Individual Details
Marared ferch Madog
(Abt 1129 - Abt 1201)
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[[Category: Cymru 742-1535 Project]]
== Biography ==
Marared[http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/WALES.htm#MararedMIorwerthDrwyndwyn Marared m Iorwerth Drwyndwyn], Foundation for Medieval Genealogy database compiled by Charles Cawley (accessed Dec. 20, 2016). ferch Madog was born about 1130. She was called Margred, Marared, Marget, Marred, Marret, and Marvred in various records.
She was the daughter of [[ap_Maredudd-21|Madog ap Maredudd]], the Brenin of Powys. The place of her birth is not known, but she was of Montgomeryshire. The identity of her mother is not certain. It was probably Susanna ferch Gruffudd ap Cynan, although according to the FamilySearch Welsh Medieval Database, Bartrum does not list a name for her.FamilySearch Welsh Medieval Database, [https://histfam.familysearch.org//getperson.php?personID=I2699&tree=Welsh FS Welsh] ''note - FamilySearch reorganized its records and the link no longer works; as of June 23, 2017, the following FS biographies were found that pertain:''* [https://familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/4522675 Madog ap Maredudd] (her father)* [https://familysearch.org/patron/v2/TH-904-49774-984-95/dist.txt?ctx=ArtCtxPublic Prince of Wales] (her son)* [https://familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/10665576 Owain ap Gruffudd] (father of her husband, Iorwerth Drwyndwn [son of Owain's first wife, Gwladus ferch Llywarch ap Trahaearn]) Lloyd gives Susanna as her mother} Vol. 1, Pages 119ff as does Dwinn.}, Vol. 2, Page 54
Margred married [[Gwynedd-30|Iorwerth]] "Drwyndwn" ab Owain "Gwynedd" about 1163. They had two children:* Llywelyn "Mawr" ap Iorwerth "Drwyndwn", Prince of Aberffraw, Lord of Snowdon, [[Ap_Iorwerth-26|"Llywelyn the Great"]], b. ca. 1173
* Adda ap Iorwerth "Drwyndwn", b. ca. 1170
The date of Margred's death is not known, although some merged profiles, citing online trees, showed that she died 1196/1198.
== Corbet Connection ==: Historians at one point speculated that the mother of Llewelyn the Great was a Corbet.
: Stewart Baldwin, in his [http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~medieval/llywelyn.htm table of Llewelyn's ancestry], discusses this speculation:
:: "Llywelyn refers to a certain Walter Corbet as ''frater Willielmi Corbet avunculi mei'' [leading to the suggestion] that Llywelyn's mother was a Corbet. . . . However, as the source of JC.29 [for Margred ferch Madog] appears to have been written during Llywelyn's lifetime, and there are others ways in which an uncle-nephew relationship between William Corbet (an obscure individual) and Llywelyn could be explained, there seems to be no good reason to reject the statement of JC.29 regarding the identity of Llywelyn's mother."Stewart Baldwin's [http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~medieval/llywelyn.htm table of Llywelyn's ancestry].* JC: Jesus College (Oxford) MS. 20, in EWGT, pp. 41-50. The manuscript itself is from the fourteenth century, but since the latest individuals mentioned in the manuscript are Llywelyn ap Iorwerth and some of his contemporaries, its source appears to date from the early thirteenth century (or perhaps a bit earlier - see the sources cited in EWGT, p. 41).* EWGT: Early Welsh Genealogical Tracts, edited by P. C. Bartrum (University of Wales Press, Cardiff, 1966).
: One of those other ways is that Margred married a Corbet who raised Llewelyn, as suggested by Sharon Kaye Penman. In her novel, ''Here Be Dragons,'' she has Llewelyn raised by a Corbet stepfather, with the following explanation in her author's note:
:: "Historians have long been cognizant of his kinship to the Corbet family; he often stayed his hand, spared Corbet lands, and a letter of his addresses William Corbet as 'uncle'. In researching the Corbet family, I was able to eliminate Robert Corbet without difficulty. His brother William was the 'uncle' of Llewelyn's letter. Walter Corbet was a monk. By the process of elimination, Hugh Corbet had to be Marared's second husband, Llewelyn's stepfather."[http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/1999-10/0939744900 Gen-Medieval 1999 Rootsweb post], AJones
: ''Note'' - the Rootsweb post correctly quotes the author's note that calls her (incorrectly) "Marared ferch Meredydd", but when introduced in the novel (page 7), she is "Marared, daughter of Prince Madog ap Meredydd."see also Stewart Baldwin's [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/1999-10/0939705519 Gen-Medieval 1999 Rootsweb post] in the same thread.
: Sir Arthur E. Turner-Thomas, whose [http://celticroyalgenealogy.co.uk/ Celtic Royal Genealogy] is posted online in Rootsweb, includes the following on the [http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=aet-t&id=I4164 entry for Llywelyn Fawr]:
:: "He [Iorwerth ab Owain] married Marared ferch Madog ap Maredudd of Powys. and it is possible their son Llywelyn was brought up largely outside Gwyncdd (which in the 1180s may not have been a safe environment for a child with a claim to a share of land and power). Charter evidence suggests that Marared remarried into a Shropshire Marcher family, the Corbels [sic] of Caux. The Corbet lands abutted on Powys, and a Corbet might have seemed a suitable husband for a widowed Powysian princess. If Marared did marry into the Corbets, then Llywelyn may have received part of his upbringing and education in the March. Throughout his life. Llywelyn would show himself adept both at dealing with the Marcher lords, and with negotiating the complex world of English court politics. This could well be a by-product of an education in the mixed Anglo-Welsh world of the March.'"source one of the following (the first followed the entry; the second preceded it), probably the first one: * Kari Maund, The Welsh Kings, The Medieval Rulers of Cymru, Tempus, Stroud, 2002* Davies J, 1990, A History of Cymru, Penguin, London, ISBN 0-14-014581-8
== Sources ==
:See also:* [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project] (digitization of "Welsh Genealogies AD 300- 1500" by Peter C. Bartrum)**[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5445/Gruffudd%20ap%20Cynan%203.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Gruffudd ap Cynan 3], Owain Gwenydd** [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5112/gruffudd%20ap%20cynan%204.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Gruffudd ap Cynan 4], Iorwerth Drwyndwn** [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5120/bleddyn%20ap%20cynfyn%203.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Bleddyn ap Cynfyn 3], Madog ap Maredudd* }, Pages 14, 15, 290 and 296.* Becky's Genealogy Family Tree, [http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ttg13&id=I39787 Rootsweb], entry for Iorwerth Drwyndwn
}:For the [http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project:Cymru_Welsh_Royals_and_Aristocrats_742-1535 Cymru project], see the Medieval Lands [http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/WALES.htm section on Wales]. }
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[[Category: Cymru 742-1535 Project]]
== Biography ==
Marared[http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/WALES.htm#MararedMIorwerthDrwyndwyn Marared m Iorwerth Drwyndwyn], Foundation for Medieval Genealogy database compiled by Charles Cawley (accessed Dec. 20, 2016). ferch Madog was born about 1130. She was called Margred, Marared, Marget, Marred, Marret, and Marvred in various records.
She was the daughter of [[ap_Maredudd-21|Madog ap Maredudd]], the Brenin of Powys. The place of her birth is not known, but she was of Montgomeryshire. The identity of her mother is not certain. It was probably Susanna ferch Gruffudd ap Cynan, although according to the FamilySearch Welsh Medieval Database, Bartrum does not list a name for her.FamilySearch Welsh Medieval Database, [https://histfam.familysearch.org//getperson.php?personID=I2699&tree=Welsh FS Welsh] ''note - FamilySearch reorganized its records and the link no longer works; as of June 23, 2017, the following FS biographies were found that pertain:''* [https://familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/4522675 Madog ap Maredudd] (her father)* [https://familysearch.org/patron/v2/TH-904-49774-984-95/dist.txt?ctx=ArtCtxPublic Prince of Wales] (her son)* [https://familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/10665576 Owain ap Gruffudd] (father of her husband, Iorwerth Drwyndwn [son of Owain's first wife, Gwladus ferch Llywarch ap Trahaearn]) Lloyd gives Susanna as her mother} Vol. 1, Pages 119ff as does Dwinn.}, Vol. 2, Page 54
Margred married [[Gwynedd-30|Iorwerth]] "Drwyndwn" ab Owain "Gwynedd" about 1163. They had two children:* Llywelyn "Mawr" ap Iorwerth "Drwyndwn", Prince of Aberffraw, Lord of Snowdon, [[Ap_Iorwerth-26|"Llywelyn the Great"]], b. ca. 1173
* Adda ap Iorwerth "Drwyndwn", b. ca. 1170
The date of Margred's death is not known, although some merged profiles, citing online trees, showed that she died 1196/1198.
== Corbet Connection ==: Historians at one point speculated that the mother of Llewelyn the Great was a Corbet.
: Stewart Baldwin, in his [http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~medieval/llywelyn.htm table of Llewelyn's ancestry], discusses this speculation:
:: "Llywelyn refers to a certain Walter Corbet as ''frater Willielmi Corbet avunculi mei'' [leading to the suggestion] that Llywelyn's mother was a Corbet. . . . However, as the source of JC.29 [for Margred ferch Madog] appears to have been written during Llywelyn's lifetime, and there are others ways in which an uncle-nephew relationship between William Corbet (an obscure individual) and Llywelyn could be explained, there seems to be no good reason to reject the statement of JC.29 regarding the identity of Llywelyn's mother."Stewart Baldwin's [http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~medieval/llywelyn.htm table of Llywelyn's ancestry].* JC: Jesus College (Oxford) MS. 20, in EWGT, pp. 41-50. The manuscript itself is from the fourteenth century, but since the latest individuals mentioned in the manuscript are Llywelyn ap Iorwerth and some of his contemporaries, its source appears to date from the early thirteenth century (or perhaps a bit earlier - see the sources cited in EWGT, p. 41).* EWGT: Early Welsh Genealogical Tracts, edited by P. C. Bartrum (University of Wales Press, Cardiff, 1966).
: One of those other ways is that Margred married a Corbet who raised Llewelyn, as suggested by Sharon Kaye Penman. In her novel, ''Here Be Dragons,'' she has Llewelyn raised by a Corbet stepfather, with the following explanation in her author's note:
:: "Historians have long been cognizant of his kinship to the Corbet family; he often stayed his hand, spared Corbet lands, and a letter of his addresses William Corbet as 'uncle'. In researching the Corbet family, I was able to eliminate Robert Corbet without difficulty. His brother William was the 'uncle' of Llewelyn's letter. Walter Corbet was a monk. By the process of elimination, Hugh Corbet had to be Marared's second husband, Llewelyn's stepfather."[http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/1999-10/0939744900 Gen-Medieval 1999 Rootsweb post], AJones
: ''Note'' - the Rootsweb post correctly quotes the author's note that calls her (incorrectly) "Marared ferch Meredydd", but when introduced in the novel (page 7), she is "Marared, daughter of Prince Madog ap Meredydd."see also Stewart Baldwin's [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/1999-10/0939705519 Gen-Medieval 1999 Rootsweb post] in the same thread.
: Sir Arthur E. Turner-Thomas, whose [http://celticroyalgenealogy.co.uk/ Celtic Royal Genealogy] is posted online in Rootsweb, includes the following on the [http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=aet-t&id=I4164 entry for Llywelyn Fawr]:
:: "He [Iorwerth ab Owain] married Marared ferch Madog ap Maredudd of Powys. and it is possible their son Llywelyn was brought up largely outside Gwyncdd (which in the 1180s may not have been a safe environment for a child with a claim to a share of land and power). Charter evidence suggests that Marared remarried into a Shropshire Marcher family, the Corbels [sic] of Caux. The Corbet lands abutted on Powys, and a Corbet might have seemed a suitable husband for a widowed Powysian princess. If Marared did marry into the Corbets, then Llywelyn may have received part of his upbringing and education in the March. Throughout his life. Llywelyn would show himself adept both at dealing with the Marcher lords, and with negotiating the complex world of English court politics. This could well be a by-product of an education in the mixed Anglo-Welsh world of the March.'"source one of the following (the first followed the entry; the second preceded it), probably the first one: * Kari Maund, The Welsh Kings, The Medieval Rulers of Cymru, Tempus, Stroud, 2002* Davies J, 1990, A History of Cymru, Penguin, London, ISBN 0-14-014581-8
== Sources ==
:See also:* [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/handle/2160/4026 The Bartrum Project] (digitization of "Welsh Genealogies AD 300- 1500" by Peter C. Bartrum)**[http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5445/Gruffudd%20ap%20Cynan%203.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Gruffudd ap Cynan 3], Owain Gwenydd** [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5112/gruffudd%20ap%20cynan%204.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Gruffudd ap Cynan 4], Iorwerth Drwyndwn** [http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5120/bleddyn%20ap%20cynfyn%203.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y Bleddyn ap Cynfyn 3], Madog ap Maredudd* }, Pages 14, 15, 290 and 296.* Becky's Genealogy Family Tree, [http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ttg13&id=I39787 Rootsweb], entry for Iorwerth Drwyndwn
}:For the [http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project:Cymru_Welsh_Royals_and_Aristocrats_742-1535 Cymru project], see the Medieval Lands [http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/WALES.htm section on Wales]. }
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Events
| Birth | Abt 1129 | Powys, Wales | |||
| Marriage | 1163 | Aberffraw Castle, Ynys Mon, Gwynedd, Wales - Iorweth "Drwyndwn" Gwynedd | |||
| Death | Abt 1201 | Kingdom of Gwynedd | |||
| Alt name | verch Madoc of Powys, of Gwynedd | ||||
| Reference No | 1225476 | ||||
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| Reference No | 60 |
Families
| Spouse | Iorweth "Drwyndwn" Gwynedd (1145 - 1174) |
| Child | Llywelyn "Llywelyn Fawr, Llywelyn the Great" ap Iorwerth (1173 - 1240) |
| Father | Madog ap Maredudd (1091 - 1160) |
| Mother | Susanna ferch Gruffudd (1090 - 1165) |
| Sibling | Griffith "Prince of Powys Fadog" Madog Maelor I (1121 - 1191) |
| Sibling | Llewelyn Madog (1123 - 1160) |
| Sibling | Elise Madog (1127 - ) |
| Sibling | Gwenllian "of Powys" Madog (1131 - 1211) |
| Sibling | Efa ferch Madog (1133 - ) |
| Sibling | Unknown Madog (1137 - 1198) |
| Sibling | Griffith Maelor ap Madoc (1186 - ) |