed Sites
Church of St Editha
https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1207856
Location
Statutory Address: CHURCH OF ST EDITHA, CHURCH STREET
The building or site itself may lie within the boundary of more than one authority.
County: Staffordshire
District: Tamworth (District Authority)
National Grid Reference: SK 20784 04090
INTERIOR: ...
MEMORIALS: chancel has three tombs to recesses: ... to west, Sir John Ferrers, d.1512, and wife, chest with Tudor flower and shields, Tudor flower to cornice and 2 effigies, the male now without legs; ...
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From FindAGrave
Birth: 1471
Staffordshire, England
Death: Jul. 16, 1512
Staffordshire, England
Sheriff of Shropshire.
Family links:
Parents:
John Ferrers (1452 - 1485)
Spouse: Dorothy Harpur Ferrers (____ - 1532)*
Children: Humphrey Ferrers (1493 - 1553)*
*Calculated relationship
Burial: St Editha Church, Tamworth, Tamworth Borough, Staffordshire, England
Created by: Bill Velde
Record added: Jun 20, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 71638468
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Brad Verity
2/6/06
WJho...@aol.com wrote:
> I have this John, son of Maud Stanley and John Ferrers. John, then being
> son not to Thomas who d 1498 but rather to Thomas who d 1459 his father.
No, John I is still son of Thomas II:
Thomas I Ferrers of Tamworth (d. 1459), had a son and heir,
Thomas II Ferrers of Tamworth (d. 1498) m. 1448, and had a son,
John I Ferrers (b. c.1449/50, dvp 1484/5) m. Maud Stanley of Elford,
and had a son,
John II Ferrers of Tamworth (b. c.1474), succeeded his grandfather in
1498
> Do you have anything which suggests that Thomas who d 1498 was father of John
> who married Maud Stanley ?
Yes, the biographies of John Ferrers I & John Ferrers II in Wedgwood's
HOP quote from the 1498 will of Thomas Ferrers II, which makes the
relationships clear.
Cheers, --------Brad
____________
Brad Verity
2/22/06
Brad Verity wrote:
> The date of 1463 for the birth of Sir John Ferrers II of Tamworth comes
> from Wedgwood's HOP, which derived it because John II was age 34 at the
> death of his grandfather Thomas Ferrers II in 1498. But I think the
> 1474 birthdate for John II that you mention above is correct. Perhaps
> Wedgwood misread age '24' in 1498 for age '34' in 1498.
It turns out Wedgwood did misread "24" as "34". Per the Warwickshire
IPM of Sir Thomas Ferrers II of Tamworth, taken 12 October 1498, "John Ferrers, knight, aged 24 and more, is his cousin and next heir, viz.
son of John Ferrers, knight, his son."
So John Ferrers II of Tamworth was born about 1473/4, which fits in
much better chronologically with his sisters and their husbands.
Cheers, ----------Brad
***********
Collections for a History of Staffordshire (1917), p. 282
(Sir) John Ferrers of Tamworth, M.P. Stafford 1495-6. and possibly 1510 or 1512-3.
Born 1463/4 ; eldest son of Sir John F., M.P. 2 {d. 1484), by Maud (Stanley), and grandson and heir of Sir Thomas F. of the same {d. 1498), at whose death he was aged 34 years. ^ He married before 1488, Maud . . . ;^ and, according to Shaw,^ (2) Dorothy, daughter of William Harpur of Rushall, who was the mother of his son and heir, Humphrey {b. 1497). He was knighted at the Battle of Blackheath, 17 June 1497 ;* was sheriff 1499-1500 ; J. P. Staffordshire and Warwickshire 1508-13. He died 16 July 1513 (? 1512).' His Will, dated 6 October 1508, was proved in P.C.C. 13 May 1513.^ His tomb is in Lichfield Cathedral and is said to have borne this inscription : " Joh. Ferrers miles et Mat. filia . . . et Dna Dorathia uxor prefati Jo . . . Harpur." l.p.m. at Derby, 31 Jan. 1513/4-
fn 8
The Will of Sir John Ferrers, dated 6 October 1508. He desires to be buried in the Church of Tamworth before the image of St. Eadithe, and makes bequests to the churches of Tamworth, Walton Derby, and Barton-under-Needwood ; also for the repair of " Bow bridge," Lady Bridge, and Hoppas Bridge. His manors of Heyth, Oxon, and Blunt, Essex, to be sold by Exors. to raise the money for debts and bequests. Daughters Mary to have 300 m., Anne 200 m., Joan 200 m., for their preferment in marriage. His son Edward is to have Warton, Warw., and Buttisbury, Essex, for life. His son Thomas to have for life lands at Priours in Wodeham Ferrers, Essex, which late were held by " my uncle William Ferrers " for life. His son William was to have, after the death of Sir John's mother, Dame Mawde, Champeons, Essex. Dame Mawde also held for life Hgerse, Essex.
Exors. :—His wife (whom he nowhere names, unfortunately), and his brother Sir Walter Griffith. These witness :—Richard Breton, John Jakes, William Wyrley, Thomas Gierke, " Sir " Hugh Lytuldale priest, " Sir " Richard Hawle priest.
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Palmer, Charles Ferrers Raymund (1819-1900), The History of the Town and Castle of Tamworth, p. 364 (in footnote)
Sir John Ferrers, knt., who succeeded his grandfather. He m. Dorothy, dau. of Will. Harper, esq., of Rushall-castle, co. of Stafford. He had several children, of whom,
i. Humphry succeeded,
ii. Ann was m. to John Peto, esq., of Chesterton, co. of Warwick.
Sir Humphry Ferrers, knight, m. 1st, Margaret, dau. of Tho. Pigot; and 2nd, Dorothy, dau. and coh. of Tho. Marrow, and relict of Francis Cockain. He d. in 1554 ; leaving, by his 1st wife,—besides a dau. Jane, m. at Tamworth, June 22nd, 1573, to Arthur Gregory, esq.,—ason and heir,
John Ferrers, esq., who m. Barbara Cockain. She d. in 1560, and was bur. at Tamworth Aug. 12th. It seems he re-m ; for in the register of Tamworth is the entry that "7 April, 1572, was bur. Mrs. Jane Ferrers, ux' Joh'is." By his 1st wife, he had,i. Dorothy, m. to Edw. Holt, esq.ii. Humphry, his successor.ill. Edward.iv. Henry, bur. Sept. 14th, 1602.v. Thomas.vi. George, bur. July 29th, 1615.
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HistoricEngland.org
Listed Sites
Church of St Editha
https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1207856
Location
Statutory Address: CHURCH OF ST EDITHA, CHURCH STREET
The building or site itself may lie within the boundary of more than one authority.
County: Staffordshire
District: Tamworth (District Authority)
National Grid Reference: SK 20784 04090
INTERIOR: ...
MEMORIALS: chancel has three tombs to recesses: ... to west, Sir John Ferrers, d.1512, and wife, chest with Tudor flower and shields, Tudor flower to cornice and 2 effigies, the male now without legs; ...
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From FindAGrave
Birth: 1471
Staffordshire, England
Death: Jul. 16, 1512
Staffordshire, England
Sheriff of Shropshire.
Family links:
Parents:
John Ferrers (1452 - 1485)
Spouse: Dorothy Harpur Ferrers (____ - 1532)*
Children: Humphrey Ferrers (1493 - 1553)*
*Calculated relationship
Burial: St Editha Church, Tamworth, Tamworth Borough, Staffordshire, England
Created by: Bill Velde
Record added: Jun 20, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 71638468
Events
| Birth | 1474 | Staffordshire, England | |||
| Title (Nobility) | 17 Jun 1497 | Knighted - Battle of Blackheath, |  | ||
| Burial | 1512 | St Editha Church, Tamworth, Staffordshire, England | |||
| Death | 16 Jul 1512 | Staffordshire, England | |||
| Alt name | John Ferris | ||||
| Occupation | Sheriff of Shropshire |
Families
| Spouse | Dorothy Harpur ( - 1532) |
| Child | Sir Humphrey Ferrers (1493 - 1553) |
| Child | Mary Ferrers ( - ) |
| Child | Ann Ferrers ( - ) |
| Child | Joan Ferrers ( - ) |
| Child | Edward Ferrers ( - ) |
| Child | Thomas Ferrers ( - ) |
| Child | William Ferrers ( - ) |
| Father | Sir John Ferrers (1440 - 1484) |
| Mother | Matilda "Maud" Stanley ( - ) |
| Sibling | Richard Ferrers ( - ) |
| Sibling | Maude Ferrers ( - ) |
| Sibling | Alice Ferrers ( - ) |
| Sibling | Isabell Ferrers ( - ) |
| Sibling | Elizabeth Ferrers ( - ) |
Endnotes
1. Collections for a History of Staffordshire (1917) https://archive.org/stream/collectionsforhi191719183staf#page/n329/mode/2up.