Individual Details
Roger FitzReinfrid
(1114 - 1197)
==Biography==
* This person has his own Wikipedia article: [[Wikipedia:Roger fitzReinfrid]].
It cites Keats-Rohan, who wrote:Domesday Descendants p.942. Keats-Rohan also cites Gervers (ed.) Cartulary of Knights St John II, and also the Pipe Rolls for the 7th and 8th years of Henry II. ''EEA'' stands for ''English Episcopal Acta''.
:'''Filius Rainfridi, Roger''':Brother of Walter de Coutances, archbishop of Rouen. Member of Richard de Lucy's household from c.1168-78. Royal justice. Granted land in the parish of St Peter 'de Bradestrete', next the land of the Hospitallers, in perpetual alms to Launceston priory, for the souls of himself and his wife Alice, in exchange for the moiety of the mill of Goodmansleigh (''Cart. Launceston'', 247-50). He was enfeoffed with half a fee at Ramsden Bellhouse by Gilbert Foliot, bishop of London (''EEA'' xv, 140), of which he later gave the church to Lessness abbey (Mon. Ang. vi, p.457).
So his wife was named Alice, and she was presumably the mother of Roger's legitimate son William. Concerning Roger's son Gilbert, he is sometimes thought to be illegitimate, although this is apparently only because he was not heir, as discussed by John M. Watson.http://johnmwatson.blogspot.be/2017/04/roger-fitz-reinfrid-his-family-and.html
Wikipedia mentions that: :"Another relative was John of Coutances, who was either the brother of Walter and Roger, or their nephew. John went on to become Bishop of Worcester from 1196 to 1198. Possibly another brother of Roger's was Odo of Coutances, a canon at Rouen Cathedral."These words come from Turner, Ralph V. (2008). The English Judiciary in the age of Glanvill and Bracton
The article for Walter de Coutances, [[Wikipedia:Walter de Coutances]] confirms this relationship, and notes that: :"Coutances was born in Cornwall, to Reinfrid and Gonilla. His brother was Roger fitzReinfrid, a layman and royal justice during the reign of King Henry II of England."
However as John M Watson writes::Most sources state that they were from Cornwall, based on a statement of Gerald of Wales that Walter de Coutances was born in Cornwall, of a noble British house, a descendant of Corineus, the fabulous Trojan immigrant. [1] However, Gallia Christiana contains an account that Walter stated at the Council of Rouen (1191?) that he was born at “Pommerayus” in Normandy (probably Saint-Sauveur-la-Pommeraye in Bas Normandie, about 10 miles south of Coutances) of a Breton family, the son of Reinfrid and his wife Gonilla. [2] This seems a more likely origin for the family than that given by Gerald of Wales.
=== Disputed Wife ===
John M Watson explains the history of confusions about Roger's wife::Dugdale [14] says that Roger fitz Reinfrid married Rohese, daughter of William de Roumare and widow of Gilbert de Gant who died in 1256, [15] based solely on the fact that Roger fitz Reinfrid confirmed Gilbert de Gant’s gift of land in Menthorpe, Lincolnshire to Vaudey Abbey. [16] Dugdale was wrong in every respect, since Rohese was the daughter of Gilbert fitz Richard de Clare and after the death of Gilbert de Gant she married Robert fitz Robert fitz Fulk, the ‘sewer’ of William de Percy. [17] As shown above, Roger fitz Reinfrid was a tenant of Gant land in Menthorpe and it was probably in this capacity that he confirmed the land to Vaudey.
:[...]:The identity of Robert fitz Reinfrid’s wife Alice is revealed in a case in the Curia Regis in 1211, concerning land in Ramsden, Essex, between Richard de Clare and his wife Alina, widow of Reinfrid fitz Roger fitz Reinfrid and Richard de Bellhus.
==Sources==
=== Acknowledgements ===
*Acrossthepond.ged on 21 February 2011.
* Rodney Timbrook Ancestors and Relatives_2010-09-10.ged on 10 September 2010.
* Stout - Trask - Cowan .ged 19 April 2011.
* Holmes.ged on 20 May 2011
* This person has his own Wikipedia article: [[Wikipedia:Roger fitzReinfrid]].
It cites Keats-Rohan, who wrote:Domesday Descendants p.942. Keats-Rohan also cites Gervers (ed.) Cartulary of Knights St John II, and also the Pipe Rolls for the 7th and 8th years of Henry II. ''EEA'' stands for ''English Episcopal Acta''.
:'''Filius Rainfridi, Roger''':Brother of Walter de Coutances, archbishop of Rouen. Member of Richard de Lucy's household from c.1168-78. Royal justice. Granted land in the parish of St Peter 'de Bradestrete', next the land of the Hospitallers, in perpetual alms to Launceston priory, for the souls of himself and his wife Alice, in exchange for the moiety of the mill of Goodmansleigh (''Cart. Launceston'', 247-50). He was enfeoffed with half a fee at Ramsden Bellhouse by Gilbert Foliot, bishop of London (''EEA'' xv, 140), of which he later gave the church to Lessness abbey (Mon. Ang. vi, p.457).
So his wife was named Alice, and she was presumably the mother of Roger's legitimate son William. Concerning Roger's son Gilbert, he is sometimes thought to be illegitimate, although this is apparently only because he was not heir, as discussed by John M. Watson.http://johnmwatson.blogspot.be/2017/04/roger-fitz-reinfrid-his-family-and.html
Wikipedia mentions that: :"Another relative was John of Coutances, who was either the brother of Walter and Roger, or their nephew. John went on to become Bishop of Worcester from 1196 to 1198. Possibly another brother of Roger's was Odo of Coutances, a canon at Rouen Cathedral."These words come from Turner, Ralph V. (2008). The English Judiciary in the age of Glanvill and Bracton
The article for Walter de Coutances, [[Wikipedia:Walter de Coutances]] confirms this relationship, and notes that: :"Coutances was born in Cornwall, to Reinfrid and Gonilla. His brother was Roger fitzReinfrid, a layman and royal justice during the reign of King Henry II of England."
However as John M Watson writes::Most sources state that they were from Cornwall, based on a statement of Gerald of Wales that Walter de Coutances was born in Cornwall, of a noble British house, a descendant of Corineus, the fabulous Trojan immigrant. [1] However, Gallia Christiana contains an account that Walter stated at the Council of Rouen (1191?) that he was born at “Pommerayus” in Normandy (probably Saint-Sauveur-la-Pommeraye in Bas Normandie, about 10 miles south of Coutances) of a Breton family, the son of Reinfrid and his wife Gonilla. [2] This seems a more likely origin for the family than that given by Gerald of Wales.
=== Disputed Wife ===
John M Watson explains the history of confusions about Roger's wife::Dugdale [14] says that Roger fitz Reinfrid married Rohese, daughter of William de Roumare and widow of Gilbert de Gant who died in 1256, [15] based solely on the fact that Roger fitz Reinfrid confirmed Gilbert de Gant’s gift of land in Menthorpe, Lincolnshire to Vaudey Abbey. [16] Dugdale was wrong in every respect, since Rohese was the daughter of Gilbert fitz Richard de Clare and after the death of Gilbert de Gant she married Robert fitz Robert fitz Fulk, the ‘sewer’ of William de Percy. [17] As shown above, Roger fitz Reinfrid was a tenant of Gant land in Menthorpe and it was probably in this capacity that he confirmed the land to Vaudey.
:[...]:The identity of Robert fitz Reinfrid’s wife Alice is revealed in a case in the Curia Regis in 1211, concerning land in Ramsden, Essex, between Richard de Clare and his wife Alina, widow of Reinfrid fitz Roger fitz Reinfrid and Richard de Bellhus.
==Sources==
=== Acknowledgements ===
*Acrossthepond.ged on 21 February 2011.
* Rodney Timbrook Ancestors and Relatives_2010-09-10.ged on 10 September 2010.
* Stout - Trask - Cowan .ged 19 April 2011.
* Holmes.ged on 20 May 2011
Events
| Birth | 1114 | England | |||
| Death | 1197 | England | |||
| Marriage | Hawise "Rohaise" Romare | ||||
| Reference No | 13937524 | ||||
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| Reference No | 60 |
Families
| Spouse | Hawise "Rohaise" Romare (1130 - 1188) |
| Child | Gilbert "Lord of Kendal" FitzReinfrid (1157 - 1220) |
| Father | Living |