Individual Details
Hawise "Rohaise" Romare
(Abt 1130 - Abt 1188)
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==Biography==believe spelling of last name should be same as father and brother. perhaps a typo. LNAB '''Roumare''', given name probably Hawise, preferred name "Rohese"
:'''Input, Considerations, Discussion of Existence, Parentage'''*Merge of [[Romare-33|Romare-33]] and [[Roumare-2|Roumare-2]] is called for. surviving should be Roumare-2 because that is proper-similar spelling of father William. Birth guess is 1130 in Spalding, Lincolnshire, England. No value in having duplicate. now there is "nothing" really on [[Roumare-2|Roumare-2]] created 4 years ago...Rohese Roumare.
Parentage isn't proven, but I am attaching solid secondary sources, which I normally have confidence in because of their lengthy involvement in the SGM forum (Jim Weber SGM-rootsweb & Leo van de Pas). I also have concerns about messy unrealistic extensions of Lancaster and FitzReinfrid, Talliabois etc. with phantom individuals, but I believe the sources identifying this person should be posted and lets see what additional supporting pieces are found.
First name is a curious pattern. Her mother had given name of Hawise, but preferred name of Maud de Reviers, (SGM), then the projected son Gilbert had a wife named Hawise Lancaster. Gilbert reportedly had a daughter named Hawise Lancaster who married Peter Bruce. That Bruce Lancaster marriage and family does have good sourcing. Almost seems artificial, but truly, when the first and last Hawise are confirmed, having Hawise at this place in tree is not improbable. If this was Royalty it would be an honor.
Jim Webber indicates " I have Hawise (Rohasie/Rohese) de Roumare as mother of Gilbert FitzReinfrid, and I believe that she married Gilbert's father, Roger FitzReinfrid, about 1156."Jim Weber rootsweb, SGM forum [http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I05555 William Roumare father of Hawise] Genealogics, Leo van de Pas [http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00470453&tree=LEO William Roumare Earl of Lincoln abt 1096] The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden.VII 667 citation in Genealogics, Leo van de Pas Weber cited Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com; Page: Alan B. Wilson, 22 Aug 1998. Listed Gilbert and Joscelyn FitzReinfrid as children of Roger. It may still be a myth.
=== Disputed Parentage & Spouse===
William, Baron of Kendal and Hawise (Reviers) de Roumare had issue:
: William (Helie) de Roumare, married Agnes de Aumale.
Some genealogies have a reference to a daughter Rohese de Roumare, married to a Roger FitzReinfride. There is, however, no reference to any children other than William in the historical records, and the wife of Roger FitzReinfride is unknown. Other genealogies have reference to a second daughter, Hawise de Roumare, but again there is no reference to any children other than William in the historical records. References exist as late as 1161 to "Hadewysia comitissa de Rumara" (Hawise Countess of Rumara [Reveirs]) but these are referring to Hawise de Reviers the widow of William de Roumare. Even the Institute of Historical Research and the History of Parliament Trust on their web-site British History Online refer to Hawise de Reviers as Hawise de Roumare, Countess of Lincoln.
==Sources==
:'''See Also'''This person was created through the import of Rodney Timbrook Ancestors and Relatives_2010-09-10.ged on 10 September 2010.
* Source: S004444 Title: Ancestry Family Trees Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members. Note: [[#NS044441]] No NOTE record found with id NS044441 Repository: Note: [[#NS044443]] .
==Biography==believe spelling of last name should be same as father and brother. perhaps a typo. LNAB '''Roumare''', given name probably Hawise, preferred name "Rohese"
:'''Input, Considerations, Discussion of Existence, Parentage'''*Merge of [[Romare-33|Romare-33]] and [[Roumare-2|Roumare-2]] is called for. surviving should be Roumare-2 because that is proper-similar spelling of father William. Birth guess is 1130 in Spalding, Lincolnshire, England. No value in having duplicate. now there is "nothing" really on [[Roumare-2|Roumare-2]] created 4 years ago...Rohese Roumare.
Parentage isn't proven, but I am attaching solid secondary sources, which I normally have confidence in because of their lengthy involvement in the SGM forum (Jim Weber SGM-rootsweb & Leo van de Pas). I also have concerns about messy unrealistic extensions of Lancaster and FitzReinfrid, Talliabois etc. with phantom individuals, but I believe the sources identifying this person should be posted and lets see what additional supporting pieces are found.
First name is a curious pattern. Her mother had given name of Hawise, but preferred name of Maud de Reviers, (SGM), then the projected son Gilbert had a wife named Hawise Lancaster. Gilbert reportedly had a daughter named Hawise Lancaster who married Peter Bruce. That Bruce Lancaster marriage and family does have good sourcing. Almost seems artificial, but truly, when the first and last Hawise are confirmed, having Hawise at this place in tree is not improbable. If this was Royalty it would be an honor.
Jim Webber indicates " I have Hawise (Rohasie/Rohese) de Roumare as mother of Gilbert FitzReinfrid, and I believe that she married Gilbert's father, Roger FitzReinfrid, about 1156."Jim Weber rootsweb, SGM forum [http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I05555 William Roumare father of Hawise] Genealogics, Leo van de Pas [http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00470453&tree=LEO William Roumare Earl of Lincoln abt 1096] The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden.VII 667 citation in Genealogics, Leo van de Pas Weber cited Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com; Page: Alan B. Wilson, 22 Aug 1998. Listed Gilbert and Joscelyn FitzReinfrid as children of Roger. It may still be a myth.
=== Disputed Parentage & Spouse===
William, Baron of Kendal and Hawise (Reviers) de Roumare had issue:
: William (Helie) de Roumare, married Agnes de Aumale.
Some genealogies have a reference to a daughter Rohese de Roumare, married to a Roger FitzReinfride. There is, however, no reference to any children other than William in the historical records, and the wife of Roger FitzReinfride is unknown. Other genealogies have reference to a second daughter, Hawise de Roumare, but again there is no reference to any children other than William in the historical records. References exist as late as 1161 to "Hadewysia comitissa de Rumara" (Hawise Countess of Rumara [Reveirs]) but these are referring to Hawise de Reviers the widow of William de Roumare. Even the Institute of Historical Research and the History of Parliament Trust on their web-site British History Online refer to Hawise de Reviers as Hawise de Roumare, Countess of Lincoln.
==Sources==
:'''See Also'''This person was created through the import of Rodney Timbrook Ancestors and Relatives_2010-09-10.ged on 10 September 2010.
* Source: S004444 Title: Ancestry Family Trees Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members. Note: [[#NS044441]] No NOTE record found with id NS044441 Repository: Note: [[#NS044443]] .
Events
| Birth | Abt 1130 | Spalding, Lincolnshire, England | |||
| Death | Abt 1188 | Bridlington, East Riding, Yorkshire, England | |||
| Marriage | Roger FitzReinfrid | ||||
| Alt name | Roumare | ||||
| Reference No | 13241422 | ||||
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| Reference No | 60 |
Families
| Spouse | Roger FitzReinfrid (1114 - 1197) |
| Child | Gilbert "Lord of Kendal" FitzReinfrid (1157 - 1220) |
| Father | William Roumare (1096 - 1160) |
| Mother | Hawise Reviers (1100 - 1161) |