Individual Details

Elizabeth De Granche NICOLLE

(8 May 1789 - 28 Feb 1877)

Note 1.
Judging from the birth places of their children, Elizabeth NICOLLE and her husband, George OTTO lived at various times in Jersey
Island, Spain, Antwerp, Belgium, then moving to London (UK) in 1817
where they remained until about 1833, when they emigrated to Sydney
(Australia). She left Australia shortly after her husband's death,
arriving in New Zealand 14 August 1838 on board "Diana". She landed at
Kororareka, Bay of Islands, Northland, New Zealand.

Note 2
The origins of Elizabeth NICOLLE (Otto-Rampling) have never been
clear. her death certificate states her maiden name as NICOLAI.
NICOLAI may have been how NICOLLE sounded in a French or German
accent: ie how Elizabeth pronounced it (Elizabeth may have been
illiterate, she signed her will with an X, although she was very old
at the time) or how it was pronounced by the person who said the name
to the doctor who completed the certificate.
Family tradition says her family name was NICOLAI de GRANCHE. That
would be logical if we allow that memory has corrupted the words.
NICOLLE was a very common name and a description would be required, as
in NICOLLE du (of the) GRANGE (farm, literally means barn). That said,
it is not clear why Elizabeth and her siblings have their births
registered in St Saviour when it is presumed that the family lived at
their father's family farm at le Grange, Grouville. Perhaps St Saviour
was more convenient, or Jeanne returned to her mother's home for her
confinements.
And contrary to family tradition, Elizabeth's father was not a Count -
there are no titles in the family.
The resourceful relative who uncovered Elizabeth's parents had little
to go on. Elizabeth NICOLLE is a very common name in Jersey. To date
(May 2008) no civil or military record of Elizabeth's marriage has
been found. It was hoped that a marriage certificate would name her
parents because nothing else has.
However there was one clue: the Alexander Turnball Library in
Wellington has the journal of a Jean de CARTERET of Jersey who was in
New Zealand in 1859. De CARTERET commented on many Jersey-ex-patriots
he met, including:.........

Note 3
Other researchers have concluded a different family tree for
Elizabeth.
It has her born 8 May 1789 in La Hougue Bie, St Saviour, Jersey,
Channel Islands. She was christened on 24 May 1789 at St Saviour.
(They query if born in 1789)
Her parents are said to be Clement NICOLLE and Jeanne HUBERT. They
were married on 22 November 1773 in Grouville.
Clement was born in the west of Grouville where his family had a farm
called le Grange (the barn). His parents were Elie NICOLLE, born about
1679 in Grouville, and Elizabeth AUBIN, christened on 11 March
1704/05. They were married on 15 January 1727/28 in Grouville.
Jeanne HUBERT came from a more prosperous farming family who lived
close by at la Hougue Bie in the east of the Parish of St Saviour.
Clement and Jeanne's known children were:
Jeanne - born 26 June 1774 at St Saviour.
Phillipe - born 29 May 1778 at St Saviour
Marie - born 16 September 1781 at St Saviour
Jean - born 21 November 1784 at St Saviour
Elizabeth - born 8 May 1789 in la Hougue Bie, St Saviour.

Note 4
Various family traditions record the obtaining of souvenirs from
Waterloo immediately after the war. Among the souvenirs were a glass
salt cellar, a vinegar bottle, and a bed quilt.

The quilt was donated to the Auckland War Memorial Museum by the
Blakey family (Elizabeth Otto (nee Nicolle)>Susanna Gimbel (nee
Otto>Laura Blakey (nee Gimbel) etc). Another family member had it
assessed by Clare Brown of the Victoria and Albert Museum, who
responded:
"The pattern is a variation on one known since the 18th century. Its
earliest dated appearance is on flock wallpaper known to have been
hung in 1735 in the offices of the Privy Council in London, and the
design, with variations relating to the size of the pattern repeat and
small decorative details, was woven as a damask through the rest of
the 18th century and in the 19th. The width you give for your pieces
of 21 inches is consistent with having been woven on a draw loom, but
does not preclude it being jacquard woven. It would be very difficult
to try to give a precise date and likely country of origin to the
silk."

Whatever the true origins of the quilt, the family has its own many
and varied accounts of how George and Elizabeth acquired it.

Oral tradition from Philip Hanncken (grandson)
"The morning after the battle Elizabeth Otto joined the usual hordes
of locals who swarmed over the battlefield taking whatever they could
carry. From the farmhouse commandeered by Napoleon for his own use,
Elizabeth took the quilt from Napoleon's bed and a glass salt-cellar
and a small glass vinegar bottle from his table."

From a letter from Claudia Stebbing (Philip Hanncken"s daughter,
1881-1970) to A.R, 8 October 1881.
"The Battle of Waterloo had been won and everyone was doing their best
to get safely away. Our grandmother (Elizabeth Otto) pulled the quilt
off the bed that Napoleon had used, wrapped it round her baby one day
old, climbed up on the horse with her baby in her arms and rode safely
away. A Miss Dolly Miller had the quilt for many years, but I never
met her or heard what became of it after she died. She was quite
elderly and I was only a little girl."

From a family history written by an Otto descendant, date unknown.
"George Otto collected many souvenirs on the Peninsular Campaign
including a quilt which had been used by Napoleon at
Waterloo...Napoleon at the time used to travel about in a coach and
after Waterloo this coach was captured by the British Forces. In the
coach was the quilt which George Otto took possession of. George Otto
had previously said to his wife "I am going out to see if I can get
something", and Elizabeth replied. "Get something useful and nothing
to drink."'

A family member also has a china figurine of Napoleon, said to have
been owned by George Otto. The story goes that George Otto, like many
Europeans and despite on being on the other side in the war, greatly
admired Napoleon.

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Note 1.
Judging from the birth places of their children, Elizabeth NICOLLE and her husband, George OTTO lived at various times in Jersey
Island, Spain, Antwerp, Belgium, then moving to London (UK) in 1817
where they remained until about 1833, when they emigrated to Sydney
(Australia). She left Australia shortly after her husband's death,
arriving in New Zealand 14 August 1838 on board "Diana". She landed at
Kororareka, Bay of Islands, Northland, New Zealand.

Note 2
The origins of Elizabeth NICOLLE (Otto-Rampling) have never been
clear. her death certificate states her maiden name as NICOLAI.
NICOLAI may have been how NICOLLE sounded in a French or German
accent: ie how Elizabeth pronounced it (Elizabeth may have been
illiterate, she signed her will with an X, although she was very old
at the time) or how it was pronounced by the person who said the name
to the doctor who completed the certificate.
Family tradition says her family name was NICOLAI de GRANCHE. That
would be logical if we allow that memory has corrupted the words.
NICOLLE was a very common name and a description would be required, as
in NICOLLE du (of the) GRANGE (farm, literally means barn). That said,
it is not clear why Elizabeth and her siblings have their births
registered in St Saviour when it is presumed that the family lived at
their father's family farm at le Grange, Grouville. Perhaps St Saviour
was more convenient, or Jeanne returned to her mother's home for her
confinements.
And contrary to family tradition, Elizabeth's father was not a Count -
there are no titles in the family.
The resourceful relative who uncovered Elizabeth's parents had little
to go on. Elizabeth NICOLLE is a very common name in Jersey. To date
(May 2008) no civil or military record of Elizabeth's marriage has
been found. It was hoped that a marriage certificate would name her
parents because nothing else has.
However there was one clue: the Alexander Turnball Library in
Wellington has the journal of a Jean de CARTERET of Jersey who was in
New Zealand in 1859. De CARTERET commented on many Jersey-ex-patriots
he met, including:.........

Note 3
Other researchers have concluded a different family tree for
Elizabeth.
It has her born 8 May 1789 in La Hougue Bie, St Saviour, Jersey,
Channel Islands. She was christened on 24 May 1789 at St Saviour.
(They query if born in 1789)
Her parents are said to be Clement NICOLLE and Jeanne HUBERT. They
were married on 22 November 1773 in Grouville.
Clement was born in the west of Grouville where his family had a farm
called le Grange (the barn). His parents were Elie NICOLLE, born about
1679 in Grouville, and Elizabeth AUBIN, christened on 11 March
1704/05. They were married on 15 January 1727/28 in Grouville.
Jeanne HUBERT came from a more prosperous farming family who lived
close by at la Hougue Bie in the east of the Parish of St Saviour.
Clement and Jeanne's known children were:
Jeanne - born 26 June 1774 at St Saviour.
Phillipe - born 29 May 1778 at St Saviour
Marie - born 16 September 1781 at St Saviour
Jean - born 21 November 1784 at St Saviour
Elizabeth - born 8 May 1789 in la Hougue Bie, St Saviour.

Note 4
Various family traditions record the obtaining of souvenirs from
Waterloo immediately after the war. Among the souvenirs were a glass
salt cellar, a vinegar bottle, and a bed quilt.

The quilt was donated to the Auckland War Memorial Museum by the
Blakey family (Elizabeth Otto (nee Nicolle)>Susanna Gimbel (nee
Otto>Laura Blakey (nee Gimbel) etc). Another family member had it
assessed by Clare Brown of the Victoria and Albert Museum, who
responded:
"The pattern is a variation on one known since the 18th century. Its
earliest dated appearance is on flock wallpaper known to have been
hung in 1735 in the offices of the Privy Council in London, and the
design, with variations relating to the size of the pattern repeat and
small decorative details, was woven as a damask through the rest of
the 18th century and in the 19th. The width you give for your pieces
of 21 inches is consistent with having been woven on a draw loom, but
does not preclude it being jacquard woven. It would be very difficult
to try to give a precise date and likely country of origin to the
silk."

Whatever the true origins of the quilt, the family has its own many
and varied accounts of how George and Elizabeth acquired it.

Oral tradition from Philip Hanncken (grandson)
"The morning after the battle Elizabeth Otto joined the usual hordes
of locals who swarmed over the battlefield taking whatever they could
carry. From the farmhouse commandeered by Napoleon for his own use,
Elizabeth took the quilt from Napoleon's bed and a glass salt-cellar
and a small glass vinegar bottle from his table."

From a letter from Claudia Stebbing (Philip Hanncken"s daughter,
1881-1970) to A.R, 8 October 1881.
"The Battle of Waterloo had been won and everyone was doing their best
to get safely away. Our grandmother (Elizabeth Otto) pulled the quilt
off the bed that Napoleon had used, wrapped it round her baby one day
old, climbed up on the horse with her baby in her arms and rode safely
away. A Miss Dolly Miller had the quilt for many years, but I never
met her or heard what became of it after she died. She was quite
elderly and I was only a little girl."

From a family history written by an Otto descendant, date unknown.
"George Otto collected many souvenirs on the Peninsular Campaign
including a quilt which had been used by Napoleon at
Waterloo...Napoleon at the time used to travel about in a coach and
after Waterloo this coach was captured by the British Forces. In the
coach was the quilt which George Otto took possession of. George Otto
had previously said to his wife "I am going out to see if I can get
something", and Elizabeth replied. "Get something useful and nothing
to drink."'

A family member also has a china figurine of Napoleon, said to have
been owned by George Otto. The story goes that George Otto, like many
Europeans and despite on being on the other side in the war, greatly
admired Napoleon.

Events

Birth8 May 1789La Hougue Bie, St Saviour, Jersey, Channel Islands
Christen24 May 1789St Saviour, Jersey, Channel Islands
OccupationBet 1810 and 1816Nurse - Spain
Marriage1810Jersey, Channel Islands - George Henry Blackfield OTTO
ReligionFrom 1816 to 1833Church of England - Stepney, East London, Middlesex, England
Residence181614 Zirk Street, Antwerp, Antwerpen, Flanders, Belgium
EmigrationAbt Jun 1816Antwerp to London, England
ResidenceAbt Sep 1816Stepney, East London, Middlesex, England
Emigration1833London, England to Sydney, Australia
Marriage21 Nov 1836Sydney, New South Wales, Australia - James RAMPLING
Emigration14 Aug 1838Sydney, Australia to Bay of Islands, New Zealand
Death28 Feb 1877Union Street, Auckland City Central, Auckland, New Zealand
Burial2 Mar 1877Symonds Street Cemetey, Auckland City Central, Auckland, New Zealand
ResidenceVarious places

Families

SpouseGeorge Henry Blackfield OTTO (1785 - 1836)
ChildEliza Jane OTTO (1819 - 1880)
ChildGeorge (2) OTTO (1811 - 1812)
ChildSusanna OTTO (1813 - 1892)
ChildAndrew OTTO (1815 - 1818)
ChildJohn (2) OTTO (1816 - )
ChildMary Ann Isobel OTTO (1817 - )
ChildEmma OTTO (1822 - 1908)
ChildElizabeth OTTO (1824 - 1828)
ChildGeorge (3) OTTO (1826 - 1828)
ChildPhilip OTTO (1828 - 1892)
ChildAndrew (2) OTTO (1834 - 1896)
SpouseJames RAMPLING (1775 - 1850)
FatherClement (4) De La P NICOLLE (1748 - 1789)
MotherJeanne HUBERT (1750 - 1804)
SiblingJeanne (2) NICOLLE (1774 - 1849)
SiblingPhillipe NICOLLE (1778 - )
SiblingMarie (2) (m) NICOLLE (1781 - )
SiblingJean (f) NICOLLE (1784 - )

Notes