Individual Details

Marriage

Notes for Mary Cave:
"a tall, redheaded woman." (Milner Echoles in his 1850 history)

More About John Echols and Mary Cave:
Marriage: 1688, Essex County, Virginia (Source: Echols, Milner, History of the Echols Family, (Written by Milner Echols in 1850 at approximately age 78..)



There must be tens of thousands and probably hundreds of thousands of people who descend from John Echols who married Mary Cave. And everywhere you look on the Internet, including many nicely designed websites, we have recorded that this Mary Cave was the daughter of John Cave and Elizabeth Travers, who herself was the daughter of Giles Travers and Ann Waugh.

I accept the very very strong possibility that John Echols wife Mary was a Cave, based on their g-grandson Milner Echols's records as well as the many early Cave - Echols connections which he would not have known about.

However, Milner also states Mary was the daughter of John Cave. This may be true, (or may possibly not be, a very early David Cave seems another possibility). Even if John Cave is Mary's father, however, it can't be the same John Cave who married Elizabeth Travers!

Why? Many reasons, but a clear one is this. Mary (Cave) Echols birth date is not known, but she started having children in the late 1690's. So she was born probably ca 1670 maybe as late as 1680. Some records estimate 1674.

Well, Elizabeth Travers's father, Giles Travers, was born ca 1662 proven by various records. So can someone explain to me how Giles could have had a grandaughter Mary Cave who was born when he was twelve years old?

My personal opinion is that John Cave who married Elizabeth Travers, was the nephew or possibly even grand nephew of Mary Cave Echols. He could NOT have been her father.

Please don't take this posting as confrontational. However it would be a great service if those many people who have posted on their webpages and elsewhere, the incorrect data that Mary Cave Echols' s parents were John Cave and Elizabeth Travers, would remove that incorrect data, and even contact other descendants they have (I realize unwittingly and with no malice) passed this mistake on to.

Land

Contains a land patent from Governor Francis Nicholson to Samuel Cradock, John Cave, John Eckholls, and William Glover for 1620 acres of land on the branches of Tuckahow Swamp in King an Queen & Essex counties.

Death

John Echols was probably born in New Kent, New Kent, Virginia, the son of an immigrant father from England. He married Mary Cave about 1683 in Virginia and died in 1712 in Caroline County or Lunenburg County, Virginia.

Note

A copy of an application for membership in Colonial Dames of
the Seventeenth Century by Sallie Ella Baker Rusk of Woodstock Georgia
dated 25 August, 1986. Her application was accepted. Her line was John Echols and Mary Cave;
Richard Echols and Catherine Evans; James Echols and Elizabeth (Milner (Palmer; Milner Echols and Susannah Sansom; Rober Milner Echols and Mary "Polly" Melton; Eliza Jane Echols and Joel Cooper Baker; Samuel Walter Baker and Sallie Emlie McGarrah. Her National No. is 23709.
The application lists the children of John Echols and Mary Cave as
John Echols, Abraham Echols married Sarah (Hubbard) Tamer, William Echols
m. Sarah, Joseph, never married, Richard Echols married Catherine Evans,
Eleanor Echols married Nicholas Gillintine, Elizabeth Echols m. William ?
Murphy and Ann Echols m. Marachbanks ?.
Ann did marry George Marchbanks who was transported from England to
Virginia as a Jacobite prisoner who took part of the rebellion in
Scotland in 1716.

From Cavaliers & Pioneers

vol 2 p 287

JOHN ECKHOLLS & WILLIAM MORRIS, 350 acs., New Kent Co., St. Stephen's Par., 20 Apr. 1685, P. 436. Behind land formerly of Mr. Giles Moody; by Barrow's old howse, &c. Trans. of 7 pers.*

vol 2 p 320

JOHN ECKHOLLS, 321 acs., New Kent Co., on N. side of Mattapony Riv.,
23 Apr. 1688, p. 635. Beg. by Capt. William Smyth's Landing path; along Moody's lyne; to the White Oake Sw; to John Joy by an Indian path; by John Dunkley, &c. Trans. of 7 pers: Samuell Randoll, Jo hn London, John Courteney, Thomas Gardener, William Smithson, Deborah Marshall, Daniell Newman.

vol 2 p 328

JAMES TAYLER, 350 acs., New Kent Co., in St. Stephen's Par; 20 Oct. 1688, P. 683. Behind land formerly of Mr. Giles Moody; by Barrow's old house, &c. Granted to John Eckolls & Wm. Morris, 20 Apr. 16 85, deserted, & now granted by order, &c.. Trans. of 7 pers: John Jones, Wm. Kitto, Jeffrey James, Cadwalader Hackle, Anne Eden, EIiza. Foster, Jno. Charles.

vol 3 p 75

SAMUELL CRADOCK, J0HN CAVE, JOHN ECKHOLLS & WILLIAM GLOVER, 1620 acs., in K. & Q. & Essex Counties; on brs. of Tuckahoe Sw., in the freshes of Mattapony River, 23 Oct. 1703, p. 552. Beg. by E. side o f Potobago Path; to E. side of Tuckahoe Bever Dam; by the old path. Trans. of 33 pers: Hugh Williams, Eliz. Mask, Eliz. Dean, Wm. Whitton, Samuel Carter, John Page, Isaac Sanders, Wm. Haynes, Ric hd. Summers, Nicolas Neal, Tho, Oakley, Ralph Keeling, John Royley, Robt. Blake, Tho. Marlers, Nich. Martin, James Waly, Wm. Kite, Mary Kite, Mary Jones, Margt. Upton, Jon. Babe, Tho. Lyars, Jos eph Gregory, Tho. Essex, Joseph Arch , Wm. Maddocks, Fra. Bentley, Richd. Streeter, Robt. Marwood, Hugh Davis, Richd. Hill, Richd. Burton.

JOHN CAVE & JOHN ECKOLLS, 600 acs., K. & Q. Co., in St. Stephen's Par; in the freshes of Mattapony River; beg. at Richards" & Cave's land; to E. side of Potobago Path; 23 Oct. 1703, p. 554. Trans o f 12 pers: Daniell Due (or Doe), Peter Maryon, Hugh Hillion, Margarett Wingall, John Morgain, Rowld. Watteny, Mary Glover, Edward Clegg, Peter Baker, Wm. Leigh, John Right, Tho. Dicks.

vol 3 p 212

WILLIAM HALL, of Glocester Co; 1080 acs. (N. L.), K. & Q. Co. & Essex Co; 11 July 1719, p. 426. Beg. at Stephen Lankford (Langford), on W. side of Tuckahoe Sw; adj. William Cradock, John Cave, Joh n Eckols & William Glover; land sd. Hall sold to John Smith, Thomas Aplin & John Smith; Col. Goldman's line; Col. Goodrich & Mr. Aubrey; on N. side of the Sadle Branch; 11 July 1719, p. 426. Imp . of 22 pers: Jervis Blundall, Trehemiah Tolarton, John Brown, Abel Duckwith, Susanna Reaves, Alice Finier, David Wilson, Robert Smith, John Thomas, Dorby Bohawn, Dennis Mackarty, Darby Dun, James Smi th, Jane Thompson, Samuel Smith, Robert Williams, Thomas Turner.

vol 3 p 217

ROBERT BEVERLEY & THOMAS JONES, Gentlemen, 15,000 acs. (N.L.), in Essex Co. & K. & Q. Co., 20 Feb. 1719, p. 455. Beg. by Rappa. River, cor. of patent to James Harrison, John Bowzee & the 4 Orphans o f George Motts, dated 29 Nov. 1674; crossing Warner's River; on John Cave's land; on line of the Governor's land; to br. of the Wilderness Run; down the Rapidanna River; excepting certain tracts alrea dy granted within the bounds, which are declared to be no part of sd. 15,000 acs. hereby intended to be granted, &c. 75 Lbs., money.