Individual Details
John Grey
(Ca 1432 - 17 Feb 1461)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Grey_of_Groby
Sir John Grey, of Groby, Leicestershire (c. 1432[1] – 17 February 1461) was a Lancastrian knight, the first husband of Elizabeth Woodville who later married King Edward IV of England, and great-great-grandfather of Lady Jane Grey.
Grey was the son and heir of Elizabeth Ferrers, 6th Baroness Ferrers of Groby (1419–1483) and of Sir Edward Grey (c. 1415–1457), a son of Reginald Grey, 3rd Baron Grey de Ruthyn.[1][2] His father was summoned to parliament as Baron Ferrers of Groby in right of his wife.[1][3] After the death of Grey's father his stepfather, John Bourchier, assumed his wife's title, Baron Ferrers of Groby.[1]
As Grey would predecease his mother, Lady Ferrers, the title of Baron Ferrers of Groby would pass to his eldest son and heir, Thomas.[1] Grey was never summoned to Parliament. Another title, Baron Grey of Groby was created 21 July 1603 for his direct descendant, Henry Grey (c.1547–1614).
About 1454, Sir John Grey married Elizabeth Woodville, the eldest daughter of Richard Woodville, and Jacquetta of Luxembourg.[1] They had two sons, Thomas, later Marquess of Dorset, born in 1455, and Richard, born in 1457. Richard was aged about 26 when executed on the orders of Richard III in June 1483.[2]
In 1491, his widow, by then Queen Dowager, became the co-heiress of her brother, Richard Woodville, 3rd Earl Rivers. She died a year later. [1][3]
Sir John Grey was killed in the Second Battle of St Albans in 1461, fighting for the Lancastrian cause.[1] His widow, Dame Elizabeth Grey, later secretly married Edward IV who was the successful Yorkist claimant to the throne.[1][2]
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See Time Team- House of the White Queen, Season 18, Episode 11 (2011).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9_gYlBS3oM
1:25 He calls Groby an 18th century farm house, 15th century brick manor
12:35 Historian says that when Hugh de Grandmesnil was "excavated" he was 5 foot 8 inches.
[Hugh had been buried in France according to Wikipedia at: "Abbey of St. Evroult, and buried by the Abbot Roger on the south side of the Chapter House, near the tomb of Abbot Mainer."]
15:40 Looking for the "Great Hall" within the bailey
21:10 Points at existing 15th century brick tower
22:20 "High status" "posh roof" (slae);
22:55 Demolition of building ws 1480-1500.
23:50 Radar shows a series of buildings
24:50 Found medieval floor tiles consistent with a Great Hall.
25:45 Review of dowrey documents: Text mentions Margaret, wife of William De Ferrers, Knight, made 4 June 45 Edward III (i.e. 1327+45 = 1372). Must be William Ferrers (1332-1372; 3rd Baron of Groby) and wife Margaret d'Ufford (1333-1368?)
26:10 Ferrers pronounced Ferres
27:10 Says the dowery document is dated 1371
28:00 2 story high status building
28:00 Pottery find first half of 15th century; massive building complex
30:45 Big house, grander and more massive than anything they had imagined
31:30 Found the Great Hall. Auriel, bay window between wings.
32:30 Buttresses found indicating high status
32:20 "Palatial" residence
34:20 Mother-in-law, Elizabeth Ferrers Grey won't pay dower to Elizabeth Grey Woodville after her husband dies. [Wrong: Edward died in 1461 at the 2nd Battle of St. Albans. He was on the wrong side. I.e fought with Lancastrian Henry VI who lost. Edward IV won and forfeited Edward's rights which included Elizabeth Woodville's dower. She then went to live with her parents. Confronted Edward IV who thought she was beautiful and secretly married her.]
39:20 Really high end building
41:30 Pottery from old castle dates to 13th century -- suggesting that was the time of demolition before building the big house
42:40 Chapel was probably pretty spectacular
43:50 described as "realy posh, aristocratic manor house" "like a palace" "Greys [Ferrers] are doing really well"
45:00 Most buildings appear to have come into use early 1300's. Attributes building of "manor" to William de Ferrers (1272-1325), 1st Lord Ferrers.
46:00 Postulates that Thomas Grey built the new tower late 1400's and demolished old manor
46:30 built a quadrangle; stunning medieval home including Great Hall
Sir John Grey, of Groby, Leicestershire (c. 1432[1] – 17 February 1461) was a Lancastrian knight, the first husband of Elizabeth Woodville who later married King Edward IV of England, and great-great-grandfather of Lady Jane Grey.
Grey was the son and heir of Elizabeth Ferrers, 6th Baroness Ferrers of Groby (1419–1483) and of Sir Edward Grey (c. 1415–1457), a son of Reginald Grey, 3rd Baron Grey de Ruthyn.[1][2] His father was summoned to parliament as Baron Ferrers of Groby in right of his wife.[1][3] After the death of Grey's father his stepfather, John Bourchier, assumed his wife's title, Baron Ferrers of Groby.[1]
As Grey would predecease his mother, Lady Ferrers, the title of Baron Ferrers of Groby would pass to his eldest son and heir, Thomas.[1] Grey was never summoned to Parliament. Another title, Baron Grey of Groby was created 21 July 1603 for his direct descendant, Henry Grey (c.1547–1614).
About 1454, Sir John Grey married Elizabeth Woodville, the eldest daughter of Richard Woodville, and Jacquetta of Luxembourg.[1] They had two sons, Thomas, later Marquess of Dorset, born in 1455, and Richard, born in 1457. Richard was aged about 26 when executed on the orders of Richard III in June 1483.[2]
In 1491, his widow, by then Queen Dowager, became the co-heiress of her brother, Richard Woodville, 3rd Earl Rivers. She died a year later. [1][3]
Sir John Grey was killed in the Second Battle of St Albans in 1461, fighting for the Lancastrian cause.[1] His widow, Dame Elizabeth Grey, later secretly married Edward IV who was the successful Yorkist claimant to the throne.[1][2]
*******************
See Time Team- House of the White Queen, Season 18, Episode 11 (2011).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9_gYlBS3oM
1:25 He calls Groby an 18th century farm house, 15th century brick manor
12:35 Historian says that when Hugh de Grandmesnil was "excavated" he was 5 foot 8 inches.
[Hugh had been buried in France according to Wikipedia at: "Abbey of St. Evroult, and buried by the Abbot Roger on the south side of the Chapter House, near the tomb of Abbot Mainer."]
15:40 Looking for the "Great Hall" within the bailey
21:10 Points at existing 15th century brick tower
22:20 "High status" "posh roof" (slae);
22:55 Demolition of building ws 1480-1500.
23:50 Radar shows a series of buildings
24:50 Found medieval floor tiles consistent with a Great Hall.
25:45 Review of dowrey documents: Text mentions Margaret, wife of William De Ferrers, Knight, made 4 June 45 Edward III (i.e. 1327+45 = 1372). Must be William Ferrers (1332-1372; 3rd Baron of Groby) and wife Margaret d'Ufford (1333-1368?)
26:10 Ferrers pronounced Ferres
27:10 Says the dowery document is dated 1371
28:00 2 story high status building
28:00 Pottery find first half of 15th century; massive building complex
30:45 Big house, grander and more massive than anything they had imagined
31:30 Found the Great Hall. Auriel, bay window between wings.
32:30 Buttresses found indicating high status
32:20 "Palatial" residence
34:20 Mother-in-law, Elizabeth Ferrers Grey won't pay dower to Elizabeth Grey Woodville after her husband dies. [Wrong: Edward died in 1461 at the 2nd Battle of St. Albans. He was on the wrong side. I.e fought with Lancastrian Henry VI who lost. Edward IV won and forfeited Edward's rights which included Elizabeth Woodville's dower. She then went to live with her parents. Confronted Edward IV who thought she was beautiful and secretly married her.]
39:20 Really high end building
41:30 Pottery from old castle dates to 13th century -- suggesting that was the time of demolition before building the big house
42:40 Chapel was probably pretty spectacular
43:50 described as "realy posh, aristocratic manor house" "like a palace" "Greys [Ferrers] are doing really well"
45:00 Most buildings appear to have come into use early 1300's. Attributes building of "manor" to William de Ferrers (1272-1325), 1st Lord Ferrers.
46:00 Postulates that Thomas Grey built the new tower late 1400's and demolished old manor
46:30 built a quadrangle; stunning medieval home including Great Hall
Events
| Birth | Ca 1432 | ||||
| Death | 17 Feb 1461 | Second Battle of St Albans (Lancastrian) | |||
| Marriage | Elizabeth Woodville |
Families
| Spouse | Elizabeth Woodville (1437 - 1492) |
| Child | Thomas Grey (1451 - 1501) |
| Child | Richard Grey (1457 - 1483) |
| Father | Sir Edward Grey (1415 - 1457) |
| Mother | Elizabeth Ferrers (1419 - 1483) |
| Sibling | Margaret Grey (1438 - ) |
| Sibling | Edward Grey (1442 - 1492) |
| Sibling | Reynold Grey (1452 - 1460) |
| Sibling | Ann Grey (1456 - 1507) |