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Sir Roger "2nd Earl of Winchester" Quincy
(Abt 1195 - 25 Apr 1264)
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Roger is the son of [[Quincy-226| Saher de Quincy]], a Magna Carta surety baron [[Category:Quincy-226 Descendants]][[Category: Knights bachelor]]
== Biography ==
: Wives: Helen of Galloway, Maud de Bohun and Eleanor Ferrers. Children: Helen, Elisabeth and Margaret (all with Helen of Galloway).
: "He probably joined his father on the Fifth Crusade in 1219, where the elder de Quincy fell sick and died. His elder brother having died a few years earlier, Roger thus inherited his father's titles and properties. However, he did not take possession of his father's lands until February 1221, probably because he did not return to England from the crusade until then. He did not formally become earl until after the death of his mother in 1235."''Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester'' Wkipedia
: Roger married Helen, eldest daughter and co-heiress of Alan, Lord of Galloway. Without legitimate sons to succeed him, Alan's lands and dignities were divided between the husbands of his three daughters, so Roger acquired Alan's position as Constable of Scotland, and one-third of the lordship of Galloway (although the actual title of Lord of Galloway went through Helen's half-sister Devorguilla to her husband John I de Balliol).
: In the following years Roger was one of the leaders of the baronial opposition to Henry III of England, although he fought for Henry against the Welsh in the 1250s and 1260s.
: "In the parliament of Oxford of 1258 he was one of the twelve elected by the ‘community’ to attend the three annual parliaments and exercise the rights of parliament. He was further elected one of the twenty-four commissioners to treat of aid to the king (Annals of Burton, i. 449–50), ''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'' page 447 and was one of the witnesses to the king's confirmation of the acts of the council (ib. p. 456). When Richard of Cornwall was returning from Germany early in 1259, Earl Roger, in company with Walter, bishop of Worcester, and others, on behalf of the barons met him at St. Omer, and forbade him to cross over to England until he had sworn to observe the provisions of Oxford. After eleven days of dispute they obtained a satisfactory guarantee (Wykes, iv. 121–2)." ''Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester'' Wikisource paragraph 10-11
: Thus Roger, 2nd Earl of Winchester, followed in the footsteps of his father, Saer de Quincy, who was one of the twenty-five Barons who were elected surety for Magna Carta in 1215.
: Roger's wife Ellen (or Helen) of Galloway died after 21 November 1245, and was buried at Brackely, Northamptonshire, England.''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'' page 446
: "Following Helen's death in 1245, Roger married Maud de Bohun, daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, 2nd Earl of Hereford, around 1250. Maud died only two years later, and Roger married his third wife, Eleanor Ferrers, daughter of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby the same year. After his death his estates were divided between the daughters, and the earldom of Winchester lapsed." ''Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester'' Wikipedia
=== Notes ===
: Note NI3914!SOURCES:
# Plantagenet Ancestry p. 100-02
# Complete Peerage vol 12 pt 2 p. 753, 934, vol 2 p. 199
# The Battle Abbey Roll vol 1, p. 26, vol 3, p. 47-49, 87
# Doomsday Book p. 7
# Notes and Queries 5s vol 2 p. 129, 171
# The Roll of Battle Abbey p. 93-94
# Dugdale's Baronage of England Vol 1 p. 686-88
# Peerage of the British Isles 1883, p. 447
Sources:
*Royal Ancestry 2013 D. Richardson Vol. IV p. 446-449
A8B36 Bukleley Gen p 12; Royal Anc of Magna Charta Baron p 121,208; Gen of Greens Bouhs Domanet & Peerage;Eng Pub A.L.vol; Eng 116; R710 p 374; Bed 6 Vol 5 236; Bessie Rogers No 44 in Archives
:Magna Charta Surity !Genealogical Society of Utah; Gareth Rice:Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists Who Came to New England Sixth Edition by Frederick Lewis Weis Genealogical Publishing Co. Baltimore 1988: !The Oxford Illistrated History of the British Monarchy by Cannon and Griffith.
: !The Magna Charta Sureties by F. L. Weis.: 2nd Earl of Winchester and constable of Scotland, accompanied his father on the 5th crusade in 1219;
: of Buckley, Northamptonshire, England. Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester and High Constable of Scotland.
[http://www.robertsewell.ca/dequincy.html#ref Robert Sewell]
The arms of Roger de Quincy are described as "Gules, seven mascules conjoined, three, three, and one, or." (A.C. Fox-Davies: A Complete Guide to Heraldry, London, 1909) These are the same arms claimed by the Quincys of Massachusetts.: Professor Salisbury (Family Memorials, 1885, page 308) reports that Roger de Quincy assumed the device of the seven mascules, and goes on to explain that "it appears that the descendants of the younger sons of Saher de Quincy were very numerous, and, as the lands and property were divided, they went into different employments, and became part of the yeomanry of England, but yet carefully retained the arms, and the tradition of their Norman descent." This may explain the use of this device by the Quincys of Massachusetts to this day.
According to Richard Thomson, An Historical Essay on the Magna Charta of King John (London, 1829) page 251, these arms were borne by Ferrers of Groby; who were descendants of William de Ferrers, a younger son of Margaret de Quincy and William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby (see below).
Roger married Helen of Galloway (died after November 21, 1245). Helen was a daughter of Alan of Galloway, Lord of Galloway, High Constable of Scotland and Advisor to King John (died in 1234) and a daughter or sister of Roger de Lacy, of Pontefract, Constable of Chester. Note: Alan of Galloway had a second marriage to and additional children by Margaret de Huntingdon, a great granddaughter of David (I) "The Saint", King of Scotland. See MC 139 & 140.
Roger and Helen had the following daughters, among whom his lands were divided:
Margaret de Quincy who married circa 1238 to William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby, as his second wife, her step-mother's father. MC 88-3, CP XII/2 pg. 753::NOTE: Roger de Quincy's third wife, Eleanor de Ferrers, was the daughter of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby, by his first wife Sybil Marshal the daughter of William Marshal. Roger married Eleanor Ferrers about fourteen years after Roger's daughter Margaret Quincy by his first wife, Helen Galloway married William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby.''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'' Vol. II, page 412-415 and Vol. II, page 150-151
Elizabeth de Quincy, second daughter (see Generation Five)
Elena de Quincy (Ellen, Helen) who married to Alan, Baron Zouche of Ashby de la Zouche in Leicestershire. MC 74-3 Their son:
Roger la Zouche married Ela Longespée.
Roger de Quincy married secondly in 1250 to Maud, widow of Anselm Marshal, 9th Earl of Pembroke, daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, 2nd Earl of Hereford and 1st Earl of Essex. She d.s.p. on October 20, 1252. CP XII/2 pg. 753
Roger de Quincy married thirdly to Eleanor, widow of William de Vaux and daughter of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby. CP XII/2 pg. 753
notes on Roger de Quincy
BURIAL: Brackley, Northamptonshire, England
2nd Earl of Winchester, Constable of Scotland.
Roger de Quincy (his elder brother, Robert, being still in the Holy Land), had livery of his father's estates and he subsequently s. to the Earldom of Winchester. This nobleman marrying Helen, eldest dau. and co-heir of Alan, Lord of Galloway, became, in her right, constable of Scotland. By this lady he had issue, Margaret, Elizabeth, and Ela, m. to Alan, Lord Zouch, of Ashby.
His lordship m. 2ndly, Maud, dau. of Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Hereford (widow of Anselme Mareschall, Earl of Pembroke).
Roger married 3rdly, Alianore, dau. of William de Ferrers, Earl of Derby, and widow of William de Vaux (this lady survived the earl and m. after his decease, Roger de Leybourne). Dugdale says that the earl had another dau., but by which wife he could not discover, namely, Isabell, with whom a contract of marriage was made, by John, son of Hugh de Nevil, for his son, Hugh.
His lordship d. in 1264, when the Earldom of Winchester became extinct, and his great landed possessions devolved upon his daughters, as co-heiresses.
Roger took part in the Baronial Wars with his father and accompanied him on Crusade in 1219. He served in Henry III's army in Poitou. His too strict rule of Galloway incited a revolt in 1247. His castle was besieged and deciding to make a dash for it rather than starve to death, he mounted his horse and bolted through the gates with a few followers. They cut their way through the enemy lines and rode all the way to the Scottish court, where King Alexander came to his aid, punished the rebels and restored the Earl's authority.
from de Quincy Family Genealogy
Children:
1. Helen de Quincy was born about 1222 in Winchester, Hampshire, England and died before 20 Aug 1296 in England. Helen married Sir Alan II La Zouche before 1242 in Winchester, Hampshire, England. Sir Alan was born about 1203 in Ashby-De-La-Zouche, Leicestershire, England. He was the son of Roger La Zouche. He died on 10 Aug 1270 in England.
2. Elizabeth de Quincy was born in 1214 and died after Apr 1282. Elizabeth married Alexander Comyn. Alexander was born about 1217, lived in Buchan, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. He is the son of William Comyn and Margaret Buchan.
[www.renderplus.com/hartgen/htm/de-quincy.htm Our Folk], compiler Albert Douglass Hart, Jr.
Descendency Chart
de Quincy Family See Descendency Chart for direct line to the Hart Family Ancestry.com users - See de Quincy Family Tree for individual charts.
1. Lord Saire de Quincy - was born about 1090 and died about 1156. Lord Saire married Lady Maud de Saint Liz. Lady Maud was born about 1094. She was the daughter of Earl Simon de Saint Liz and Countess Matilda of Northumberland. She died in 1140 .
Lady Maud - Lady Bradham.
Lord Saire - Lord of Bradenham. Children: (Quick Family Chart)i. Lord Robert de Quincy was born in 1125, lived in Winchester, Hampshire, England and died in 1192 . See #2. below.
Quincy Family Arms
----- Second Generation -----2.Lord Robert de Quincy - was born in 1125, lived in Winchester, Hampshire, England and died in 1192 . He was the son of Lord Saire de Quincy and Lady Maud de Saint Liz. Lord Robert married Orabilis de Mar. She was the daughter of Ralph (Nes) de Mar. She died before 30 Jun 1203 .
Lord Robert - Lord of Buckley. Children: (Quick Family Chart)i. Saire de Quincy was born in 1155, lived in Winchester, Hampshire, England and died on 3 Nov 1219 in Damietta . He was the son of Lord Robert de Quincy and Orabilis de Mar.
Saire married Margaret de Beaumont about 1173. Margaret was born about 1155, lived in Hampshire, England. She was the daughter of Sir Robert de Beaumont and Petronilla de Grandmesnil. She died on 12 Jan 1235 .
Saire - 1st Earl of Winchester.
Was a Baron present at Lincoln when William the Lion of Scotland did homage to the English monarch in October 1200. He obtained large grants and immunities from King John and was created Earl of Winchester, 2 March 1207, having been governor in 1203 of the Castle of Ruil in Normandy. He is created with rewriting Magna Charta from the Charter of King Henry I and the Saxon Code. Because he had opposed the Kings concession to the Popes legate, he was bitterly hated by King John. One of the Barons to whom the City and Tower of London were resigned, Saire de Quincey was excommunicated with the other Barons the following year.
He was sent, with Robert Fitzwalter, the Surety, by the other Barons, to invite the Dauphin of France to assume the Crown of England and, even after the death of King John, he kept a strong garrison in Montsorell Castle in behalf of Prince Louis. When the Barons, being greatly outnumbered, were defeated by the troops of King Henry III, Saire de Quincey, with many others, was made prisoner and his estates forfeited. In the following October his immense estates were restored upon his submission. In 1218 the Earl of Winchester went with the Earls of Chester and Arundel to the Holy Land, assisted at the siege of Damietta in 1219, and died 3 November in the same year, on the way to Jerusalem.
Saire de Quincey is associated with two stalwart Castles in the South of England: Colchester Castle and Winchester Castle, both with the Latin castrum root, signifying that they were once the site of Roman forts Children: (Quick Family Chart)i. Robert de Quincy was born about 1172 in Buckley, Northampton, England and died in 1217 in London, England . See #4. below. ii. Roger de Quincy was born about 1174 in Winchester, Hampshire, England and died on 25 Apr 1264 in Holy Land,Asia Minor . See #5. below. iii. Countess Hawise de Quincy was born about 1178, lived in Winchester,Hampshire,England and died on 11 Feb 1222 in England .
Colchester Castle
Fourth Generation -----4.Robert de Quincy - was born about 1172 in Buckley, Northampton, England and died in 1217 in London, England . He was the son of Saire de Quincy and Margaret de Beaumont.: Robert married Countess Hawise of Chester. Countess Hawise was born in 1180 in Chester, Cheshire, England. She was the daughter of Earl of Chester Hugh of Kevelioc de Meschines and Bertrade de Montfort. She died about 1242 .
Countess Hawise - Countess of Lincoln. Children: (Quick Family Chart)i. Margaret de Quincy was born in 1208 in Lincoln, Lincoln, England and died before 30 Mar 1266 in Clerkwell, Middlesex, England. Margaret married John de Lacy. John was born in 1192 in Lincoln, Lincoln, England. He was the son of Baron Roger de Lacy and Maud (Mathilde) de Clare. He died on 22 Jul 1240 and was buried in Cistercian Abbey of Stanlaw, Cheshire, Eng. .
Margaret - married 2nd, Walter Marhsall, 5th Earl of Pembroke.
: See de Lacy family for children.
5.Roger de Quincy - was born about 1174 in Winchester,Hampshire,England and died on 25 Apr 1264 in Holy Land, Asia Minor . He was the son of Saire de Quincy and Margaret de Beaumont. Roger married Helen of Galloway about 1214. Helen was born about 1208, lived in Carrick,Ayrshire,Scotland. She was the daughter of Alan of Galloway and Hilda de Lisle. She died after 1245 in England .
Roger - was the 2nd Earl of Winchester and the Constable of Scotland. He went with his father on the Fifth Crusade in 1219. Children: (Quick Family Chart)i. Helen de Quincy was born about 1222 in Winchester, Hampshire, England and died before 20 Aug 1296 in England. Helen married Sir Alan II La Zouche before 1242 in Winchester, Hampshire, England. Sir Alan was born about 1203 in Ashby-De-La-Zouch, Leicestershire, England. He was the son of Roger La Zouche. He died on 10 Aug 1270 in England. See La Zouche family for children.
ii. Elizabeth de Quincy was born in 1214 and died after Apr 1282. Elizabeth married Alexander Comyn. Alexander was born about 1217, lived in Buchan,Aberdeenshire,Scotland. He is the son of William Comyn and Margaret Buchan. See Comyn family for children.
6.Countess Hawise de Quincy - was born about 1178, lived in Winchester,Hampshire,England and died on 11 Feb 1222 in England . She was the daughter of Saire de Quincy and Margaret de Beaumont. Countess Hawise married Walter de Hungerford. Walter was born about 1186. He is the son of Everard de Hungerford. Then Countess Hawise married Earl Hugh de Vere on 11 Feb 1221/1222. Earl Hugh was born about 1184 in Hatfield, Essex, England. He was the son of Robert de Vere and Isabel de Bolebec. He died on 23 Dec 1263 in England and was buried in Earls Colne .
Earl Hugh - - Earl of Oxford.
"His birthplace is anyone's guess. Since his uncle earl Aubrey (IV) was still alive, they may have been living on one of Isabel's properties when he was born." (Sources: - 1)
Countess Hawise - - Countess of Oxf. Children with Walter de HungerfordSee de Hungerford family for children.Children with Earl Hugh de VereSee de Vere family for children.
Roger of Quincy
Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester (1195? - April 25, 1265) was a medieval nobleman who was prominent on both sides of the Anglo-Scottish border, as Earl of Winchester and Constable of Scotland. He was the second son of Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester, and Margaret de Beaumont.
He probably joined his father on the Fifth Crusade in 1219, where the elder de Quincy fell sick and died. His elder brother having died a few years earlier, Roger thus inherited his father's titles and properties. However, he did not take possession of his father's lands until February 1221, probably because he did not return to England from the crusade until then. He did not formally become earl until after the death of his mother in 1235.
Roger married Helen, eldest daughter and co-heiress of Alan, Lord of Galloway. Without legitimate sons to succeed him, Alan's lands and dignities were divided between the husbands of his three daughters, so Roger acquired Alan's position as Constable of Scotland, and one-third of the lordship of Galloway (although the actual title of Lord of Galloway went through Helen's half-sister Devorguilla to her husband John I de Balliol).
The Galwegians rebelled under Gille Ruadh, not wanting their land divided, but the rebellion was suppressed by Alexander II of Scotland. Roger ruled his portion of Galloway strictly, and the Galwegians revolted again in 1247, forcing Roger to take refuge in a castle. Faced with a siege and little chance of relief, Roger and a few men fought their way out and rode off to seek help from Alexander, who raised forces to again suppress the rebellion.
In the following years Roger was one of the leaders of the baronial opposition to Henry III of England, although he fought for Henry against the Welsh in the 1250s and 1260s.
Following Helen's death in 1245, Roger married Maud de Bohun, daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, 2nd Earl of Hereford, around 1250. Maud died only two years later, and Roger married his third wife, Eleanor Ferrers, daughter of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby the same year.
Roger had three daughters by his first wife, but no sons. His subsequent marriages produced no issue. After his death his estates were divided between the daughters, and the earldom of Winchester lapsed. The three daughters of Roger and Helen of Galloway were:
Helen (also known as Ela or Elena), who married Alan Baron Zouche of Ashby;
Elizabeth (also known as Isabella), who married Alexander Comyn, 2nd Earl of Buchan;
Margaret, who married William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby (and was thus stepmother to her own stepmother).
References: Hunt, William (1896). "Saer de Quincy, first Earl of Winchester". Dictionary of National Biography. 48. (Roger de Quincy is treated a subtopic of his father's article): Grant G. Simpson, An Anglo-Scottish Baron of the Thirteenth century: the Acts of Roger de Quincy Earl of Winchester and Constable of Scotland (Unpublished PhD Thesis, Edinburgh 1963).
: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
=== Title ===
: Title: 2nd Earl of Winchester; Constable of Scotland
=== Name ===: Name: Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester, Source: [[#S5]] [http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=6835128&pid=-970518475 Ancestry Family Trees], Note: [[#N1876]], Note N1876 ''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'' page 447
: Biography of Roger de Quincy, [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Quincy,_Saer_de_%28DNB00%29 Wikisource], Quincy, Saer de, paragraph 10-11.
=== Birth ===
: Date: ABT 1174: Place: Winchester, Hampshire, EnglandSource: [[#S4]] Source: [[#S004330]] Data: Text: Birth date: 1174 Birth place: Buckley, Northampton, England Death date: 25 Apr 1264 Record for Helen Ellen De QuincyRecord for Roger II Earl Winchester DeQuincyRecord for Roger II Earl Winchester DeQuincyRecord for Roger 'Earl of Winchester' De Quincy
=== Marriage ===
: Date: ABT 1217Source: [[#S4]]
: Date: BEF 05 DEC 1252Source: [[#S4]]
: Date: ABT 1174
: Place: EnglandSource: [[#S4]] : Date: 05 DEC 1252Record for Roger II Earl Winchester DeQuincy
=== Death ===
: Date: 25 APR 1264: Place: Brackley, Northamptonshire, EnglandBirth date: 1174 Birth place: Buckley, Northamptonshire, England Death date: 25 Apr 1264 Death place: Record for Helen Ellen De QuincyRecord for Roger II Earl Winchester DeQuincy Record for Roger II Earl Winchester DeQuincy Record for Roger 'Earl of Winchester' De Quincy
=== Burial ===: Death: 25 April 1264, Buried in Brackley, Northamptonshire, England David Thaler ''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'' page 447
=== Famous Father ===: Roger is the younger son of Magna Charta Surety, Saier de Quincy. Roger inherited the earldom after the death of his older brother, Robert. ''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'' page 447
=== Military Service ===: Military Service: Accompanied his father on the Fifth Crusade in 1219: Fought for King Henry III in Wales, 1258 ''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'' page 447
== Sources ==
: See also:
*Magna Carta Ancestry 2011 2nd ed. Vol. III p. 412-416* Richardson, ''[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1463561687/sr=8-1/qid=1397864689/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1397864689&seller=&sr=8-1 Royal Ancestry]'' (2013) Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1463561687/sr=8-1/qid=1397864689/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1397864689&seller=&sr=8-1 Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families]'', 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), volume IV, page 446-449, entry for Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester. * Phillimore, W.P.W & Fry, George S. [[Space:Abstracts of Gloucestershire Inquisitiones Post Mortem Returned Into the Court of Chancery|Abstracts of Gloucestershire Inquisitiones Post Mortem Returned Into the Court of Chancery]] (British Record Society, London, 1893) [https://archive.org/stream/abstractsofglouc00grea#page/48/mode/1up Part IV. 20 Henry III. to 29 Edward I. 1236-1300, Page 48]* [http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL2.htm#SaherQuincydied1219A "Medieval Lands"], online database, Charles Cawley, accessed 3 June 2014, Copyright: "This data may be used for personal study only. Commercial reproduction is strictly prohibited." Saher de Quincy, #2 - Roger.* Source S-2024265464, Repository: [[#R-2024265400]], ''The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215'', Frederick Lewis Weis, Th. D., Publication: Fourth Edition (With Additions and Corrections By Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr., M. S.; 1971) Repository R-2024265400* ''Quincy, Saer de'', database online, [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Quincy,_Saer_de_%28DNB00%29 Wikisource] entry for Roger Quincy, paragraph 10-11, (accessed 3 June 2014), Original data from ''Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900, Volume 47, Quincy, Saer de'', by William Hunt* Roger de Quincy, [http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=image&guid=d1f3c554-0a3b-4161-b6e7-4414ff7dad92&tid=16746257&pid=2298 Seals of the Earl of Winchester]* ''Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester'', database online, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_de_Quincy,_2nd_Earl_of_Winchester Wikipedia], accessed 2 June 2014, entry for Roger de Quincy, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License* David Thaler, database online, [http://armidalesoftware.com/issue/full/Thaler_187_main.html#N4 entry for Roger de Quincy], 18043 NE 132nd St, Redmond, Washington, 98052, dthaler@microsoft.com* ''An historical essay on the Magna charta of King John'', database online, [https://archive.org/details/historicalessayo00thomuoft Internet Archive], extracted from Richard Thomson, An historical essay on the Magna charta of King John , (London, J. Major and R. Jennings, 1829), page 277* [http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p165.htm#i4944 Marlyn Lewis].* http://www.geni.com/people/Roger-de-Quincy/6000000003146953695 Extensive biography and references.
* U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900
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Roger is the son of [[Quincy-226| Saher de Quincy]], a Magna Carta surety baron [[Category:Quincy-226 Descendants]][[Category: Knights bachelor]] == Biography == : Wives: Helen of Galloway, Maud de Bohun and Eleanor Ferrers. Children: Helen, Elisabeth and Margaret (all with Helen of Galloway). : "He probably joined his father on the Fifth Crusade in 1219, where the elder de Quincy fell sick and died. His elder brother having died a few years earlier, Roger thus inherited his father's titles and properties. However, he did not take possession of his father's lands until February 1221, probably because he did not return to England from the crusade until then. He did not formally become earl until after the death of his mother in 1235."''Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester'' Wkipedia : Roger married Helen, eldest daughter and co-heiress of Alan, Lord of Galloway. Without legitimate sons to succeed him, Alan's lands and dignities were divided between the husbands of his three daughters, so Roger acquired Alan's position as Constable of Scotland, and one-third of the lordship of Galloway (although the actual title of Lord of Galloway went through Helen's half-sister Devorguilla to her husband John I de Balliol). : In the following years Roger was one of the leaders of the baronial opposition to Henry III of England, although he fought for Henry against the Welsh in the 1250s and 1260s. : "In the parliament of Oxford of 1258 he was one of the twelve elected by the ‘community’ to attend the three annual parliaments and exercise the rights of parliament. He was further elected one of the twenty-four commissioners to treat of aid to the king (Annals of Burton, i. 449–50), ''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'' page 447 and was one of the witnesses to the king's confirmation of the acts of the council (ib. p. 456). When Richard of Cornwall was returning from Germany early in 1259, Earl Roger, in company with Walter, bishop of Worcester, and others, on behalf of the barons met him at St. Omer, and forbade him to cross over to England until he had sworn to observe the provisions of Oxford. After eleven days of dispute they obtained a satisfactory guarantee (Wykes, iv. 121–2)." ''Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester'' Wikisource paragraph 10-11 : Thus Roger, 2nd Earl of Winchester, followed in the footsteps of his father, Saer de Quincy, who was one of the twenty-five Barons who were elected surety for Magna Carta in 1215. : Roger's wife Ellen (or Helen) of Galloway died after 21 November 1245, and was buried at Brackely, Northamptonshire, England.''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'' page 446 : "Following Helen's death in 1245, Roger married Maud de Bohun, daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, 2nd Earl of Hereford, around 1250. Maud died only two years later, and Roger married his third wife, Eleanor Ferrers, daughter of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby the same year. After his death his estates were divided between the daughters, and the earldom of Winchester lapsed." ''Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester'' Wikipedia === Notes === : Note NI3914!SOURCES: # Plantagenet Ancestry p. 100-02 # Complete Peerage vol 12 pt 2 p. 753, 934, vol 2 p. 199 # The Battle Abbey Roll vol 1, p. 26, vol 3, p. 47-49, 87 # Doomsday Book p. 7 # Notes and Queries 5s vol 2 p. 129, 171 # The Roll of Battle Abbey p. 93-94 # Dugdale's Baronage of England Vol 1 p. 686-88 # Peerage of the British Isles 1883, p. 447 Sources: *Royal Ancestry 2013 D. Richardson Vol. IV p. 446-449 A8B36 Bukleley Gen p 12; Royal Anc of Magna Charta Baron p 121,208; Gen of Greens Bouhs Domanet & Peerage;Eng Pub A.L.vol; Eng 116; R710 p 374; Bed 6 Vol 5 236; Bessie Rogers No 44 in Archives :Magna Charta Surity !Genealogical Society of Utah; Gareth Rice:Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists Who Came to New England Sixth Edition by Frederick Lewis Weis Genealogical Publishing Co. Baltimore 1988: !The Oxford Illistrated History of the British Monarchy by Cannon and Griffith. : !The Magna Charta Sureties by F. L. Weis.: 2nd Earl of Winchester and constable of Scotland, accompanied his father on the 5th crusade in 1219; : of Buckley, Northamptonshire, England. Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester and High Constable of Scotland. [http://www.robertsewell.ca/dequincy.html#ref Robert Sewell] The arms of Roger de Quincy are described as "Gules, seven mascules conjoined, three, three, and one, or." (A.C. Fox-Davies: A Complete Guide to Heraldry, London, 1909) These are the same arms claimed by the Quincys of Massachusetts.: Professor Salisbury (Family Memorials, 1885, page 308) reports that Roger de Quincy assumed the device of the seven mascules, and goes on to explain that "it appears that the descendants of the younger sons of Saher de Quincy were very numerous, and, as the lands and property were divided, they went into different employments, and became part of the yeomanry of England, but yet carefully retained the arms, and the tradition of their Norman descent." This may explain the use of this device by the Quincys of Massachusetts to this day. According to Richard Thomson, An Historical Essay on the Magna Charta of King John (London, 1829) page 251, these arms were borne by Ferrers of Groby; who were descendants of William de Ferrers, a younger son of Margaret de Quincy and William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby (see below). Roger married Helen of Galloway (died after November 21, 1245). Helen was a daughter of Alan of Galloway, Lord of Galloway, High Constable of Scotland and Advisor to King John (died in 1234) and a daughter or sister of Roger de Lacy, of Pontefract, Constable of Chester. Note: Alan of Galloway had a second marriage to and additional children by Margaret de Huntingdon, a great granddaughter of David (I) "The Saint", King of Scotland. See MC 139 & 140. Roger and Helen had the following daughters, among whom his lands were divided: Margaret de Quincy who married circa 1238 to William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby, as his second wife, her step-mother's father. MC 88-3, CP XII/2 pg. 753::NOTE: Roger de Quincy's third wife, Eleanor de Ferrers, was the daughter of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby, by his first wife Sybil Marshal the daughter of William Marshal. Roger married Eleanor Ferrers about fourteen years after Roger's daughter Margaret Quincy by his first wife, Helen Galloway married William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby.''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'' Vol. II, page 412-415 and Vol. II, page 150-151 Elizabeth de Quincy, second daughter (see Generation Five) Elena de Quincy (Ellen, Helen) who married to Alan, Baron Zouche of Ashby de la Zouche in Leicestershire. MC 74-3 Their son: Roger la Zouche married Ela Longespée. Roger de Quincy married secondly in 1250 to Maud, widow of Anselm Marshal, 9th Earl of Pembroke, daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, 2nd Earl of Hereford and 1st Earl of Essex. She d.s.p. on October 20, 1252. CP XII/2 pg. 753 Roger de Quincy married thirdly to Eleanor, widow of William de Vaux and daughter of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby. CP XII/2 pg. 753 notes on Roger de Quincy BURIAL: Brackley, Northamptonshire, England 2nd Earl of Winchester, Constable of Scotland. Roger de Quincy (his elder brother, Robert, being still in the Holy Land), had livery of his father's estates and he subsequently s. to the Earldom of Winchester. This nobleman marrying Helen, eldest dau. and co-heir of Alan, Lord of Galloway, became, in her right, constable of Scotland. By this lady he had issue, Margaret, Elizabeth, and Ela, m. to Alan, Lord Zouch, of Ashby. His lordship m. 2ndly, Maud, dau. of Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Hereford (widow of Anselme Mareschall, Earl of Pembroke). Roger married 3rdly, Alianore, dau. of William de Ferrers, Earl of Derby, and widow of William de Vaux (this lady survived the earl and m. after his decease, Roger de Leybourne). Dugdale says that the earl had another dau., but by which wife he could not discover, namely, Isabell, with whom a contract of marriage was made, by John, son of Hugh de Nevil, for his son, Hugh. His lordship d. in 1264, when the Earldom of Winchester became extinct, and his great landed possessions devolved upon his daughters, as co-heiresses. Roger took part in the Baronial Wars with his father and accompanied him on Crusade in 1219. He served in Henry III's army in Poitou. His too strict rule of Galloway incited a revolt in 1247. His castle was besieged and deciding to make a dash for it rather than starve to death, he mounted his horse and bolted through the gates with a few followers. They cut their way through the enemy lines and rode all the way to the Scottish court, where King Alexander came to his aid, punished the rebels and restored the Earl's authority. from de Quincy Family Genealogy Children: 1. Helen de Quincy was born about 1222 in Winchester, Hampshire, England and died before 20 Aug 1296 in England. Helen married Sir Alan II La Zouche before 1242 in Winchester, Hampshire, England. Sir Alan was born about 1203 in Ashby-De-La-Zouche, Leicestershire, England. He was the son of Roger La Zouche. He died on 10 Aug 1270 in England. 2. Elizabeth de Quincy was born in 1214 and died after Apr 1282. Elizabeth married Alexander Comyn. Alexander was born about 1217, lived in Buchan, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. He is the son of William Comyn and Margaret Buchan. [www.renderplus.com/hartgen/htm/de-quincy.htm Our Folk], compiler Albert Douglass Hart, Jr. Descendency Chart de Quincy Family See Descendency Chart for direct line to the Hart Family Ancestry.com users - See de Quincy Family Tree for individual charts. 1. Lord Saire de Quincy - was born about 1090 and died about 1156. Lord Saire married Lady Maud de Saint Liz. Lady Maud was born about 1094. She was the daughter of Earl Simon de Saint Liz and Countess Matilda of Northumberland. She died in 1140 . Lady Maud - Lady Bradham. Lord Saire - Lord of Bradenham. Children: (Quick Family Chart)i. Lord Robert de Quincy was born in 1125, lived in Winchester, Hampshire, England and died in 1192 . See #2. below. Quincy Family Arms ----- Second Generation -----2.Lord Robert de Quincy - was born in 1125, lived in Winchester, Hampshire, England and died in 1192 . He was the son of Lord Saire de Quincy and Lady Maud de Saint Liz. Lord Robert married Orabilis de Mar. She was the daughter of Ralph (Nes) de Mar. She died before 30 Jun 1203 . Lord Robert - Lord of Buckley. Children: (Quick Family Chart)i. Saire de Quincy was born in 1155, lived in Winchester, Hampshire, England and died on 3 Nov 1219 in Damietta . He was the son of Lord Robert de Quincy and Orabilis de Mar. Saire married Margaret de Beaumont about 1173. Margaret was born about 1155, lived in Hampshire, England. She was the daughter of Sir Robert de Beaumont and Petronilla de Grandmesnil. She died on 12 Jan 1235 . Saire - 1st Earl of Winchester. Was a Baron present at Lincoln when William the Lion of Scotland did homage to the English monarch in October 1200. He obtained large grants and immunities from King John and was created Earl of Winchester, 2 March 1207, having been governor in 1203 of the Castle of Ruil in Normandy. He is created with rewriting Magna Charta from the Charter of King Henry I and the Saxon Code. Because he had opposed the King s concession to the Pope s legate, he was bitterly hated by King John. One of the Barons to whom the City and Tower of London were resigned, Saire de Quincey was excommunicated with the other Barons the following year. He was sent, with Robert Fitzwalter, the Surety, by the other Barons, to invite the Dauphin of France to assume the Crown of England and, even after the death of King John, he kept a strong garrison in Montsorell Castle in behalf of Prince Louis. When the Barons, being greatly outnumbered, were defeated by the troops of King Henry III, Saire de Quincey, with many others, was made prisoner and his estates forfeited. In the following October his immense estates were restored upon his submission. In 1218 the Earl of Winchester went with the Earls of Chester and Arundel to the Holy Land, assisted at the siege of Damietta in 1219, and died 3 November in the same year, on the way to Jerusalem. Saire de Quincey is associated with two stalwart Castles in the South of England: Colchester Castle and Winchester Castle, both with the Latin castrum root, signifying that they were once the site of Roman forts Children: (Quick Family Chart)i. Robert de Quincy was born about 1172 in Buckley, Northampton, England and died in 1217 in London, England . See #4. below. ii. Roger de Quincy was born about 1174 in Winchester, Hampshire, England and died on 25 Apr 1264 in Holy Land,Asia Minor . See #5. below. iii. Countess Hawise de Quincy was born about 1178, lived in Winchester,Hampshire,England and died on 11 Feb 1222 in England . Colchester Castle Fourth Generation -----4.Robert de Quincy - was born about 1172 in Buckley, Northampton, England and died in 1217 in London, England . He was the son of Saire de Quincy and Margaret de Beaumont.: Robert married Countess Hawise of Chester. Countess Hawise was born in 1180 in Chester, Cheshire, England. She was the daughter of Earl of Chester Hugh of Kevelioc de Meschines and Bertrade de Montfort. She died about 1242 . Countess Hawise - Countess of Lincoln. Children: (Quick Family Chart)i. Margaret de Quincy was born in 1208 in Lincoln, Lincoln, England and died before 30 Mar 1266 in Clerkwell, Middlesex, England. Margaret married John de Lacy. John was born in 1192 in Lincoln, Lincoln, England. He was the son of Baron Roger de Lacy and Maud (Mathilde) de Clare. He died on 22 Jul 1240 and was buried in Cistercian Abbey of Stanlaw, Cheshire, Eng. . Margaret - married 2nd, Walter Marhsall, 5th Earl of Pembroke. : See de Lacy family for children. 5.Roger de Quincy - was born about 1174 in Winchester,Hampshire,England and died on 25 Apr 1264 in Holy Land, Asia Minor . He was the son of Saire de Quincy and Margaret de Beaumont. Roger married Helen of Galloway about 1214. Helen was born about 1208, lived in Carrick,Ayrshire,Scotland. She was the daughter of Alan of Galloway and Hilda de Lisle. She died after 1245 in England . Roger - was the 2nd Earl of Winchester and the Constable of Scotland. He went with his father on the Fifth Crusade in 1219. Children: (Quick Family Chart)i. Helen de Quincy was born about 1222 in Winchester, Hampshire, England and died before 20 Aug 1296 in England. Helen married Sir Alan II La Zouche before 1242 in Winchester, Hampshire, England. Sir Alan was born about 1203 in Ashby-De-La-Zouch, Leicestershire, England. He was the son of Roger La Zouche. He died on 10 Aug 1270 in England. See La Zouche family for children. ii. Elizabeth de Quincy was born in 1214 and died after Apr 1282. Elizabeth married Alexander Comyn. Alexander was born about 1217, lived in Buchan,Aberdeenshire,Scotland. He is the son of William Comyn and Margaret Buchan. See Comyn family for children. 6.Countess Hawise de Quincy - was born about 1178, lived in Winchester,Hampshire,England and died on 11 Feb 1222 in England . She was the daughter of Saire de Quincy and Margaret de Beaumont. Countess Hawise married Walter de Hungerford. Walter was born about 1186. He is the son of Everard de Hungerford. Then Countess Hawise married Earl Hugh de Vere on 11 Feb 1221/1222. Earl Hugh was born about 1184 in Hatfield, Essex, England. He was the son of Robert de Vere and Isabel de Bolebec. He died on 23 Dec 1263 in England and was buried in Earls Colne . Earl Hugh - - Earl of Oxford. "His birthplace is anyone's guess. Since his uncle earl Aubrey (IV) was still alive, they may have been living on one of Isabel's properties when he was born." (Sources: - 1) Countess Hawise - - Countess of Oxf. Children with Walter de HungerfordSee de Hungerford family for children.Children with Earl Hugh de VereSee de Vere family for children. Roger of Quincy Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester (1195? - April 25, 1265) was a medieval nobleman who was prominent on both sides of the Anglo-Scottish border, as Earl of Winchester and Constable of Scotland. He was the second son of Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester, and Margaret de Beaumont. He probably joined his father on the Fifth Crusade in 1219, where the elder de Quincy fell sick and died. His elder brother having died a few years earlier, Roger thus inherited his father's titles and properties. However, he did not take possession of his father's lands until February 1221, probably because he did not return to England from the crusade until then. He did not formally become earl until after the death of his mother in 1235. Roger married Helen, eldest daughter and co-heiress of Alan, Lord of Galloway. Without legitimate sons to succeed him, Alan's lands and dignities were divided between the husbands of his three daughters, so Roger acquired Alan's position as Constable of Scotland, and one-third of the lordship of Galloway (although the actual title of Lord of Galloway went through Helen's half-sister Devorguilla to her husband John I de Balliol). The Galwegians rebelled under Gille Ruadh, not wanting their land divided, but the rebellion was suppressed by Alexander II of Scotland. Roger ruled his portion of Galloway strictly, and the Galwegians revolted again in 1247, forcing Roger to take refuge in a castle. Faced with a siege and little chance of relief, Roger and a few men fought their way out and rode off to seek help from Alexander, who raised forces to again suppress the rebellion. In the following years Roger was one of the leaders of the baronial opposition to Henry III of England, although he fought for Henry against the Welsh in the 1250s and 1260s. Following Helen's death in 1245, Roger married Maud de Bohun, daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, 2nd Earl of Hereford, around 1250. Maud died only two years later, and Roger married his third wife, Eleanor Ferrers, daughter of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby the same year. Roger had three daughters by his first wife, but no sons. His subsequent marriages produced no issue. After his death his estates were divided between the daughters, and the earldom of Winchester lapsed. The three daughters of Roger and Helen of Galloway were: Helen (also known as Ela or Elena), who married Alan Baron Zouche of Ashby; Elizabeth (also known as Isabella), who married Alexander Comyn, 2nd Earl of Buchan; Margaret, who married William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby (and was thus stepmother to her own stepmother). References: Hunt, William (1896). "Saer de Quincy, first Earl of Winchester". Dictionary of National Biography. 48. (Roger de Quincy is treated a subtopic of his father's article): Grant G. Simpson, An Anglo-Scottish Baron of the Thirteenth century: the Acts of Roger de Quincy Earl of Winchester and Constable of Scotland (Unpublished PhD Thesis, Edinburgh 1963). : From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia === Title === : Title: 2nd Earl of Winchester; Constable of Scotland === Name ===: Name: Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester, Source: [[#S5]] [http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=6835128&pid=-970518475 Ancestry Family Trees], Note: [[#N1876]], Note N1876 ''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'' page 447 : Biography of Roger de Quincy, [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Quincy,_Saer_de_%28DNB00%29 Wikisource], Quincy, Saer de, paragraph 10-11. === Birth === : Date: ABT 1174: Place: Winchester, Hampshire, EnglandSource: [[#S4]] Source: [[#S004330]] Data: Text: Birth date: 1174 Birth place: Buckley, Northampton, England Death date: 25 Apr 1264 Record for Helen Ellen De QuincyRecord for Roger II Earl Winchester DeQuincyRecord for Roger II Earl Winchester DeQuincyRecord for Roger 'Earl of Winchester' De Quincy === Marriage === : Date: ABT 1217Source: [[#S4]] : Date: BEF 05 DEC 1252Source: [[#S4]] : Date: ABT 1174 : Place: EnglandSource: [[#S4]] : Date: 05 DEC 1252Record for Roger II Earl Winchester DeQuincy === Death === : Date: 25 APR 1264: Place: Brackley, Northamptonshire, EnglandBirth date: 1174 Birth place: Buckley, Northamptonshire, England Death date: 25 Apr 1264 Death place: Record for Helen Ellen De QuincyRecord for Roger II Earl Winchester DeQuincy Record for Roger II Earl Winchester DeQuincy Record for Roger 'Earl of Winchester' De Quincy === Burial ===: Death: 25 April 1264, Buried in Brackley, Northamptonshire, England David Thaler ''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'' page 447 === Famous Father ===: Roger is the younger son of Magna Charta Surety, Saier de Quincy. Roger inherited the earldom after the death of his older brother, Robert. ''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'' page 447 === Military Service ===: Military Service: Accompanied his father on the Fifth Crusade in 1219: Fought for King Henry III in Wales, 1258 ''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'' page 447 === Sources === *Magna Carta Ancestry 2011 2nd ed. Vol. III p. 412-416 This page has been edited according to January 2014 Style Standards. See the Changes tab for descriptions of imported gedcoms. ---- }
== Biography ==
: Wives: Helen of Galloway, Maud de Bohun and Eleanor Ferrers. Children: Helen, Elisabeth and Margaret (all with Helen of Galloway).
: "He probably joined his father on the Fifth Crusade in 1219, where the elder de Quincy fell sick and died. His elder brother having died a few years earlier, Roger thus inherited his father's titles and properties. However, he did not take possession of his father's lands until February 1221, probably because he did not return to England from the crusade until then. He did not formally become earl until after the death of his mother in 1235."''Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester'' Wkipedia
: Roger married Helen, eldest daughter and co-heiress of Alan, Lord of Galloway. Without legitimate sons to succeed him, Alan's lands and dignities were divided between the husbands of his three daughters, so Roger acquired Alan's position as Constable of Scotland, and one-third of the lordship of Galloway (although the actual title of Lord of Galloway went through Helen's half-sister Devorguilla to her husband John I de Balliol).
: In the following years Roger was one of the leaders of the baronial opposition to Henry III of England, although he fought for Henry against the Welsh in the 1250s and 1260s.
: "In the parliament of Oxford of 1258 he was one of the twelve elected by the ‘community’ to attend the three annual parliaments and exercise the rights of parliament. He was further elected one of the twenty-four commissioners to treat of aid to the king (Annals of Burton, i. 449–50), ''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'' page 447 and was one of the witnesses to the king's confirmation of the acts of the council (ib. p. 456). When Richard of Cornwall was returning from Germany early in 1259, Earl Roger, in company with Walter, bishop of Worcester, and others, on behalf of the barons met him at St. Omer, and forbade him to cross over to England until he had sworn to observe the provisions of Oxford. After eleven days of dispute they obtained a satisfactory guarantee (Wykes, iv. 121–2)." ''Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester'' Wikisource paragraph 10-11
: Thus Roger, 2nd Earl of Winchester, followed in the footsteps of his father, Saer de Quincy, who was one of the twenty-five Barons who were elected surety for Magna Carta in 1215.
: Roger's wife Ellen (or Helen) of Galloway died after 21 November 1245, and was buried at Brackely, Northamptonshire, England.''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'' page 446
: "Following Helen's death in 1245, Roger married Maud de Bohun, daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, 2nd Earl of Hereford, around 1250. Maud died only two years later, and Roger married his third wife, Eleanor Ferrers, daughter of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby the same year. After his death his estates were divided between the daughters, and the earldom of Winchester lapsed." ''Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester'' Wikipedia
=== Notes ===
: Note NI3914!SOURCES:
# Plantagenet Ancestry p. 100-02
# Complete Peerage vol 12 pt 2 p. 753, 934, vol 2 p. 199
# The Battle Abbey Roll vol 1, p. 26, vol 3, p. 47-49, 87
# Doomsday Book p. 7
# Notes and Queries 5s vol 2 p. 129, 171
# The Roll of Battle Abbey p. 93-94
# Dugdale's Baronage of England Vol 1 p. 686-88
# Peerage of the British Isles 1883, p. 447
Sources:
*Royal Ancestry 2013 D. Richardson Vol. IV p. 446-449
A8B36 Bukleley Gen p 12; Royal Anc of Magna Charta Baron p 121,208; Gen of Greens Bouhs Domanet & Peerage;Eng Pub A.L.vol; Eng 116; R710 p 374; Bed 6 Vol 5 236; Bessie Rogers No 44 in Archives
:Magna Charta Surity !Genealogical Society of Utah; Gareth Rice:Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists Who Came to New England Sixth Edition by Frederick Lewis Weis Genealogical Publishing Co. Baltimore 1988: !The Oxford Illistrated History of the British Monarchy by Cannon and Griffith.
: !The Magna Charta Sureties by F. L. Weis.: 2nd Earl of Winchester and constable of Scotland, accompanied his father on the 5th crusade in 1219;
: of Buckley, Northamptonshire, England. Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester and High Constable of Scotland.
[http://www.robertsewell.ca/dequincy.html#ref Robert Sewell]
The arms of Roger de Quincy are described as "Gules, seven mascules conjoined, three, three, and one, or." (A.C. Fox-Davies: A Complete Guide to Heraldry, London, 1909) These are the same arms claimed by the Quincys of Massachusetts.: Professor Salisbury (Family Memorials, 1885, page 308) reports that Roger de Quincy assumed the device of the seven mascules, and goes on to explain that "it appears that the descendants of the younger sons of Saher de Quincy were very numerous, and, as the lands and property were divided, they went into different employments, and became part of the yeomanry of England, but yet carefully retained the arms, and the tradition of their Norman descent." This may explain the use of this device by the Quincys of Massachusetts to this day.
According to Richard Thomson, An Historical Essay on the Magna Charta of King John (London, 1829) page 251, these arms were borne by Ferrers of Groby; who were descendants of William de Ferrers, a younger son of Margaret de Quincy and William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby (see below).
Roger married Helen of Galloway (died after November 21, 1245). Helen was a daughter of Alan of Galloway, Lord of Galloway, High Constable of Scotland and Advisor to King John (died in 1234) and a daughter or sister of Roger de Lacy, of Pontefract, Constable of Chester. Note: Alan of Galloway had a second marriage to and additional children by Margaret de Huntingdon, a great granddaughter of David (I) "The Saint", King of Scotland. See MC 139 & 140.
Roger and Helen had the following daughters, among whom his lands were divided:
Margaret de Quincy who married circa 1238 to William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby, as his second wife, her step-mother's father. MC 88-3, CP XII/2 pg. 753::NOTE: Roger de Quincy's third wife, Eleanor de Ferrers, was the daughter of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby, by his first wife Sybil Marshal the daughter of William Marshal. Roger married Eleanor Ferrers about fourteen years after Roger's daughter Margaret Quincy by his first wife, Helen Galloway married William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby.''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'' Vol. II, page 412-415 and Vol. II, page 150-151
Elizabeth de Quincy, second daughter (see Generation Five)
Elena de Quincy (Ellen, Helen) who married to Alan, Baron Zouche of Ashby de la Zouche in Leicestershire. MC 74-3 Their son:
Roger la Zouche married Ela Longespée.
Roger de Quincy married secondly in 1250 to Maud, widow of Anselm Marshal, 9th Earl of Pembroke, daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, 2nd Earl of Hereford and 1st Earl of Essex. She d.s.p. on October 20, 1252. CP XII/2 pg. 753
Roger de Quincy married thirdly to Eleanor, widow of William de Vaux and daughter of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby. CP XII/2 pg. 753
notes on Roger de Quincy
BURIAL: Brackley, Northamptonshire, England
2nd Earl of Winchester, Constable of Scotland.
Roger de Quincy (his elder brother, Robert, being still in the Holy Land), had livery of his father's estates and he subsequently s. to the Earldom of Winchester. This nobleman marrying Helen, eldest dau. and co-heir of Alan, Lord of Galloway, became, in her right, constable of Scotland. By this lady he had issue, Margaret, Elizabeth, and Ela, m. to Alan, Lord Zouch, of Ashby.
His lordship m. 2ndly, Maud, dau. of Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Hereford (widow of Anselme Mareschall, Earl of Pembroke).
Roger married 3rdly, Alianore, dau. of William de Ferrers, Earl of Derby, and widow of William de Vaux (this lady survived the earl and m. after his decease, Roger de Leybourne). Dugdale says that the earl had another dau., but by which wife he could not discover, namely, Isabell, with whom a contract of marriage was made, by John, son of Hugh de Nevil, for his son, Hugh.
His lordship d. in 1264, when the Earldom of Winchester became extinct, and his great landed possessions devolved upon his daughters, as co-heiresses.
Roger took part in the Baronial Wars with his father and accompanied him on Crusade in 1219. He served in Henry III's army in Poitou. His too strict rule of Galloway incited a revolt in 1247. His castle was besieged and deciding to make a dash for it rather than starve to death, he mounted his horse and bolted through the gates with a few followers. They cut their way through the enemy lines and rode all the way to the Scottish court, where King Alexander came to his aid, punished the rebels and restored the Earl's authority.
from de Quincy Family Genealogy
Children:
1. Helen de Quincy was born about 1222 in Winchester, Hampshire, England and died before 20 Aug 1296 in England. Helen married Sir Alan II La Zouche before 1242 in Winchester, Hampshire, England. Sir Alan was born about 1203 in Ashby-De-La-Zouche, Leicestershire, England. He was the son of Roger La Zouche. He died on 10 Aug 1270 in England.
2. Elizabeth de Quincy was born in 1214 and died after Apr 1282. Elizabeth married Alexander Comyn. Alexander was born about 1217, lived in Buchan, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. He is the son of William Comyn and Margaret Buchan.
[www.renderplus.com/hartgen/htm/de-quincy.htm Our Folk], compiler Albert Douglass Hart, Jr.
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1. Lord Saire de Quincy - was born about 1090 and died about 1156. Lord Saire married Lady Maud de Saint Liz. Lady Maud was born about 1094. She was the daughter of Earl Simon de Saint Liz and Countess Matilda of Northumberland. She died in 1140 .
Lady Maud - Lady Bradham.
Lord Saire - Lord of Bradenham. Children: (Quick Family Chart)i. Lord Robert de Quincy was born in 1125, lived in Winchester, Hampshire, England and died in 1192 . See #2. below.
Quincy Family Arms
----- Second Generation -----2.Lord Robert de Quincy - was born in 1125, lived in Winchester, Hampshire, England and died in 1192 . He was the son of Lord Saire de Quincy and Lady Maud de Saint Liz. Lord Robert married Orabilis de Mar. She was the daughter of Ralph (Nes) de Mar. She died before 30 Jun 1203 .
Lord Robert - Lord of Buckley. Children: (Quick Family Chart)i. Saire de Quincy was born in 1155, lived in Winchester, Hampshire, England and died on 3 Nov 1219 in Damietta . He was the son of Lord Robert de Quincy and Orabilis de Mar.
Saire married Margaret de Beaumont about 1173. Margaret was born about 1155, lived in Hampshire, England. She was the daughter of Sir Robert de Beaumont and Petronilla de Grandmesnil. She died on 12 Jan 1235 .
Saire - 1st Earl of Winchester.
Was a Baron present at Lincoln when William the Lion of Scotland did homage to the English monarch in October 1200. He obtained large grants and immunities from King John and was created Earl of Winchester, 2 March 1207, having been governor in 1203 of the Castle of Ruil in Normandy. He is created with rewriting Magna Charta from the Charter of King Henry I and the Saxon Code. Because he had opposed the Kings concession to the Popes legate, he was bitterly hated by King John. One of the Barons to whom the City and Tower of London were resigned, Saire de Quincey was excommunicated with the other Barons the following year.
He was sent, with Robert Fitzwalter, the Surety, by the other Barons, to invite the Dauphin of France to assume the Crown of England and, even after the death of King John, he kept a strong garrison in Montsorell Castle in behalf of Prince Louis. When the Barons, being greatly outnumbered, were defeated by the troops of King Henry III, Saire de Quincey, with many others, was made prisoner and his estates forfeited. In the following October his immense estates were restored upon his submission. In 1218 the Earl of Winchester went with the Earls of Chester and Arundel to the Holy Land, assisted at the siege of Damietta in 1219, and died 3 November in the same year, on the way to Jerusalem.
Saire de Quincey is associated with two stalwart Castles in the South of England: Colchester Castle and Winchester Castle, both with the Latin castrum root, signifying that they were once the site of Roman forts Children: (Quick Family Chart)i. Robert de Quincy was born about 1172 in Buckley, Northampton, England and died in 1217 in London, England . See #4. below. ii. Roger de Quincy was born about 1174 in Winchester, Hampshire, England and died on 25 Apr 1264 in Holy Land,Asia Minor . See #5. below. iii. Countess Hawise de Quincy was born about 1178, lived in Winchester,Hampshire,England and died on 11 Feb 1222 in England .
Colchester Castle
Fourth Generation -----4.Robert de Quincy - was born about 1172 in Buckley, Northampton, England and died in 1217 in London, England . He was the son of Saire de Quincy and Margaret de Beaumont.: Robert married Countess Hawise of Chester. Countess Hawise was born in 1180 in Chester, Cheshire, England. She was the daughter of Earl of Chester Hugh of Kevelioc de Meschines and Bertrade de Montfort. She died about 1242 .
Countess Hawise - Countess of Lincoln. Children: (Quick Family Chart)i. Margaret de Quincy was born in 1208 in Lincoln, Lincoln, England and died before 30 Mar 1266 in Clerkwell, Middlesex, England. Margaret married John de Lacy. John was born in 1192 in Lincoln, Lincoln, England. He was the son of Baron Roger de Lacy and Maud (Mathilde) de Clare. He died on 22 Jul 1240 and was buried in Cistercian Abbey of Stanlaw, Cheshire, Eng. .
Margaret - married 2nd, Walter Marhsall, 5th Earl of Pembroke.
: See de Lacy family for children.
5.Roger de Quincy - was born about 1174 in Winchester,Hampshire,England and died on 25 Apr 1264 in Holy Land, Asia Minor . He was the son of Saire de Quincy and Margaret de Beaumont. Roger married Helen of Galloway about 1214. Helen was born about 1208, lived in Carrick,Ayrshire,Scotland. She was the daughter of Alan of Galloway and Hilda de Lisle. She died after 1245 in England .
Roger - was the 2nd Earl of Winchester and the Constable of Scotland. He went with his father on the Fifth Crusade in 1219. Children: (Quick Family Chart)i. Helen de Quincy was born about 1222 in Winchester, Hampshire, England and died before 20 Aug 1296 in England. Helen married Sir Alan II La Zouche before 1242 in Winchester, Hampshire, England. Sir Alan was born about 1203 in Ashby-De-La-Zouch, Leicestershire, England. He was the son of Roger La Zouche. He died on 10 Aug 1270 in England. See La Zouche family for children.
ii. Elizabeth de Quincy was born in 1214 and died after Apr 1282. Elizabeth married Alexander Comyn. Alexander was born about 1217, lived in Buchan,Aberdeenshire,Scotland. He is the son of William Comyn and Margaret Buchan. See Comyn family for children.
6.Countess Hawise de Quincy - was born about 1178, lived in Winchester,Hampshire,England and died on 11 Feb 1222 in England . She was the daughter of Saire de Quincy and Margaret de Beaumont. Countess Hawise married Walter de Hungerford. Walter was born about 1186. He is the son of Everard de Hungerford. Then Countess Hawise married Earl Hugh de Vere on 11 Feb 1221/1222. Earl Hugh was born about 1184 in Hatfield, Essex, England. He was the son of Robert de Vere and Isabel de Bolebec. He died on 23 Dec 1263 in England and was buried in Earls Colne .
Earl Hugh - - Earl of Oxford.
"His birthplace is anyone's guess. Since his uncle earl Aubrey (IV) was still alive, they may have been living on one of Isabel's properties when he was born." (Sources: - 1)
Countess Hawise - - Countess of Oxf. Children with Walter de HungerfordSee de Hungerford family for children.Children with Earl Hugh de VereSee de Vere family for children.
Roger of Quincy
Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester (1195? - April 25, 1265) was a medieval nobleman who was prominent on both sides of the Anglo-Scottish border, as Earl of Winchester and Constable of Scotland. He was the second son of Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester, and Margaret de Beaumont.
He probably joined his father on the Fifth Crusade in 1219, where the elder de Quincy fell sick and died. His elder brother having died a few years earlier, Roger thus inherited his father's titles and properties. However, he did not take possession of his father's lands until February 1221, probably because he did not return to England from the crusade until then. He did not formally become earl until after the death of his mother in 1235.
Roger married Helen, eldest daughter and co-heiress of Alan, Lord of Galloway. Without legitimate sons to succeed him, Alan's lands and dignities were divided between the husbands of his three daughters, so Roger acquired Alan's position as Constable of Scotland, and one-third of the lordship of Galloway (although the actual title of Lord of Galloway went through Helen's half-sister Devorguilla to her husband John I de Balliol).
The Galwegians rebelled under Gille Ruadh, not wanting their land divided, but the rebellion was suppressed by Alexander II of Scotland. Roger ruled his portion of Galloway strictly, and the Galwegians revolted again in 1247, forcing Roger to take refuge in a castle. Faced with a siege and little chance of relief, Roger and a few men fought their way out and rode off to seek help from Alexander, who raised forces to again suppress the rebellion.
In the following years Roger was one of the leaders of the baronial opposition to Henry III of England, although he fought for Henry against the Welsh in the 1250s and 1260s.
Following Helen's death in 1245, Roger married Maud de Bohun, daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, 2nd Earl of Hereford, around 1250. Maud died only two years later, and Roger married his third wife, Eleanor Ferrers, daughter of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby the same year.
Roger had three daughters by his first wife, but no sons. His subsequent marriages produced no issue. After his death his estates were divided between the daughters, and the earldom of Winchester lapsed. The three daughters of Roger and Helen of Galloway were:
Helen (also known as Ela or Elena), who married Alan Baron Zouche of Ashby;
Elizabeth (also known as Isabella), who married Alexander Comyn, 2nd Earl of Buchan;
Margaret, who married William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby (and was thus stepmother to her own stepmother).
References: Hunt, William (1896). "Saer de Quincy, first Earl of Winchester". Dictionary of National Biography. 48. (Roger de Quincy is treated a subtopic of his father's article): Grant G. Simpson, An Anglo-Scottish Baron of the Thirteenth century: the Acts of Roger de Quincy Earl of Winchester and Constable of Scotland (Unpublished PhD Thesis, Edinburgh 1963).
: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
=== Title ===
: Title: 2nd Earl of Winchester; Constable of Scotland
=== Name ===: Name: Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester, Source: [[#S5]] [http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=6835128&pid=-970518475 Ancestry Family Trees], Note: [[#N1876]], Note N1876 ''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'' page 447
: Biography of Roger de Quincy, [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Quincy,_Saer_de_%28DNB00%29 Wikisource], Quincy, Saer de, paragraph 10-11.
=== Birth ===
: Date: ABT 1174: Place: Winchester, Hampshire, EnglandSource: [[#S4]] Source: [[#S004330]] Data: Text: Birth date: 1174 Birth place: Buckley, Northampton, England Death date: 25 Apr 1264 Record for Helen Ellen De QuincyRecord for Roger II Earl Winchester DeQuincyRecord for Roger II Earl Winchester DeQuincyRecord for Roger 'Earl of Winchester' De Quincy
=== Marriage ===
: Date: ABT 1217Source: [[#S4]]
: Date: BEF 05 DEC 1252Source: [[#S4]]
: Date: ABT 1174
: Place: EnglandSource: [[#S4]] : Date: 05 DEC 1252Record for Roger II Earl Winchester DeQuincy
=== Death ===
: Date: 25 APR 1264: Place: Brackley, Northamptonshire, EnglandBirth date: 1174 Birth place: Buckley, Northamptonshire, England Death date: 25 Apr 1264 Death place: Record for Helen Ellen De QuincyRecord for Roger II Earl Winchester DeQuincy Record for Roger II Earl Winchester DeQuincy Record for Roger 'Earl of Winchester' De Quincy
=== Burial ===: Death: 25 April 1264, Buried in Brackley, Northamptonshire, England David Thaler ''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'' page 447
=== Famous Father ===: Roger is the younger son of Magna Charta Surety, Saier de Quincy. Roger inherited the earldom after the death of his older brother, Robert. ''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'' page 447
=== Military Service ===: Military Service: Accompanied his father on the Fifth Crusade in 1219: Fought for King Henry III in Wales, 1258 ''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'' page 447
== Sources ==
: See also:
*Magna Carta Ancestry 2011 2nd ed. Vol. III p. 412-416* Richardson, ''[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1463561687/sr=8-1/qid=1397864689/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1397864689&seller=&sr=8-1 Royal Ancestry]'' (2013) Douglas Richardson, ''[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1463561687/sr=8-1/qid=1397864689/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1397864689&seller=&sr=8-1 Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families]'', 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), volume IV, page 446-449, entry for Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester. * Phillimore, W.P.W & Fry, George S. [[Space:Abstracts of Gloucestershire Inquisitiones Post Mortem Returned Into the Court of Chancery|Abstracts of Gloucestershire Inquisitiones Post Mortem Returned Into the Court of Chancery]] (British Record Society, London, 1893) [https://archive.org/stream/abstractsofglouc00grea#page/48/mode/1up Part IV. 20 Henry III. to 29 Edward I. 1236-1300, Page 48]* [http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL2.htm#SaherQuincydied1219A "Medieval Lands"], online database, Charles Cawley, accessed 3 June 2014, Copyright: "This data may be used for personal study only. Commercial reproduction is strictly prohibited." Saher de Quincy, #2 - Roger.* Source S-2024265464, Repository: [[#R-2024265400]], ''The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215'', Frederick Lewis Weis, Th. D., Publication: Fourth Edition (With Additions and Corrections By Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr., M. S.; 1971) Repository R-2024265400* ''Quincy, Saer de'', database online, [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Quincy,_Saer_de_%28DNB00%29 Wikisource] entry for Roger Quincy, paragraph 10-11, (accessed 3 June 2014), Original data from ''Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900, Volume 47, Quincy, Saer de'', by William Hunt* Roger de Quincy, [http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=image&guid=d1f3c554-0a3b-4161-b6e7-4414ff7dad92&tid=16746257&pid=2298 Seals of the Earl of Winchester]* ''Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester'', database online, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_de_Quincy,_2nd_Earl_of_Winchester Wikipedia], accessed 2 June 2014, entry for Roger de Quincy, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License* David Thaler, database online, [http://armidalesoftware.com/issue/full/Thaler_187_main.html#N4 entry for Roger de Quincy], 18043 NE 132nd St, Redmond, Washington, 98052, dthaler@microsoft.com* ''An historical essay on the Magna charta of King John'', database online, [https://archive.org/details/historicalessayo00thomuoft Internet Archive], extracted from Richard Thomson, An historical essay on the Magna charta of King John , (London, J. Major and R. Jennings, 1829), page 277* [http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p165.htm#i4944 Marlyn Lewis].* http://www.geni.com/people/Roger-de-Quincy/6000000003146953695 Extensive biography and references.
* U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900
* Ancestral File Number: 9T9Q-8C* Pedigree Resource File CD 49 Publication: (Salt Lake City, UT: Intellectual Reserve, Inc., 2002) * Repository: R2190409259 Name: Ancestry.com Address: 360 West 4800 North, Provo, UT 84604
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Events
| Birth | Abt 1195 | Winchester, Hampshire, England | |||
| Marriage | 12 Jun 1250 | Maud Bohun | |||
| Marriage | 17 Jan 1253 | Eleanor Ferrers | |||
| Death | 25 Apr 1264 | (bur.) Church of St. Peter's & St. James, Brackley, Northamptonshire, England | |||
| Marriage | Ellen Galloway | ||||
| Marriage | Eleanor Ferrers | ||||
| Alt name | Roger Quincy Knt | ||||
| Title (Nobility) | Sir | ||||
| Reference No | 2175895 | ||||
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| Reference No | 60 |
Families
| Spouse | Eleanor Ferrers (1236 - 1274) |
| Spouse | Ellen Galloway (1204 - 1245) |
| Child | Elizabeth "Isabel, Countess of Buchan" Quincy (1223 - 1303) |
| Child | Ellen "Helen, Elena" Quincy (1222 - 1296) |
| Child | Margaret "Countess of Derby" Quincy (1223 - 1281) |
| Spouse | Maud Bohun (1237 - 1252) |
| Father | Sir Saher "1st Earl of Winchester" Quincy (1155 - 1219) |
| Mother | Margaret "Countess of Winchester" Beaumont (1154 - 1235) |
| Sibling | Robert "Earl of Lincoln" Quincy (1172 - 1217) |
| Sibling | Lorette Quincy (1176 - ) |
| Sibling | Robert Quincy (1200 - 1257) |
| Sibling | Orabella Quincy (1200 - 1258) |
| Sibling | Hawise Quincy (1200 - 1273) |