Individual Details
Cecilia Clavering
(Aft 1222 - )
== Biography ==Essentially nothing is known about her except her name, parents, husband, and children.
===LNAB Note===Older sources, including CP and SP, guessed that her LNAB was Fraser. This is now known to be wrong. It was Fitz John aka Clavering. It will eventually be corrected.
==Sources==
*Douglas Richardson "Royal Ancestry", 2013, Vol. 2, p 220-221
It appears that this parentage we known at least as early as 2004 from this post inthe Newsgroup soc.genealogy.medieval by John Ravilious, and later confirmed by Douglas Richardson. It appears that it was first discovered by the late Andrew B. W. MacEwen.
"Friday, 29 October, 2004
Hello All,
The account in Complete Peerage concerning Patrick de Dunbar, Earl of
Dunbar (or March) who d. 24 Aug 1289, states regarding his wife,
' He m., 1242, Cecil,(a) da. of John [? Fraser]. ' [1]
Following on the work that MichaelAnne Guido has done in identifying Isabel, wife of Roger fitz John of Warkworth, as Isabel de Dunbar [2], I undertook to examine the evidence concerning Cecil [or Cecilia] in CP and Scots Peerage [3] for clues as to her parentage. While no documentary
evidence was initially found, reviewing the onomastic evidence for Cecilia and her family indicated a probable relatonship: that Cecilia was
a daughter of John fitz Robert of Warkworth, Northumberland by Ada de
Baliol, and sister of Roger fitz John - the husband of Isabel, sister
of Cecilia's husband Patrick, Earl of Dunbar:
[NOTE: conjectured connections are designated _ _ _ _ _ ]Note: In the original posting following this was a chart intended to be viewed in a pure ASCII medium which will not survive HTML. Click image to see more clearly.
}
Chronologically there is no objection to the above relationships
indicated.
The relationship of Cecilia, daughter of John and wife of Patrick, earl of Dunbar is not shown as conjectured (despite the lack of underlying documentation presented herein) for a sound reason. Based on a reference by Douglas Richardson to a previous article in The Genealogist concerning the Clavering (Warkworth) and Dunbar families, I contacted Andrew B. W. MacEwen, the noted Scots genealogist. In addition to a number of other matters, Mr. MacEwen confirmed that his article had identified exactly this relationship. Specific documentation he mentioned that was cited in the article included records of debts owed by Patrick, earl of Dunbar (d. 1289) and his father to Ada de Baliol, the mother of Cecilia and of Roger (husband of Earl Patrick's sister Isabel): the text of some of these have
been provided by MichaelAnne Guido from Bain's Calendar of Documents
Pertaining to Scotland [4].
I would like to thank MichaelAnne Guido for all her research and
analysis, and both MichaelAnne and Douglas Richardson for their
suggestions and support. I would also like to thank Andrew MacEwen publicly, as I have already privately, for his collegiality and insight. Any observations, commentary or criticism re: the material in this post
should of course be directed to myself.
~ Following certain additional posts to SGM on the Dunbar family, I will provide an expanded ahnentafel for the family. Following
that, a detailed AT (including all documentation to date) will
be provided to SGM list members upon request.
NOTES
[1] CP IV:506. Note (a) for this page reads:
' (a) See chartulary of Coldstream, nos. 1 and 9, and
chartulary of Kelso, nos. 77 and 81. She is
conjectured to have been an heiress of the family
of Fraser, in consequence of which alliance this
Earl (4 Nov. 1261) bore (being the first of his
race who did so) the roses of the house of Fraser
in a bordure round the lion rampant of Dunbar.
Christian Bruce (sister of Robert Bruce, the
competitor, 1291-92, for the throne of Scotland)
is the wife assigned to him in Wood's Douglas,
but erroneously. (ex inform. A. H. Dunbar). '
[2] MichaelAnne Guido, William Comyn of Kilbride)>, SGM, 22 October 2004.
[3] SP III:259, sub _Dunbar, Earl of Dunbar_ , where she is described as ' The Earl's only recorded wife and the mother of his sons '[SP cites
Liber de Calchou, i.57, 60 ].
[4] Extracts provided by MichaelAnne Guido:
Calendar of Documents Pertaining to Scotland Preserved in Her Majesty's Public Record Office, London, edited by Joseph Bain, Vol. I 1108-1272,
H.M. General Register House 1881, Edinburgh:
#1969. Michaelmas Term 1254.Northumberland:----The king commands the sheriff to distrain Patric earl
of Dunbar (Dumbinar), Alan de Harekare, Alexander de Litelinton;
Patric son of Patric, and Isabella his sister, executors of the
testament of the aforesaid Patric, and to have their bodies & c. on
the morrow of St. Hilary to answer to the king together with the
executors of Ada de Baylloll, for their debts to said Ada, in part payment &c. Similar command to the Sheriff of York for Hugh de Euere,
Ingeram de Bouinton and William de Waldo. And to the Sheriff of
Canterbury for Alan the Reeve and William the Reeve.
[Memoranda Q.R. 39 Henry III, m. 8 dorso].
#1971. Michaelmas Term 1254.The Sheriff of Northumberland is commanded to realize (fi'fac') from the goods and chattels of Patric earl of Dunbar, 60 marks he owed to Ada de Baylol of a prest, and 70 marks the earl'd father owed to Ada; one moiety of which he ought to have paid to her executors in the octave
of St. John [the] Baptist, and another at the octave of St. Martin, as he recognized before the Barons &c.; and to have the money before
them in the quinzaine of St. Hilary, to deliver to the king in part
payment of Ada's debt to the king.
[ Memoranda Q.R. 39 Henry III, m. 5 dorso].
* John P. Ravilious"
===LNAB Note===Older sources, including CP and SP, guessed that her LNAB was Fraser. This is now known to be wrong. It was Fitz John aka Clavering. It will eventually be corrected.
==Sources==
*Douglas Richardson "Royal Ancestry", 2013, Vol. 2, p 220-221
It appears that this parentage we known at least as early as 2004 from this post inthe Newsgroup soc.genealogy.medieval by John Ravilious, and later confirmed by Douglas Richardson. It appears that it was first discovered by the late Andrew B. W. MacEwen.
"Friday, 29 October, 2004
Hello All,
The account in Complete Peerage concerning Patrick de Dunbar, Earl of
Dunbar (or March) who d. 24 Aug 1289, states regarding his wife,
' He m., 1242, Cecil,(a) da. of John [? Fraser]. ' [1]
Following on the work that MichaelAnne Guido has done in identifying Isabel, wife of Roger fitz John of Warkworth, as Isabel de Dunbar [2], I undertook to examine the evidence concerning Cecil [or Cecilia] in CP and Scots Peerage [3] for clues as to her parentage. While no documentary
evidence was initially found, reviewing the onomastic evidence for Cecilia and her family indicated a probable relatonship: that Cecilia was
a daughter of John fitz Robert of Warkworth, Northumberland by Ada de
Baliol, and sister of Roger fitz John - the husband of Isabel, sister
of Cecilia's husband Patrick, Earl of Dunbar:
[NOTE: conjectured connections are designated _ _ _ _ _ ]Note: In the original posting following this was a chart intended to be viewed in a pure ASCII medium which will not survive HTML. Click image to see more clearly.
}
Chronologically there is no objection to the above relationships
indicated.
The relationship of Cecilia, daughter of John and wife of Patrick, earl of Dunbar is not shown as conjectured (despite the lack of underlying documentation presented herein) for a sound reason. Based on a reference by Douglas Richardson to a previous article in The Genealogist concerning the Clavering (Warkworth) and Dunbar families, I contacted Andrew B. W. MacEwen, the noted Scots genealogist. In addition to a number of other matters, Mr. MacEwen confirmed that his article had identified exactly this relationship. Specific documentation he mentioned that was cited in the article included records of debts owed by Patrick, earl of Dunbar (d. 1289) and his father to Ada de Baliol, the mother of Cecilia and of Roger (husband of Earl Patrick's sister Isabel): the text of some of these have
been provided by MichaelAnne Guido from Bain's Calendar of Documents
Pertaining to Scotland [4].
I would like to thank MichaelAnne Guido for all her research and
analysis, and both MichaelAnne and Douglas Richardson for their
suggestions and support. I would also like to thank Andrew MacEwen publicly, as I have already privately, for his collegiality and insight. Any observations, commentary or criticism re: the material in this post
should of course be directed to myself.
~ Following certain additional posts to SGM on the Dunbar family, I will provide an expanded ahnentafel for the family. Following
that, a detailed AT (including all documentation to date) will
be provided to SGM list members upon request.
NOTES
[1] CP IV:506. Note (a) for this page reads:
' (a) See chartulary of Coldstream, nos. 1 and 9, and
chartulary of Kelso, nos. 77 and 81. She is
conjectured to have been an heiress of the family
of Fraser, in consequence of which alliance this
Earl (4 Nov. 1261) bore (being the first of his
race who did so) the roses of the house of Fraser
in a bordure round the lion rampant of Dunbar.
Christian Bruce (sister of Robert Bruce, the
competitor, 1291-92, for the throne of Scotland)
is the wife assigned to him in Wood's Douglas,
but erroneously. (ex inform. A. H. Dunbar). '
[2] MichaelAnne Guido,
[3] SP III:259, sub _Dunbar, Earl of Dunbar_ , where she is described as ' The Earl's only recorded wife and the mother of his sons '[SP cites
Liber de Calchou, i.57, 60 ].
[4] Extracts provided by MichaelAnne Guido:
Calendar of Documents Pertaining to Scotland Preserved in Her Majesty's Public Record Office, London, edited by Joseph Bain, Vol. I 1108-1272,
H.M. General Register House 1881, Edinburgh:
#1969. Michaelmas Term 1254.Northumberland:----The king commands the sheriff to distrain Patric earl
of Dunbar (Dumbinar), Alan de Harekare, Alexander de Litelinton;
Patric son of Patric, and Isabella his sister, executors of the
testament of the aforesaid Patric, and to have their bodies & c. on
the morrow of St. Hilary to answer to the king together with the
executors of Ada de Baylloll, for their debts to said Ada, in part payment &c. Similar command to the Sheriff of York for Hugh de Euere,
Ingeram de Bouinton and William de Waldo. And to the Sheriff of
Canterbury for Alan the Reeve and William the Reeve.
[Memoranda Q.R. 39 Henry III, m. 8 dorso].
#1971. Michaelmas Term 1254.The Sheriff of Northumberland is commanded to realize (fi'fac') from the goods and chattels of Patric earl of Dunbar, 60 marks he owed to Ada de Baylol of a prest, and 70 marks the earl'd father owed to Ada; one moiety of which he ought to have paid to her executors in the octave
of St. John [the] Baptist, and another at the octave of St. Martin, as he recognized before the Barons &c.; and to have the money before
them in the quinzaine of St. Hilary, to deliver to the king in part
payment of Ada's debt to the king.
[ Memoranda Q.R. 39 Henry III, m. 5 dorso].
* John P. Ravilious"
Events
| Birth | Aft 1222 | ||||
| Marriage | Patrick "6th Earl of Dunbar" Dunbar | ||||
| Alt name | Fraser | ||||
| Reference No | 11326785 | ||||
| Reference No | |||||
| Reference No | 60 |
Families
| Spouse | Patrick "6th Earl of Dunbar" Dunbar (1213 - 1289) |
| Child | Patrick "7th Earl of Dunbar" Dunbar (1242 - 1308) |
| Child | John Dunbar (1240 - ) |
| Child | Alexander Dunbar (1242 - ) |
| Father | John "Lord of Warkworth Castle, Northumberland" Clavering (1191 - 1241) |
| Mother | Ada Balliol (1204 - 1251) |
| Sibling | Roger "4th Baron of Warkworth, 2nd Baron of Clavering" Clavering (1219 - 1249) |
| Sibling | Margaret Clavering (1220 - ) |
| Sibling | Sir Robert Clavering (1230 - 1271) |
| Sibling | Sir Hugh Eure (1240 - 1295) |