Individual Details
Ranulph FitzAlan
(Abt 1359 - )
[[Category:5-Star Magna Carta Project Profiles]][[Category:Quincy-226 Descendants]][[Category:De_Vere-309 Descendants]]
}Ralph FitzAlan is in trails badged by the Magna Carta Project to surety barons Robert de Vere and Saher de Quincy.
== Biography ==Ralph de Arundel was the probable illegitimate son of [[FitzAlan-29|Richard de Arundel]], Knt., 10th Earl of Arundel, and an [[Mistress-3|unknown mistress]].Douglas Richardson. ''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'', 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. (Salt Lake City, UT: the author, 2013), vol. II, page 610, FITZ ALAN 11.i., Ralph de Arundel.Douglas Richardson. ''Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'', 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. 2nd edition. (Salt Lake City, UT: the author, 2011), [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Magna_Carta_Ancestry_A_Study_in_Colonial/8JcbV309c5UC?hl=en&gbpv=1 vol. II, pages 418-420], HOWELL 7, Ralph de Arundel.Richardson, ''Royal Ancestry'', vol. III, page 341-342. HOWELL 12, Ralph de Arundel His date and place of birth are unknown and are estimated.
He married [[Grenville-129|Juliane]] _______, presumably the daughter of William de Grenville by his wife Christian. They had one daughter:*[[FitzAlan-148|Alice]], wife of Bartholomew Collingridge
Ralph was buried with his wife in the church of Towersey, Buckinghamshire.
==Research Note==
=== Footnote on Ralph's Coat of Arms ===:The following footnote appears in ''Royal Ancestry'' vol. III, page 341 and ''Magna Carta Ancestry'' vol. II, pages 418-419:::"The coat of arms of Ralph de Arundel is found in a volume of Robert Glover’s collections (Brit. Mus, MS. Lans. 872). The coat of arms appears to have been taken from a window which was formerly found in the chapelry of the prebendal church of Towersey, Buckinghamshire, where Ralph de Arundel lies buried. These arms are those of the Earls of Arundel, they being Arundel and Warenne quarterly, placed on two flanches. According to various heraldic experts, the flanches are an indication of illegitimacy, the person so designated being the illegitimate son of a member of the house of Arundel. These same distinctive arms are also included among the quarterings claimed by Ralph de Arundel’s descendants, the Dormer family, in the 1634 Visitation of Buckinghamshire (see Philipot et al. Vis. of Buckingham 1634 & 1566 (H.S.P. 58) (1909): 40 (Dormer pedigree). The Dormers would have been quite familiar with the windows and heraldry in the chapel of the church at Towersey, as their male line Dormer forbears resided in the next door parish of Thame, Oxfordshire. As a matter of history, the arms in question (Arundel and Warenne quarterly) were only brought into being in 1347, when Richard de Arundel, Earl of Arundel (died 1376), became heir to his uncle, John de Warenne, Earl of Surrey. As such, Ralph de Arundel can only have been an child of either Earl Richard de Arundel, or one of his siblings. Reviewing the evidence, it appears best to assign Ralph de Arundel as a child of Earl Richard himself. The chronology certainly supports this placement. Also, the earl is known to have had an unhappy first marriage and to have fathered at least one other illegitimate child. One heraldic expert has claimed that the flanches on Ralph de Arundel’s arms are an indication that the illegitimate person adopted the arms of his mother, not his father. If so, then Ralph de Arundel would necessarily be the son of one of Earl Richard’s many sisters. However, the fact that Ralph bore the surname, Arundel, is good evidence that it was his father who was an Arundel, not his mother, as bastard sons in this time period usually bore the surname of their father."
== Sources ==
*[https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/PvVJ3-nBzpI/m/mjg-RTivzioJ GoogleGroups SGM] forum discussion (info about his wife as well)*Lewis, Marlyn. [https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p4809.htm#i144383 Ralph FitzAlan] entry in ''Our Royal, Titled, Noble, Commoner Ancestors'' website, citing pages from Douglas Richardson's books named above.* [http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=422787.0 RootsChat forum]
== Acknowledgements ==
=== Magna Carta Ancestry ===:} appears in ''Magna Carta Ancestry'' in a Richardson-documented trail from [[:Category:Gateway Ancestors|Gateway Ancestor]] [[Howell-151|Edward Howell]] to [[:Category:Surety Barons|Magna Carta Surety Baron]] [[De_Vere-309|Robert de Vere]] (vol. II, pages 418-426 HOWELL). This profile also appers in a trail between Edward Howell and surety [[Quincy-226|Saher de Quincy]]. Both trails were badged by the [[Project:Magna Carta|Magna Carta Project]] in 2015 and are in need of re-review. The trails are outlined in the [[Hawten-1#Magna Carta Trails|Magna Carta Trails]] section of Margaret Hawten's profile.
*'''Needs Re-review''': This profile needs re-review against the project's [[Space:Magna_Carta_Project_Checklist|checklist]] to bring it up to current project standards. ~ [[Thiessen-117|Thiessen-117]] 21:44, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
: See [[Space:Magna_Carta_Team_Base_Camp|Base Camp]] for more information about identified Magna Carta trails and their status. See the project's [[Space:Magna Carta Project Glossary|glossary]] for project-specific terms, such as a "badged trail".
}Ralph FitzAlan is in trails badged by the Magna Carta Project to surety barons Robert de Vere and Saher de Quincy.
== Biography ==Ralph de Arundel was the probable illegitimate son of [[FitzAlan-29|Richard de Arundel]], Knt., 10th Earl of Arundel, and an [[Mistress-3|unknown mistress]].Douglas Richardson. ''Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'', 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. (Salt Lake City, UT: the author, 2013), vol. II, page 610, FITZ ALAN 11.i., Ralph de Arundel.Douglas Richardson. ''Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families'', 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. 2nd edition. (Salt Lake City, UT: the author, 2011), [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Magna_Carta_Ancestry_A_Study_in_Colonial/8JcbV309c5UC?hl=en&gbpv=1 vol. II, pages 418-420], HOWELL 7, Ralph de Arundel.Richardson, ''Royal Ancestry'', vol. III, page 341-342. HOWELL 12, Ralph de Arundel His date and place of birth are unknown and are estimated.
He married [[Grenville-129|Juliane]] _______, presumably the daughter of William de Grenville by his wife Christian. They had one daughter:*[[FitzAlan-148|Alice]], wife of Bartholomew Collingridge
Ralph was buried with his wife in the church of Towersey, Buckinghamshire.
==Research Note==
=== Footnote on Ralph's Coat of Arms ===:The following footnote appears in ''Royal Ancestry'' vol. III, page 341 and ''Magna Carta Ancestry'' vol. II, pages 418-419:::"The coat of arms of Ralph de Arundel is found in a volume of Robert Glover’s collections (Brit. Mus, MS. Lans. 872). The coat of arms appears to have been taken from a window which was formerly found in the chapelry of the prebendal church of Towersey, Buckinghamshire, where Ralph de Arundel lies buried. These arms are those of the Earls of Arundel, they being Arundel and Warenne quarterly, placed on two flanches. According to various heraldic experts, the flanches are an indication of illegitimacy, the person so designated being the illegitimate son of a member of the house of Arundel. These same distinctive arms are also included among the quarterings claimed by Ralph de Arundel’s descendants, the Dormer family, in the 1634 Visitation of Buckinghamshire (see Philipot et al. Vis. of Buckingham 1634 & 1566 (H.S.P. 58) (1909): 40 (Dormer pedigree). The Dormers would have been quite familiar with the windows and heraldry in the chapel of the church at Towersey, as their male line Dormer forbears resided in the next door parish of Thame, Oxfordshire. As a matter of history, the arms in question (Arundel and Warenne quarterly) were only brought into being in 1347, when Richard de Arundel, Earl of Arundel (died 1376), became heir to his uncle, John de Warenne, Earl of Surrey. As such, Ralph de Arundel can only have been an child of either Earl Richard de Arundel, or one of his siblings. Reviewing the evidence, it appears best to assign Ralph de Arundel as a child of Earl Richard himself. The chronology certainly supports this placement. Also, the earl is known to have had an unhappy first marriage and to have fathered at least one other illegitimate child. One heraldic expert has claimed that the flanches on Ralph de Arundel’s arms are an indication that the illegitimate person adopted the arms of his mother, not his father. If so, then Ralph de Arundel would necessarily be the son of one of Earl Richard’s many sisters. However, the fact that Ralph bore the surname, Arundel, is good evidence that it was his father who was an Arundel, not his mother, as bastard sons in this time period usually bore the surname of their father."
== Sources ==
== Acknowledgements ==
=== Magna Carta Ancestry ===:} appears in ''Magna Carta Ancestry'' in a Richardson-documented trail from [[:Category:Gateway Ancestors|Gateway Ancestor]] [[Howell-151|Edward Howell]] to [[:Category:Surety Barons|Magna Carta Surety Baron]] [[De_Vere-309|Robert de Vere]] (vol. II, pages 418-426 HOWELL). This profile also appers in a trail between Edward Howell and surety [[Quincy-226|Saher de Quincy]]. Both trails were badged by the [[Project:Magna Carta|Magna Carta Project]] in 2015 and are in need of re-review. The trails are outlined in the [[Hawten-1#Magna Carta Trails|Magna Carta Trails]] section of Margaret Hawten's profile.
*'''Needs Re-review''': This profile needs re-review against the project's [[Space:Magna_Carta_Project_Checklist|checklist]] to bring it up to current project standards. ~ [[Thiessen-117|Thiessen-117]] 21:44, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
: See [[Space:Magna_Carta_Team_Base_Camp|Base Camp]] for more information about identified Magna Carta trails and their status. See the project's [[Space:Magna Carta Project Glossary|glossary]] for project-specific terms, such as a "badged trail".
Events
| Birth | Abt 1359 | England | |||
| Death | England | ||||
| Reference No | 1225572 | ||||
| Reference No | 1248433 | ||||
| Reference No | 60 |
Families
| Father | Richard FitzAlan (1306 - 1376) |
| Mother | Unknown Mistress (1315 - ) |
| Sibling | Eleanor FitzAlan (1332 - 1356) |