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Veronica Unknown
(Abt 1689 - Bef 20 Feb 1755)
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The following comment from Dave Rutherford was posted on the WikiTree profile of Veronica Koch. Do not reply to this e-mail. Post a comment on Dave's profile, post a follow-up comment on Veronica Koch's profile, or send Dave a private message.
Does anyone know where the Koch comes from?
The history of the Hain's Church reports that Veronica's family name was unknown: http://www.archive.org/stream/historyofstjohns00kers#page/24/mode/2up/search/veronica
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History of the Hain Family, page 5:
It is possible that George Hain, who belonged to the New York settlement, came to the Tulpehocken region after the first group had arrived there. His name first appears (as John George Hohn) in Ulster County, New York, where according to the magazine "Ye Old Ulster" there appears among the church records of the Kocherthal colony the following: "Baptized in Schoharie, June 6 1716, Johann, born February 8, child of John George and Veronica Hohn. Sponsors, Johann Cast and Commmissioner."
Could the Koch surname have come from the "Kocherthal Colony" from above? That is the only thing close to "Koch" that I have been able to find
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The Haas Family: Including Fischer, Hain, Heckert & Whetstone Families, c1630 to 1983 (Written by Marjorie Van Couwenberghe and Wilma Lucas, 1983)
Page 6 states:
George Hain and Veronica Koch were married c1708 to 1710.
The authors are my aunts, both deceased. I have no idea where they got the surname Koch. I have been using it because I found it in this source.
Thanks to the comment from Dave I will amend my records to reflect the fact that Veronica's surname is not known as stated in the Hain History.
Events
| Birth | Abt 1689 | Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany | |||
| Marriage | Bet 1708 and 1710 | John George Hain |  |  | |
| Residence (family) | 1711 | Livingston Manor, Sullivan, New York, United States - John George Hain | | ||
| Misc. (Fam) | 6 Jun 1716 | were named in the baptisim of their son Johann - John George Hain | | ||
| Residence (family) | Abt 1717 | in theTulpehocken section - Berks County, Pennsylvania, United States - John George Hain | | ||
| Misc. (Fam) | 1723 | German Migration from New York to Pennsylvania - Pennsylvania, United States - John George Hain | | ||
| Residence | 1723 | Lebanon Valley - Wernersville, Berks, Pennsylvania, United States | | ||
| Misc. | 17 Nov 1743 | named in John George Hain's will - Berks County, Pennsylvania, United States | | ||
| Misc. | Bef 8 Apr 1746 | became a widow - Wernersville, Berks, Pennsylvania, United States | | ||
| Death | Bef 20 Feb 1755 | Wernersville, Berks, Pennsylvania, United States | | | |
| Residence | Bef 16 Jul 1756 | Heidelberg Township, Berks, Pennsylvania, United States | | ||
| Will | 16 Jul 1756 | Pennsylvania, United States | | | |
| Marital Status | 16 Jul 1756 | Widow - Berks County, Pennsylvania, United States | | ||
| Probate | Bet 16 Jul 1756 and 22 Jan 1757 | Estate of Veronica Hain - Berks County, Pennsylvania, United States | | | |
| Burial | Bef 16 Jul 1756 | Hain's Church and Cemetery, Berks County, Pennsylvania, United States | | ||
| Misc. (Fam) | 1926 | had new granite marker erected - John George Hain | | ||
| Residence (family) | on land that had been acquired from the Penn's and from William Allen - John George Hain | | |||
| Alt name | Veronica Koch | | |||
| Alt name | Veronica Hain | | | ||
| Reference No | ID0433 |
Families
| Spouse | John George Hain (1689 - 1746) |
| Child | John Christian Hain ( - ) |
| Child | Anna Sabilla Hain ( - ) |
| Child | Peter Hain (1743 - 1756) |
| Child | John Adam Hain ( - 1783) |
| Child | John Frederick Hain ( - ) |
| Child | John George Hain ( - ) |
| Child | John Henry Hain ( - ) |
| Child | John Casper Hain (1724 - 1762) |
| Child | Joseph Hain ( - ) |
| Child | Elizabeth Gertrude Hain (1711 - 1768) |
Notes
Marriage
DESC Marriage recordDATE 15 MAR 2007
STAT OPEN
PRTY 1
Death
- Death Date: Before 1754 [2, pdf p 4]- Death Date: Before 20 Feb 1755 [2, pdf p 3]
- Death Date: Before 16 July 1756 [1] [2, pdf p 9]
[1] Probate Record, Hain, Veronica Koch, ID0433, 16 July 1756, (Granting of Administrators), Doc6003.pdf (U)
[2] Probate Record, Hain, Veronica, ID0433, 1768 (Bond of Administration) Doc6005.pdf (O)
Legend:
- * = Primary Source
- Source: (O) = Original, (D) = Derivative, (A) = Authored, (U) = Unknown
Will
- Died Intestate [1]- Caveat against proving will of Fronica Haines [2, pdf p 3]
- Date: 20 Feb 1755 [2, pdf p 3]
- No will attached [2, pdf p 4]
[1] Probate Record, Hain, Veronica Koch, ID0433, 16 July 1756, (Granting of Administrators), Doc6003.pdf (U)
[2] Probate Record, Hain, Veronica, ID0433, 1768 (Bond of Adminstration) Doc6005.pdf (O)
Legend:
- * = Primary Source
- Source: (O) = Original, (D) = Derivative, (A) = Authored, (U) = Unknown
Probate
- Administrators Named: 16 July 1756 [1]- Peter Hain, ID0558 [1]
- William Fisher, ID0430 [1]
- Bond of Administration Date: 16 July 1756 [2, pdf p 8, 9]
- Bond Amount: 300 Pounds [2, pdf p 9]
- Probate Inventory Due Date: 16 July 1757 [1]
- Probate Date: 1768 [2, pdf p 1, 2]
- Probate Place: Heidelberg Township, Berks County, Pennsylvania [2, pdf p 2]
[1] Probate Record, Hain, Veronica Koch, ID0433, 16 July 1756, (Granting of Administrators), Doc6003.pdf (U)
[2] Probate Record, Hain, Veronica, ID0433, 1768 (Bond of Adminstration) Doc6005.pdf (O)
Legend:
- * = Primary Source
- Source: (O) = Original, (D) = Derivative, (A) = Authored, (U) = Unknown
Alt name
I originally has Veronica's Surname as Koch until I received the following message from Dave via WikiTree:from: WikiTree
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to: Walt Robbins
date: Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 6:26 AM
subject: Comment on Koch-553 from Dave Rutherford
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The following comment from Dave Rutherford was posted on the WikiTree profile of Veronica Koch. Do not reply to this e-mail. Post a comment on Dave's profile, post a follow-up comment on Veronica Koch's profile, or send Dave a private message.
Does anyone know where the Koch comes from?
The history of the Hain's Church reports that Veronica's family name was unknown: http://www.archive.org/stream/historyofstjohns00kers#page/24/mode/2up/search/veronica
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History of the Hain Family, page 5:
It is possible that George Hain, who belonged to the New York settlement, came to the Tulpehocken region after the first group had arrived there. His name first appears (as John George Hohn) in Ulster County, New York, where according to the magazine "Ye Old Ulster" there appears among the church records of the Kocherthal colony the following: "Baptized in Schoharie, June 6 1716, Johann, born February 8, child of John George and Veronica Hohn. Sponsors, Johann Cast and Commissioner."
Could the Koch surname have come from the "Kocherthal Colony" from above? That is the only thing close to "Koch" that I have been able to find
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The Haas Family: Including Fischer, Hain, Heckert & Whetstone Families, c1630 to 1983 (Written by Marjorie Van Couwenberghe and Wilma Lucas, 1983)
Page 6 states:
George Hain and Veronica Koch were married c1708 to 1710.
The authors are my aunts, both deceased. I have no idea where they got the surname Koch. I have been using it because I found it in this source.
Thanks to the comment from Dave I will amend my records to reflect the fact that Veronica's surname is not known as stated in the Hain History.
Alt name
- Veronica Hain [2, pdf p 1, 2]- Name: Fronica Haines [1] [2, pdf p 3, 4, 9]
[1] Probate Record, Hain, Veronica Koch, ID0433, 16 July 1756, (Granting of Administrators), Doc6003.pdf (U)
[2] Probate Record, Hain, Veronica, ID0433, 1768 (Bond of Adminstration) Doc6005.pdf (O)
Legend:
- * = Primary Source
- Source: (O) = Original, (D) = Derivative, (A) = Authored, (U) = Unknown
Endnotes
1. Marjorie Van Couwenberghe [ID0381] and Wilma Lucas [ID0379], The Haas Family: Including Fischer, Hain, Heckert & Whetstone families c1630 to 1983 (December 1983). Bk3396, Doc3185.pdf, Pg 6.
2. Frances Hain Swope and Henry B Warner, compiler, History of the Hain Family: Descendants of George and Veronica Hain. Reading, PA: Reading Eagle Press, 1941 - Bk2921, page 12.
3. Frances Hain Swope and Henry B Warner, compiler, History of the Hain Family: Descendants of George and Veronica Hain. Reading, PA: Reading Eagle Press, 1941 - Bk2921, Page 5.
4. Web Page, "Tulpehocken Section" - http://www.rootsweb.com/~paberks/library/townships/EarlySettlers.html (The website this referred to no longer exists) Acc000687.
5. Morton L. Montgomery, compiler, Historical and Biographical Annals of Berks County Pennsylvania: Embracing a concise history of the County and a Genealogical and Biographical Record of Representative Families (Chicago: J.H. Beers & Co, 1909), Bk2923, vol 1, page 895.
6. Keith, Charles P, Chronicles of Pennsylvania from the English Revolution to the Peace of Aix-La-Chapelle 1688-1748, Vol. 2 (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: Patterson & White Co, 1917). Bk3391, pgs 538-541.
7. Marjorie Van Couwenberghe [ID0381] and Wilma Lucas [ID0379], The Haas Family: Including Fischer, Hain, Heckert & Whetstone families c1630 to 1983 (December 1983). Bk3396, Doc3185.pdf, Pg 6.
8. Kershner, Rev. W. J. and Adam G. Lerch. History of St. John's (Hain's) Refored Church in Lower Heidelberg Township, Berks County, Penna. Reading Pa: I. M. Beaer, Publisher, 1916. Bk2954, viewed; 8 January 2010; page 25, 26; Will of George Hen [Hain].
9. Frances Hain Swope and Henry B Warner, compiler, History of the Hain Family: Descendants of George and Veronica Hain. Reading, PA: Reading Eagle Press, 1941 - Bk2921, Page 8.
10. Marjorie Van Couwenberghe [ID0381] and Wilma Lucas [ID0379], The Haas Family: Including Fischer, Hain, Heckert & Whetstone families c1630 to 1983 (December 1983). Bk3396, Doc3185.pdf, Pg 6.
11. Frances Hain Swope and Henry B Warner, compiler, History of the Hain Family: Descendants of George and Veronica Hain. Reading, PA: Reading Eagle Press, 1941 - Bk2921, Page 8.
12. Probate, Granting of Administrators of Veronica Koch Hain, ID0433. 16 July 1756, Heidelberg Township, Berks County, Pennsylvania, Probate Record, Page 52. Obtained from papers of Wilma Haas Lucas, ID0379, 2010. Repository: RobbHaas Digital Archive, Doc6003.pdf.
13. "Pennsylvania Probate Records, 1683-1994," images, Veronica Hain, ID0433, 1768. FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8991-8RV6?i=767&wc=9PMF-6Y9%3A268499201%2C270514601&cc=1999196 : 4 June 2021), Berks > Estates 1752-1799 Grim, John-Heiser, Conrad > image 768 of 1959; county courthouses, Pennsylvania. Doc6005.pdf.
14. Probate, Granting of Administrators of Veronica Koch Hain, ID0433. 16 July 1756, Heidelberg Township, Berks County, Pennsylvania, Probate Record, Page 52. Obtained from papers of Wilma Haas Lucas, ID0379, 2010. Repository: RobbHaas Digital Archive, Doc6003.pdf.
15. Marjorie Van Couwenberghe [ID0381] and Wilma Lucas [ID0379], The Haas Family: Including Fischer, Hain, Heckert & Whetstone families c1630 to 1983 (December 1983). Bk3396, Doc3185.pdf, Pg 10.
16. Frances Hain Swope and Henry B Warner, compiler, History of the Hain Family: Descendants of George and Veronica Hain. Reading, PA: Reading Eagle Press, 1941 - Bk2921, page 8-10.
17. Probate, Granting of Administrators of Veronica Koch Hain, ID0433. 16 July 1756, Heidelberg Township, Berks County, Pennsylvania, Probate Record, Page 52. Obtained from papers of Wilma Haas Lucas, ID0379, 2010. Repository: RobbHaas Digital Archive, Doc6003.pdf.
18. "Pennsylvania Probate Records, 1683-1994," images, Veronica Hain, ID0433, 1768. FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8991-8RV6?i=767&wc=9PMF-6Y9%3A268499201%2C270514601&cc=1999196 : 4 June 2021), Berks > Estates 1752-1799 Grim, John-Heiser, Conrad > image 768 of 1959; county courthouses, Pennsylvania. Doc6005.pdf.
19. "Pennsylvania Probate Records, 1683-1994," images, Veronica Hain, ID0433, 1768. FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8991-8RV6?i=767&wc=9PMF-6Y9%3A268499201%2C270514601&cc=1999196 : 4 June 2021), Berks > Estates 1752-1799 Grim, John-Heiser, Conrad > image 768 of 1959; county courthouses, Pennsylvania. Doc6005.pdf.
20. Frances Hain Swope and Henry B Warner, compiler, History of the Hain Family: Descendants of George and Veronica Hain. Reading, PA: Reading Eagle Press, 1941 - Bk2921, Page 8.
21. Probate, Granting of Administrators of Veronica Koch Hain, ID0433. 16 July 1756, Heidelberg Township, Berks County, Pennsylvania, Probate Record, Page 52. Obtained from papers of Wilma Haas Lucas, ID0379, 2010. Repository: RobbHaas Digital Archive, Doc6003.pdf.
22. "Pennsylvania Probate Records, 1683-1994," images, Veronica Hain, ID0433, 1768. FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8991-8RV6?i=767&wc=9PMF-6Y9%3A268499201%2C270514601&cc=1999196 : 4 June 2021), Berks > Estates 1752-1799 Grim, John-Heiser, Conrad > image 768 of 1959; county courthouses, Pennsylvania. Doc6005.pdf.
23. Marjorie Van Couwenberghe [ID0381] and Wilma Lucas [ID0379], The Haas Family: Including Fischer, Hain, Heckert & Whetstone families c1630 to 1983 (December 1983). Bk3396, Doc3185.pdf, Pg 6.
24. Frances Hain Swope and Henry B Warner, compiler, History of the Hain Family: Descendants of George and Veronica Hain. Reading, PA: Reading Eagle Press, 1941 - Bk2921, Page 8.
25. Web Page, RobbHaas, Hains Church Cemetery.
26. Find a Grave Memorial, Veronica Koch Hain - Hain's Cemetery - Memorial# 15090015 - https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/15090015/veronica-hain.
27. Frances Hain Swope and Henry B Warner, compiler, History of the Hain Family: Descendants of George and Veronica Hain. Reading, PA: Reading Eagle Press, 1941 - Bk2921, Page 8.
28. Frances Hain Swope and Henry B Warner, compiler, History of the Hain Family: Descendants of George and Veronica Hain. Reading, PA: Reading Eagle Press, 1941 - Bk2921, Page 6 and 8.
29. Probate, Granting of Administrators of Veronica Koch Hain, ID0433. 16 July 1756, Heidelberg Township, Berks County, Pennsylvania, Probate Record, Page 52. Obtained from papers of Wilma Haas Lucas, ID0379, 2010. Repository: RobbHaas Digital Archive, Doc6003.pdf.
30. "Pennsylvania Probate Records, 1683-1994," images, Veronica Hain, ID0433, 1768. FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8991-8RV6?i=767&wc=9PMF-6Y9%3A268499201%2C270514601&cc=1999196 : 4 June 2021), Berks > Estates 1752-1799 Grim, John-Heiser, Conrad > image 768 of 1959; county courthouses, Pennsylvania. Doc6005.pdf.