Individual Details
Elizabeth Herbert
(1487 - 1516)
== Biography ==
'''Elizabeth Herbert'''
:'''Parents''': Sir Walter Herbert and his mistress Elizabeth ferch Maurice Lany, who had three children (Walter and his wife, Anne ferch Humphrey Stafford, died childless).[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5005/GODWIN%208%28A1%29_780.png?sequence=12&isAllowed=y Godwin 8(A1)] ([[#Bartrum]])
:Walter Herbert was the son of Sir William Herbert, Earl of Pembroke (died 1469) and his wife Anne, daughter of Walter Devereaux.
:Elizabeth was the daughter of Maurice Lany of Magor and his wife Mawd ferch Philip ap Thomas.[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5006/Godwin%207.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Godwin 7] ([[#Bartrum]])
:'''Husband''': William ap John[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5007/GODWIN%203%28F2%29_764.png?sequence=3&isAllowed=y Godwin 3(F2)] ([[#Bartrum]])
:'''Children'''* Blanche, married Roland ap Tos. Morgan [ [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5130/CYDIFOR%20FAWR%2014(A2)_392.png?sequence=3&isAllowed=y Cyd. Fawr 14(A2)] ]
History of Parliament Online: [http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1558-1603/member/jones-philip-1603 Philip Jones (d 1603)]''Historic Homes and Institutions and Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worcester County, Massachusetts: With a History of Worcester Society of Antiquity,'' Volume 1, edited by Ellery Bicknell Crane, [https://books.google.com/books?id=QKorAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA103&lpg=PA103&dq=%22John+Thomas+of+Llanarth%22&source=bl&ots=K73d7IBbp4&sig=52Svdjc6qIgYBXTUNUbDq9XN57s&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjGhuyIuPPJAhVFNSYKHRBoAowQ6AEIIjAB#v=onepage&q=%22John%20Thomas%20of%20Llanarth%22&f=false p 103] (Lewis Publishing Company, 1907)
== Notes on Attached Profiles ==: many profiles for husbands attached as of November 22, 2016 - two each John Thomas & William Jones. * William Jones b 1483 ([Jones-6012]) married 1511 in Wonastow, Monmouthshire, Wales* William Jones b 1482 ([Jones-6028]) married 1502 (died 1511 in Wonastow, Monmouthshire, Wales)* John Thomas b 1474 ([Thomas-2778]) married 1511 in Wonastow, Monmouthshire, Wales (died 1586)* John Thomas b 1486 (Thomas-2777]) married 1510 in Wales & father of [[Thomas-2012|Lewis Thomas]], b 1480 [sic]
: At one point, many more children were attached to the profile of Elizabeth Herbert, with birth dates from before she was born to after she died (1486-1516). History of Parliament Online names Ann Hawley mother of Philip Jones and John his half-brother. Bartrum shows William had 16 children, but only Blanche is identified as by Elizabeth, his first wife. Bartrum also shows William with three sons named John - two by wives (one by Ann and one by Constance Morgan) and one by a mistress. Bartrum agrees with History of Parliament that Philip's mother is Ann, but names her 3rd wife (History of Parliament names her 2nd wife, but may not be including Elizabeth Herbert).
: The following list includes info from profiles that were once (and may be still) attached as children of Elizabeth. * Charles Jones (no dates/places) ''son of Constance Morgan''* Walter Jones (no dates/places) ''son of Constance Morgan''* Blanch Thomas, Born 1477 in Glamorgan, Wales (no death info) - ''either totally unrelated or a duplicate profile for daughter Blanche Jones born 1512'' * Richard Jones, Born 1494 in Denbigh, Cheshire, England; Died 1559 in Somme, Picardie, France (location was once the default fill-in for "Y" in Ancestry database) ''son by his mistress, Jonet ferch William Wogan''* Philip Jones, Born 1503 in Of, Wales, Died 1603 [place of death?] ''son of Ann Hawley''* John Jones, Born 1505 in Glamorganshire, Wales; Died December 6, 1565 in Mildenhall, Wiltshire, England ''[[#3Johns]]''* William Jones, Born after 1505 [place of birth?] (no death info) ''son of Constance Morgan''* Elizabeth Jones, Born 1507 in Treowen, Wales (no death info) ''two daughters named Elsbeth, one by a mistress and one by Ann Hawley''* Blanch Jones, Born 1512 in Tre Owen, Wonastow, Monmouthshire, Wales; Died 1549 in Monmouthshire, Wales ''daughter of Elizabeth Herbert : another reference says that Blanch who married Rowland Morgan was the daughter of "John Thomas, of Llanarth."''* John Jones, Born 1529 in Treowen, Mitchell Troy, Wales; Died 1609 [place of death?] ''[[#3Johns]]''* Philip Jones, Born 1531 in Treowen, Glamorganshire, Wales; Died 1603 [place of death?] (duplicate profile with more reasonable birth year than 1503) ''son of Ann Hawley''* Elizabeth Jones, Born 1533 in Wales (no death info) ''two daughters named Elsbeth, one by a mistress and one by Ann Hawley''
Not attached but listed by [[#Bartrum]]:
*Harry Jones ''mother not indicated''
*Catrin Jones ''daugther of Constance Morgan''
*Ann Jones ''daughter of Constance Morgan''
*Thomas Jones ''son of Constance Morgan''
*Third John ''by a mistress ([[#3Johns]])''*Alswn Jones ''by his mistress, Jonet ferch William Wogan''
== Sources ==
== Acknowledgements ==* The WikiTree profile Herbert-476 was [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:NetworkFeed&who=Herbert-476 created] through the import of Ancestors of PBHowe.ged on Jun 6, 2011 by [[Howe-1046 | Buck Howe]], with Ancestry tree source.
'''note''': removed "Y, Somme, Picardie, France" as death location (it is apparently the first suggestion in Ancestry if you type Y for the place of death - see this [http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.weurope.france.picardie/369.1.1.2.1.2.1.1.4/mb.ashx Rootsweb post] & [http://ysommepicardiefrance.blogspot.com/ this blog post] (seems to be same text, but adds pictures).
'''Elizabeth Herbert'''
:'''Parents''': Sir Walter Herbert and his mistress Elizabeth ferch Maurice Lany, who had three children (Walter and his wife, Anne ferch Humphrey Stafford, died childless).[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5005/GODWIN%208%28A1%29_780.png?sequence=12&isAllowed=y Godwin 8(A1)] ([[#Bartrum]])
:Walter Herbert was the son of Sir William Herbert, Earl of Pembroke (died 1469) and his wife Anne, daughter of Walter Devereaux.
:Elizabeth was the daughter of Maurice Lany of Magor and his wife Mawd ferch Philip ap Thomas.[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5006/Godwin%207.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Godwin 7] ([[#Bartrum]])
:'''Husband''': William ap John[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5007/GODWIN%203%28F2%29_764.png?sequence=3&isAllowed=y Godwin 3(F2)] ([[#Bartrum]])
:'''Children'''* Blanche, married Roland ap Tos. Morgan [ [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5130/CYDIFOR%20FAWR%2014(A2)_392.png?sequence=3&isAllowed=y Cyd. Fawr 14(A2)] ]
History of Parliament Online: [http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1558-1603/member/jones-philip-1603 Philip Jones (d 1603)]''Historic Homes and Institutions and Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worcester County, Massachusetts: With a History of Worcester Society of Antiquity,'' Volume 1, edited by Ellery Bicknell Crane, [https://books.google.com/books?id=QKorAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA103&lpg=PA103&dq=%22John+Thomas+of+Llanarth%22&source=bl&ots=K73d7IBbp4&sig=52Svdjc6qIgYBXTUNUbDq9XN57s&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjGhuyIuPPJAhVFNSYKHRBoAowQ6AEIIjAB#v=onepage&q=%22John%20Thomas%20of%20Llanarth%22&f=false p 103] (Lewis Publishing Company, 1907)
== Notes on Attached Profiles ==: many profiles for husbands attached as of November 22, 2016 - two each John Thomas & William Jones. * William Jones b 1483 ([Jones-6012]) married 1511 in Wonastow, Monmouthshire, Wales* William Jones b 1482 ([Jones-6028]) married 1502 (died 1511 in Wonastow, Monmouthshire, Wales)* John Thomas b 1474 ([Thomas-2778]) married 1511 in Wonastow, Monmouthshire, Wales (died 1586)* John Thomas b 1486 (Thomas-2777]) married 1510 in Wales & father of [[Thomas-2012|Lewis Thomas]], b 1480 [sic]
: At one point, many more children were attached to the profile of Elizabeth Herbert, with birth dates from before she was born to after she died (1486-1516). History of Parliament Online names Ann Hawley mother of Philip Jones and John his half-brother. Bartrum shows William had 16 children, but only Blanche is identified as by Elizabeth, his first wife. Bartrum also shows William with three sons named John - two by wives (one by Ann and one by Constance Morgan) and one by a mistress. Bartrum agrees with History of Parliament that Philip's mother is Ann, but names her 3rd wife (History of Parliament names her 2nd wife, but may not be including Elizabeth Herbert).
: The following list includes info from profiles that were once (and may be still) attached as children of Elizabeth. * Charles Jones (no dates/places) ''son of Constance Morgan''* Walter Jones (no dates/places) ''son of Constance Morgan''* Blanch Thomas, Born 1477 in Glamorgan, Wales (no death info) - ''either totally unrelated or a duplicate profile for daughter Blanche Jones born 1512'' * Richard Jones, Born 1494 in Denbigh, Cheshire, England; Died 1559 in Somme, Picardie, France (location was once the default fill-in for "Y" in Ancestry database) ''son by his mistress, Jonet ferch William Wogan''* Philip Jones, Born 1503 in Of, Wales, Died 1603 [place of death?] ''son of Ann Hawley''* John Jones, Born 1505 in Glamorganshire, Wales; Died December 6, 1565 in Mildenhall, Wiltshire, England ''[[#3Johns]]''* William Jones, Born after 1505 [place of birth?] (no death info) ''son of Constance Morgan''* Elizabeth Jones, Born 1507 in Treowen, Wales (no death info) ''two daughters named Elsbeth, one by a mistress and one by Ann Hawley''* Blanch Jones, Born 1512 in Tre Owen, Wonastow, Monmouthshire, Wales; Died 1549 in Monmouthshire, Wales ''daughter of Elizabeth Herbert : another reference says that Blanch who married Rowland Morgan was the daughter of "John Thomas, of Llanarth."''* John Jones, Born 1529 in Treowen, Mitchell Troy, Wales; Died 1609 [place of death?] ''[[#3Johns]]''* Philip Jones, Born 1531 in Treowen, Glamorganshire, Wales; Died 1603 [place of death?] (duplicate profile with more reasonable birth year than 1503) ''son of Ann Hawley''* Elizabeth Jones, Born 1533 in Wales (no death info) ''two daughters named Elsbeth, one by a mistress and one by Ann Hawley''
Not attached but listed by [[#Bartrum]]:
*Harry Jones ''mother not indicated''
*Catrin Jones ''daugther of Constance Morgan''
*Ann Jones ''daughter of Constance Morgan''
*Thomas Jones ''son of Constance Morgan''
*Third John ''by a mistress ([[#3Johns]])''*Alswn Jones ''by his mistress, Jonet ferch William Wogan''
== Sources ==
== Acknowledgements ==* The WikiTree profile Herbert-476 was [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:NetworkFeed&who=Herbert-476 created] through the import of Ancestors of PBHowe.ged on Jun 6, 2011 by [[Howe-1046 | Buck Howe]], with Ancestry tree source.
'''note''': removed "Y, Somme, Picardie, France" as death location (it is apparently the first suggestion in Ancestry if you type Y for the place of death - see this [http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.weurope.france.picardie/369.1.1.2.1.2.1.1.4/mb.ashx Rootsweb post] & [http://ysommepicardiefrance.blogspot.com/ this blog post] (seems to be same text, but adds pictures).
Events
| Birth | 1487 | Caldicot, Gwen Is Coed, Monmouthshire, England | |||
| Marriage | 1511 | Wonastow, Monmouthshire, Wales - William ap John | |||
| Death | 1516 | ||||
| Reference No | 1972852 | ||||
| Reference No | 2000430 | ||||
| Reference No | 60 |
Families
| Spouse | William ap John (1482 - 1586) |
| Child | Blanch Jones (1512 - 1549) |
| Father | Walter Herbert (1440 - 1507) |
| Mother | Elizabeth Lany (1470 - ) |