Individual Details
William Say
(1439 - 4 Dec 1529)
== Biography ==Sir William Say, Sheriff of Somerset, Dorset, Essex, & Hertfordshire, Burgess of Plympton, Justice of the Peace for Hertfordshrie was born circa 1452 at of Broxbourne & Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England.Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 740-741.Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 418-419. ==== Marriage & Children ====:He married Genevieve Hill, daughter of John Hill, before 18 November 1472. :They had 1 child who died at birth.Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. V, p. 72.Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. V, p. 292-293. :He married, secondly, Elizabeth Fray, daughter of Sir John Fray, Chief Baron of the Exchequer and Agnes Danvers, circa 18 April 1480. They had 2 daughters. # Elizabeth, wife of Sir William Blount, 4th Lord Mountjoy # Mary, wife of Sir Henry Bourchier, Earl of Essex ==== Death ====:He left a will in 1529. :He died on 4 December 1529 and was buried at Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, with his 2 wives. :His estate was probated on 25 August 1531. ==== Property ==== ===== Sawbridgeworth Manor =====:"[[De_Say-54|Elizabeth Lady Say]] died without issue in 1399. [[Heron-610|Heron]], who was summoned to Parliament as [[Heron-610|Lord Heron]] from 1393, and is generally considered to have been styled Lord Say, (fn. 34) obtained many of his wife's estates, including Sawbridgeworth. [[Alden-2340|Maud Bosenho]], daughter of [[De_Saye-46|Elizabeth de Alden]], one of the co-heirs of [[De_Say-54|Elizabeth de Say]], quitclaimed her right in the manor to him in 1401. (fn. 35) He died seised in 1404, (fn. 36) his nephew [[Saye-43|John]], son of his brother [[Heron-613|John]], being his heir. The extent taken at his death mentions that the capital messuage was then ruinous. [[Saye-43|Sir John Heron]] died in 1420 and was succeeded by his son [[Saye-44|John]], (fn. 37) who in 1460–1 settled Sawbridgeworth on himself and his wife [[Unknown-137687|Agnes]] in tail with contingent remainder to Brian Rowcliff and other feoffees. (fn. 38) [[Saye-44|John Heron]] died in 1468 without issue. (fn. 39) A few months afterwards the feoffees conveyed the manor to [[Saye-45|Sir John Say]], who died seised of it in 1478. (fn. 40) His son [[Say-65|Sir William Say]] died in 1529, leaving two daughters, of whom [[Say-166|Mary]] wife of [[Bourchier-117|Henry Bourchier]], Earl of Essex, inherited Sawbridgeworth. (fn. 41) Their daughter and heir [[Bourchier-58|Anne]], wife of [[Parr-41|William Lord Parr]], had livery of Sawbridgeworth on her father's death in March 1539–40. (fn. 42) [[Parr-41|Lord Parr]], who was created Earl of Essex in 1543 and Marquess of Northampton in 1547, was attainted in 1553 (fn. 43) and Sawbridgeworth came to the Crown."'Parishes: Sawbridgeworth', in A History of the County of Hertford: Volume 3, ed. William Page (London, 1912), pp. 332-347 [http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/herts/vol3/pp332-347] ===== Baas Manor ===== :"Ten years later it was conveyed to [[Saye-45|John Say]] by John Edward and Joan his wife, (fn. 68) brother and sister-in-law of Thomas Gloucester. [[Saye-45|Sir John Say]] died seised of Baas in 1478 and was succeeded by his son [[Say-65|William]], (fn. 69) after whose death in 1529 it passed to his daughter [[Say-166|Mary]] and her husband [[Bourchier-117|Henry Earl of Essex]], (fn. 70) and thence to their daughter [[Bourchier-58|Anne]], the wife of [[Parr-41|William Lord Parr]], created Marquess of Northampton in 1547. (fn. 71) The marquess was attainted in 1553 and his lands forfeited. (fn. 72) Queen Mary granted the manor to the Earl of Arundel and others in 1553, to hold during pleasure, apparently to the use of Anne Marchioness of Northampton. (fn. 73) Elizabeth granted it in 1569 to Sir William Cecil, (fn. 74) who also obtained releases of title from [[Bourchier-58|Anne Parr]] (fn. 75) and other heirs of [[Say-65|Sir William Say]]. (fn. 76)"'Parishes: Broxbourne with Hoddesdon,' in A History of the County of Hertford: Volume 3, ed. William Page (London: Victoria County History, 1912), 430-440, accessed March 14, 2016, [http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/herts/vol3/pp430-440] ===== Bedwell Manor ===== :"[[Say-165|Elizabeth de Say]], Baroness Say in her own right, who had married [[Heron-610|Sir William Heron]] as her second husband, being his first wife, had died without issue in 1399, and after her death [[Heron-610|Sir William Heron]] continued to be summoned to Parliament till his death. (fn. 45) He died in 1404, having married secondly [[Boteler-175|Elizabeth Boteler]] aforesaid. (fn. 46) After his death [[Boteler-175|Elizabeth]] his widow married, as above mentioned, [[Norbury-3|John Norbury]], but she retained the title of Lady Say till her death in 1464. (fn. 47) She was married again to Sir John Montgomery at some date unknown before 1433, (fn. 48) and after 1412, when she is named as the wife of [[Norbury-3|John (not Henry) Norbury]] (fn. 49) and widow of [[Heron-610|Sir William Heron]]. (fn. 50) Her heir was her grandson John Norbury, who in 1465 received licence to enter into all possessions that came into the hands of Henry VI or Edward IV by the death of [[Norbury-3|John Norbury]] the elder, or of [[Boteler-175|Elizabeth Lady Say]] his wife. (fn. 51) In Hilary Term 1465–6 John Norbury the younger conveyed the manor to [[Saye-45|Sir John Say]], (fn. 52) who died in 1478 seised of the manors of Bedwell and Little Berkhampstead, and was succeeded by his son [[Say-65|William Say]]. (fn. 53)"'Parishes: Essendon,' in A History of the County of Hertford: Volume 3, ed. William Page (London: Victoria County History, 1912), 458-462, accessed March 15, 2016, [http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/herts/vol3/pp458-462] ===== Manor of Hooks and Pinnacles ===== :"In 1449 [[Say-168|William Say]], clerk, [[Saye-45|John Say]] and [[Cheyne-10|Lawrence Cheyne]] his [father]-in-law (fn. 233) were listed as tenants of a group of manors including Hooks. (fn. 234) [[Saye-45|Sir John Say]] died in 1478 holding Hooks and Pinnacles of the Abbot of Waltham. (fn. 235) He was succeeded by his son [[Say-65|Sir William]]. (fn. 236) In 1515 Robert Turbervyl, at the request of [[Say-65|Sir William Say]], granted this manor to [[Howard-2|Thomas Howard]], Duke of Norfolk, steward of Waltham Forest during the minority of John de Vere, Earl of Oxford. (fn. 237) [[Say-64|Dorothy]], daughter and heir of [[Say-65|Sir William Say]], brought this manor to her husband [[Blount-139|William]], Lord Mountjoy. (fn. 238) Their only daughter [[Blount-564|Gertrude]] married [[Courteney-8|Henry Courtenay]], Marquess of Exeter, in 1519, and the manor subsequently came into Exeter's possession. (fn. 239) In 1539 he was attainted and this manor was forfeit to the Crown. (fn. 240)"'Waltham Holy Cross: Introduction and manors,' in A History of the County of Essex: Volume 5, ed. W R Powell (London: Victoria County History, 1966), 151-162, accessed March 16, 2016, [http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/essex/vol5/pp151-162] == Sources ==
Events
| Birth | 1439 | Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England |  | ||
| Birth | 1452 | Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England | | ||
| Death | 4 Dec 1529 | Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England | | ||
| Alt name | William Saye | | |||
| Burial | Broxbourne, Broxbourne Borough, Hertfordshire, England | |
Families
| Father | John Say (1415 - 1478) |
| Mother | Elizabeth Cheney (1424 - 1473) |
| Sibling | Anne Say (1453 - 1478) |