Individual Details
Sir Andrew Leslie
(Abt 1280 - Bef 28 Nov 1324)
[[Category:Declaration of Arbroath]]
[[Category:Lord of Leslie]]
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== Biography ==
=== Historical Contention ===Note that there are discrepancies between the two major source documents'' Historical records of the family of Leslie from 1067 to 1868-69. Collected from public records and authentic private sources''[[#S-26]] Leslie, Charles Joseph; Volume 1, pages 18 through 23 and ''The Scots peerage, founded on Wood's edition of Sir Robert Douglas's peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that kingdom''.[[#S-5]] Balfour Paul; Volume 6, page 268 through 271 This profile is based on both documents but, in the event of a genealogical clash of information, '''The Scots Peerage''' takes precedence, unless original source material proves otherwise.
Further, there is a record,Lindores Chartulary no 84, dated 12 July 1253 [http://db.poms.ac.uk/record/source/5199/ online] dated 1253 where a Sir Andrew Leslie appears as witness to a quitclaim of feudal obligation, of a John, son of Thomas of Malind, by a Norman of Leslie, son of Norman the Constable of Inverurie. This factoid is not explained in either source although Balfour Paul[[#S-5]] Balfour Paul; Volume 6, page 267 discusses the discrepancy with the Normans. Given the dates it would seem probable that the Norman mentioned and the Andrew were brothers. The issue may account for the sudden change in name of the head of the house from Norman to Andrew in that this Andrew may have been the son of a brother of Norman rather than Norman. We have chosen to follow The Scots Peerage in its lineage.
There is also contention regarding his marriage dates. He is, by all sources, stated to have married Mary Abernethy. All evidence supports this marriage. However the date of the marriage is not clear. Leslie, the family historian, claims[[#S-26]] Leslie, Charles Joseph; page 17 "Sir Norman de Leslie (his stated father) is a contracting party to the marriage-agreement of his son Sir Andrew de Leslie with Mary Abernethy, in 1313." Andrew was not of age in 1296, as Norman is the only Leslie on the Homage Rolls, but must have been of age in 1317 when he, and his wife, act in relation to her lands at Cairney. Andrew dies in 1324 when Mary remarries and the estates pass to the eldest son, Andrew. There is no mention of the Leslie estates being held in ward although there is in regards to Balenbreich (Norman inherited). Clearly Andrew, the eldest son, must have been of age in 1324 and Norman in 1330, when he gets paid his pension. The marriage must thus have occurred no later than 1303.
=== Historical Biography ===
Very little is noted regarding Sir Andrew Leslie, supporting the assertion on lineage mentioned above. His father signed the Ragman Rolls of 1296, thus suggesting Andrew was not of age and his father was on the Parliament held by Bruce at Cambuskenneth after Bannockburn.
His first appearance on the public record is on 19 June 1317, when he, with consent of his wife,The Douglas Book, iii. 391. obliged himself to infeft Sir William Lindsay, Rector of Ayr, in twenty-four merks of land in his tenement of Cairney, co. Forfar. This advises that he was married prior to 1317 and who his wife is and that they held the lands of Cairney, which were lands held to the family of Abernethy into which he had married. These lands, Cairney, will be taken with her when she marries Sir David Lindsay.Lives of the Lindsay's; Lord Lindsay, Volume I, page 62, Note
He appears on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_signatories_of_the_Declaration_of_Arbroath Declaration of Arbroath], in 1320, where he signs the Declaration as Andreas de Lescelyne (Andrew of Leslie). His seal is no longer recorded. His appearance on this Roll certainly indicates he was head of the house at the time.
On this information it is difficult to provides dates for his life. We can presume he was born about 1290 at the latest. He died after 1320 and before 1324 as his wife obtains Papal Dispensation to remarry, dispensation dated 28 November 1324.[[#S-5]] Balfour Paul; Volume 6, page 269
=== Family and Legacy ===He married Mary Abernethy, one of the daughters and co-heiresses of Sir [[Abernethy-188|Alexander Abernethy]], Lord of Abernethy, who died before the end of 1315. The Leslie historian suggests that from her he received the lands of Ballinbreich in Fifeshire, Cairney in Forfar, and various other lands, and, it is said, Rothes in Elgin, but of this no record has been found. He got charters of Ballinbreich and Cairney from King Robert I., and quartered the arms of Abernethy with his own.[[#S-26]] Leslie, Charles Joseph; Volume 1, pages 18 through 23 These lands were however, at least in part, only held in right of his wife as she takes Cairney with her on the instance of her second marriage. It seems probable that he, after his marriage quartered his arms, and thus they are depicted on this page.
By his marriage with Mary Abernethy, Sir Andrew de Leslie is said to have had a number of sons. Balfour Paul provides three and is sceptical regarding a George[[#S-5]] Balfour Paul; Volume 6, page 269 but presumably due to the error with dates of his marriage and Leslie, the family historian, provides five, although one, that of Rothes, is clearly incorrect. Morison is specific in his work[[#S-28]] Morison, Alexander, page 36 where he states that "It (Balquhain) has been in the possession of the Leslie family ever since Sir George Leslie, the first of Balquhain, received it from his father, Sir Andrew de Leslie, the sixth of that Ilk, some time prior to 1340". There seem to have been four:
: [[Leslie-773|Andrew Leslie]]; who will succeed.
: [[Leslie-774|Norman Leslie]].
: [[Leslie-464|Walter Leslie]]; later Earl of Ross.: [[Leslie-562|George Leslie]]; who receives the lands of Balquhain, and others, and is raised to 1st of Balquhain.
These give rise to some dating difficulties. There is no discussion in any source of the main estates being held in ward. This implies that Andrew must have been of age in 1324, when his father dies. Norman was likely of age in 1330 as he is paid a pension for enduring the ward of Balenbreich at that time. Balquhain does seem to have been held in ward to the Crown as they are not fully granted to George until 1340. Given this situation Andrew must have been born about 1300, Norman, about 1305, and George, about 1315. Thus placing Walter about 1310.
For this to be true he must have married before 1300 and thus was likely born about 1280.
=== Armorials ===He is stated, as mentioned above, to have quartered his arms, that of Leslie, with those of Abernethy. These arms are illustrated on this page. Armorials are hereditary and depict lineage. This Andrew divides the estates amongst his children and the children will all bear arms:
: Andrew, as the eldest, will inherit the main lands and should bear the arms of Leslie of that Ilk. The oldest arms are given as argent, on a bend azure, three buckles or. At some point this becomes Argent on a bend azure, three buckles or, within a double tressure flory counterflory gules.: Norman, as the second child and inheriting the second most important lands, including those of his mother, should bear the quartered arms. It is important to note for his future generations that these are the arms carried by the Earl of Rothes and thus, almost certainly, suggesting that they are descended from Norman.: Walter, the third son, should difference his arms, and does so through the use of ermine on the bend.: George, the youngest son, gains the lands of Balquhain and should difference his arms, which he does through the use of a fesse rather than an bend. He adopts the crescent for distinction which, according to Stoddart, is dropped by Alexander of Balquhain in 1672.
== Footnotes ==
== Sources ==* Source S-5}
* Source S-26 }
* Source S-28 }
* Source S-82 }
http://www.thepeerage.com/p23118.htm#i231178
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== Notes ==
== Acknowledgements ==
Profile created by [[Ridley-388 | Leslie Ridley]], Tuesday, April 15, 2014. [[Straiton-4|Doug Straiton]] for building the bio. If any questions or issues or find any original source material contact Doug.
[[Category:Lord of Leslie]]
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== Biography ==
=== Historical Contention ===Note that there are discrepancies between the two major source documents'' Historical records of the family of Leslie from 1067 to 1868-69. Collected from public records and authentic private sources''[[#S-26]] Leslie, Charles Joseph; Volume 1, pages 18 through 23 and ''The Scots peerage, founded on Wood's edition of Sir Robert Douglas's peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that kingdom''.[[#S-5]] Balfour Paul; Volume 6, page 268 through 271 This profile is based on both documents but, in the event of a genealogical clash of information, '''The Scots Peerage''' takes precedence, unless original source material proves otherwise.
Further, there is a record,Lindores Chartulary no 84, dated 12 July 1253 [http://db.poms.ac.uk/record/source/5199/ online] dated 1253 where a Sir Andrew Leslie appears as witness to a quitclaim of feudal obligation, of a John, son of Thomas of Malind, by a Norman of Leslie, son of Norman the Constable of Inverurie. This factoid is not explained in either source although Balfour Paul[[#S-5]] Balfour Paul; Volume 6, page 267 discusses the discrepancy with the Normans. Given the dates it would seem probable that the Norman mentioned and the Andrew were brothers. The issue may account for the sudden change in name of the head of the house from Norman to Andrew in that this Andrew may have been the son of a brother of Norman rather than Norman. We have chosen to follow The Scots Peerage in its lineage.
There is also contention regarding his marriage dates. He is, by all sources, stated to have married Mary Abernethy. All evidence supports this marriage. However the date of the marriage is not clear. Leslie, the family historian, claims[[#S-26]] Leslie, Charles Joseph; page 17 "Sir Norman de Leslie (his stated father) is a contracting party to the marriage-agreement of his son Sir Andrew de Leslie with Mary Abernethy, in 1313." Andrew was not of age in 1296, as Norman is the only Leslie on the Homage Rolls, but must have been of age in 1317 when he, and his wife, act in relation to her lands at Cairney. Andrew dies in 1324 when Mary remarries and the estates pass to the eldest son, Andrew. There is no mention of the Leslie estates being held in ward although there is in regards to Balenbreich (Norman inherited). Clearly Andrew, the eldest son, must have been of age in 1324 and Norman in 1330, when he gets paid his pension. The marriage must thus have occurred no later than 1303.
=== Historical Biography ===
Very little is noted regarding Sir Andrew Leslie, supporting the assertion on lineage mentioned above. His father signed the Ragman Rolls of 1296, thus suggesting Andrew was not of age and his father was on the Parliament held by Bruce at Cambuskenneth after Bannockburn.
His first appearance on the public record is on 19 June 1317, when he, with consent of his wife,The Douglas Book, iii. 391. obliged himself to infeft Sir William Lindsay, Rector of Ayr, in twenty-four merks of land in his tenement of Cairney, co. Forfar. This advises that he was married prior to 1317 and who his wife is and that they held the lands of Cairney, which were lands held to the family of Abernethy into which he had married. These lands, Cairney, will be taken with her when she marries Sir David Lindsay.Lives of the Lindsay's; Lord Lindsay, Volume I, page 62, Note
He appears on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_signatories_of_the_Declaration_of_Arbroath Declaration of Arbroath], in 1320, where he signs the Declaration as Andreas de Lescelyne (Andrew of Leslie). His seal is no longer recorded. His appearance on this Roll certainly indicates he was head of the house at the time.
On this information it is difficult to provides dates for his life. We can presume he was born about 1290 at the latest. He died after 1320 and before 1324 as his wife obtains Papal Dispensation to remarry, dispensation dated 28 November 1324.[[#S-5]] Balfour Paul; Volume 6, page 269
=== Family and Legacy ===He married Mary Abernethy, one of the daughters and co-heiresses of Sir [[Abernethy-188|Alexander Abernethy]], Lord of Abernethy, who died before the end of 1315. The Leslie historian suggests that from her he received the lands of Ballinbreich in Fifeshire, Cairney in Forfar, and various other lands, and, it is said, Rothes in Elgin, but of this no record has been found. He got charters of Ballinbreich and Cairney from King Robert I., and quartered the arms of Abernethy with his own.[[#S-26]] Leslie, Charles Joseph; Volume 1, pages 18 through 23 These lands were however, at least in part, only held in right of his wife as she takes Cairney with her on the instance of her second marriage. It seems probable that he, after his marriage quartered his arms, and thus they are depicted on this page.
By his marriage with Mary Abernethy, Sir Andrew de Leslie is said to have had a number of sons. Balfour Paul provides three and is sceptical regarding a George[[#S-5]] Balfour Paul; Volume 6, page 269 but presumably due to the error with dates of his marriage and Leslie, the family historian, provides five, although one, that of Rothes, is clearly incorrect. Morison is specific in his work[[#S-28]] Morison, Alexander, page 36 where he states that "It (Balquhain) has been in the possession of the Leslie family ever since Sir George Leslie, the first of Balquhain, received it from his father, Sir Andrew de Leslie, the sixth of that Ilk, some time prior to 1340". There seem to have been four:
: [[Leslie-773|Andrew Leslie]]; who will succeed.
: [[Leslie-774|Norman Leslie]].
: [[Leslie-464|Walter Leslie]]; later Earl of Ross.: [[Leslie-562|George Leslie]]; who receives the lands of Balquhain, and others, and is raised to 1st of Balquhain.
These give rise to some dating difficulties. There is no discussion in any source of the main estates being held in ward. This implies that Andrew must have been of age in 1324, when his father dies. Norman was likely of age in 1330 as he is paid a pension for enduring the ward of Balenbreich at that time. Balquhain does seem to have been held in ward to the Crown as they are not fully granted to George until 1340. Given this situation Andrew must have been born about 1300, Norman, about 1305, and George, about 1315. Thus placing Walter about 1310.
For this to be true he must have married before 1300 and thus was likely born about 1280.
=== Armorials ===He is stated, as mentioned above, to have quartered his arms, that of Leslie, with those of Abernethy. These arms are illustrated on this page. Armorials are hereditary and depict lineage. This Andrew divides the estates amongst his children and the children will all bear arms:
: Andrew, as the eldest, will inherit the main lands and should bear the arms of Leslie of that Ilk. The oldest arms are given as argent, on a bend azure, three buckles or. At some point this becomes Argent on a bend azure, three buckles or, within a double tressure flory counterflory gules.: Norman, as the second child and inheriting the second most important lands, including those of his mother, should bear the quartered arms. It is important to note for his future generations that these are the arms carried by the Earl of Rothes and thus, almost certainly, suggesting that they are descended from Norman.: Walter, the third son, should difference his arms, and does so through the use of ermine on the bend.: George, the youngest son, gains the lands of Balquhain and should difference his arms, which he does through the use of a fesse rather than an bend. He adopts the crescent for distinction which, according to Stoddart, is dropped by Alexander of Balquhain in 1672.
== Footnotes ==
== Sources ==* Source S-5}
* Source S-26 }
* Source S-28 }
* Source S-82 }
http://www.thepeerage.com/p23118.htm#i231178
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== Notes ==
== Acknowledgements ==
Profile created by [[Ridley-388 | Leslie Ridley]], Tuesday, April 15, 2014. [[Straiton-4|Doug Straiton]] for building the bio. If any questions or issues or find any original source material contact Doug.
Events
| Birth | Abt 1280 | Leslie Castle, Auchleven, Aberdeenshire, Scotland | |||
| Birth | Abt 1280 | ||||
| Marriage | 1300 | Mary Abernethy | |||
| Death | Bef 28 Nov 1324 | Leslie Castle, Auchleven, Aberdeenshire, Scotland | |||
| Death | Bef 28 Nov 1324 | ||||
| Alt name | 6th Lord of Leslie | ||||
| Alt name | Andrew Leslie | ||||
| Reference No | 7719269 | ||||
| Reference No | |||||
| Reference No | 60 | ||||
| Reference No | 8035543 |
Families
| Spouse | Mary Abernethy (1285 - 1355) |
| Child | Sir Walter Leslie (1310 - 1382) |
| Child | Margaret Leslie (1315 - 1350) |
| Child | Sir Andrew Leslie (1300 - 1355) |
| Child | Norman Leslie (1305 - 1365) |
| Child | Norino Leslie (1313 - 1366) |
| Child | Margaret De Leslie (1315 - 1350) |
| Child | Sir George Leslie (1318 - 1351) |
| Father | Sir Norman Leslie (1246 - 1317) |
| Mother | Elizabeth Leith (1250 - 1320) |